I'm going deer hunting this year! Woo hoo!

[Archae]

My sister and BIL invited me, they'll lend me a 30 odd-six they have, no scope on it so if I actually get one it'll be a miracle.
(I'm such a lousy shot I can't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside.) :-)

I love venison, and the best part is being out in the crisp morning air, just enjoying nature at it's finest.

[ropi]

1. NRA!

Viva Ted Nuget...(is that how you spell his name)?

[Archae]

15. The NRA can shove a 12-gauge up their asses.

And pull the trigger.

The NRA doesn't represent hunters, they represent assualt rifle makers.

[realisticphish]

2. i love venison

i dont hunt, but i love a good deer steak. anyway, good luck, though a REAL hunter would use black powder, or a bow...:)


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[4morewars]

3. It's a 30- AUGHT six

as in 30-06

[Lorien]

4. That's digusting

sorry, I thought you were and animal lover, not a pleasure killer. Ugh.

[Abelman]

5. He's eating it

He's not just killing it for fun.

[Archae]

10. "Pleasure killer?"

I kill (if I can) to help thin the WAYYY overpopulated herds of deer, and because I like the meat.

Got any more PETA bullshit to spout?

[Rabrrrrrr]

19. blah blah blah PETA bullshit blah blah blah murder blah blah

Unless you're vegetarian, you have no right or authority to say that.

And even if you are a vegetarian, then you need to pull your head out of your ass and realize that hunting is not about "pleasure killing" and "animal hating". Sheesh.

[Archae]

21. Yeah right.

Like I said to another, how will YOU deal with the deer overpopulation?

[Pert_UK]

28. Maybe by sending out properly equipped hunters who can shoot?

Just a suggestion.

[LibLover]

34. One of my bosses is a hunter

He says the gun described is a .30-06 (ought six) It's apparently more than enough for deer, and can be used on animals much larger if you use the "right bullet". I was told the "06" part is the year it was made or the year that the military accepted it for use in their guns.

It would be better if the hunter knows how to shoot. If you're going to kill an animal you should probably be good enough to do it quickly.

[Pert_UK]

38. I was thinking about the lack of scope, more than the gun....

No scope, unfamiliar gun, poor marksman...

The perfect recipe for a responisble hunt?

Mais non.....

[flvegan]

39. I'm a vegan, and I support much of what PETA does

Though I don't agree with hunting, in any way, the fact that the hunter will consume his kill makes it less reprehensible in my eyes.

However, hunting, as you say is oftentimes about pleasure killing and animal hating (cough...Nugent...cough). Killing an animal for a trophy is pleasure killing. Canned hunts (which most real hunters abhor) are about pleasure killing. And yes, my head is well out of my ass, thanks.

[Abelman]

47. Wow

That was a nice statement.

[TX-RAT]

31. Please define pleasure killer.

[Redneck Socialist]

6. Good luck

Let us know how you do.

[mr blur]

7. "just enjoying nature at its finest"?

And then blowing its fucking head off? Very cool.

[Archae]

8. You have the slightest clue as to REAL deer hunting?

Here in WI, (like many other states,) the deer population has exploded, thanks to their natural predators being killed off.

As a result, the numbers of deer clobbered by cars increases each year, and deer keep getting into peoples yards and gardens, ruining their yards, eating up the gardens they work so hard on, etc.
Not to mention their droppings spread disease to peoples' kids.

Also, lyme disease is spread mainly by deer ticks, my older sister is still afflicted by it.

The only way to solve these problems is to thin the herds by REGULATED legal hunting.

Try getting your views on nature from Animal Planet and not Disney's "Bambi," and PETA can shove it.

[mr blur]

9. Yeah, yeah, heard it all before

We're just doing our duty to the world by killing stuff, blah blah

[Archae]

11. So how would YOU deal with the overpopulation of deer?

Wish them away?

[RebelOne]

25. It is not so much an overpopulation of deer,

but humans are encroaching on their habitat, so they have nowhere else to go but to people's back yards and devour the landscaping. Sorry I don't buy that old excuse for hunting that you are controlling the overpopulation. There are contraceptives available for deer, but the DNR won't go for it, as they want to keep the hunters happy.

[EstimatedProphet]

27. Encroaching on their habitat?!?

The biggest problem in wildlife management today is deer breeding in urban environments-not because they are forced to live there because of urbanization, but because they LIKE it there, and thrive in the suburbs. Do you have any idea how ridiculous it would be to try and give contraceptives to wild deer populations? Do you even have any idea how difficult it is to catch just one deer to do that, out of the hundreds of thousands there are in any state in the midwest?

[flvegan]

40. Like it there?

That's gotta be the most...no, no, no. Not gonna do it. Can you back that claim up?

[TX-RAT]

42. Please finish your comment. Should be interesting.

[EstimatedProphet]

43. Oh yeah, I can back it up

http://www.uwsp.edu/stuorg/pointer/2003/10/02/deer.html
http://www.strictlybowhunting.com/Anov01issue/urbandeercontrol.htm
http://fwp.state.mt.us/mtoutdoors/HTML/Articles/2004/UrbanWildlife.htm
for starters...
I am not saying that urban/suburban development isn't encroaching on deer habitat. Of course it is. My point is that, after the habitat has all been turned to suburbs, the deer still hang around and actually thrive.
Deer typically prefer "edge" habitat-where fields meet woods, or near ponds, or similar places. It's very diverse habitat, and has in many cases a lot of food and cover for them. What we are finding out now is that suburban areas make very good edge habitat too. a lot of people in the suburbs like to have land bordering woods, for example, and also have gardens filled with plants that would have been considered exotic. So, deer find all the edge they need right there, and the end result is a viable suburban deer population, and all the negative things that go with it, such as damage to people's houses, lawns, cars, etc.
There's really only 2 solutions to this: 1) no more suburban development, and 2) control the suburban deer populations. I won't argue that #1 wouldn't be nice-I'd personally like to see it, but is it really going to happen?

[EstimatedProphet]

44. And let me apologize after reading my original post

I realize my wording was really poor, and I apologize for that. I haven't been very focused since yesterday morning...
I shouldn't have tried to state that approaching urbanization isn't the problem. I should have instead stated that it's only part of the problem. It's much more complex than deer simply being forced into urbanized areas, which is unfortunately how it is represented in the media all too often.

[NickB79]

46. Do you have some idea of what contraceptives cost?

From what I've read, between $300-$1000 PER DEER for dart-administered contraceptives. Then, you have to redart them on an annual basis, so this means BILLIONS would have to be spent annually on deer contraception. Where would the money come from to pay for this program?

Deer hunting, on the other hand, GENERATES billions in revenue to businesses that cater to hunters, provides food for the hunters, and most states have programs where hunters can donate the meat to food shelters. Hunters get extra deer tags, so long as the meat goes to feed the poor and homeless.

And BTW, yes, deer LOVE the suburbs. No predators (other than the occassional SUV), plenty of gardens and shrubbery for food, snow removal in winter to provide easier routes to move around. What is there that deer WOULDN'T like about suburban life?

[Twillig]

33. Convert the deer to Christ!

"Meat is Murder! Repent ye sinners!"

[TheMightyFavog]

24. I've seen a deer dying of starvation....

My dad was a warden for the DNR during deer season. (Many DNR fire rangers who are qualified are asked to be wardens during deer season because of the serious warden shortage in this state.) It couldn't even bring up the energy to simply eat, much less get out of the yard that it was found in. This is the face of deer overpopulation.

I may never be able to trust myself with a gun again due to a nervous breakdown I had, but Damn, Archae, if you'd be so kind enough as to send me some venison Jerky, you'd make this UWSP student really happy!

[U2Shark]

12. Good luck!

[Archae]

13. Thanks, I'll need it.

Like I said, I'm a lousy shot.

[Squatch]

36. Then practice A LOT...

You need to make sure that your bullet will bring down a deer and not wound it.

You need to turn that "lousy shot" into "I hit what I am for all the time."

[SemiCharmedQuark]

14. Hey, Im a vegetarian and I've supported PETA in their work to get McDonald

and Wendy's to make the slaughter less painful for animals. But if he's going to eat it anyway, what the hell does it matter who kills it? At least the animal that is going to die lived a free life before it died. I would rather everyone hunted for food than buy some meat from the freezer that belongs to a cow kept in horribly cramped conditions and had hormones shoved down it's throat.

The vegetarian lifestyle isn't for everyone. I choose it, but my husband loves meat and I accept that. To try and force my views on him would be a Republican thing.


Good hunting, Archae.

[Archae]

16. Thanks.

You realize though, your stance is contrary to the "leadership" at PETA.

Shit. They want to outlaw PETS!

[SemiCharmedQuark]

17. There are different degrees of leadership there.

They do do some good things, such as getting McDonalds to have more humane slaughter methods. However, yeah, some people of the group are pretty out there...no pets..."companion animals" etc.

[Archae]

18. Their founder and head guy

Has the more militant views, I saw him saying this crap.

[flvegan]

37. Who? Alex Pacheco?

He's been gone a while. Ingrid Newkirk is in charge (orig. co-founder with Pacheco).

[Rabrrrrrr]

20. A nicely reasoned response! Thank you!

That's how I describe hunting versus farming animals, too. More healthy to eat the wild food, too, because it hasn't been loaded up on antibiotics, hormones, and force fed, and lived in cramped quarters.

Though at least in Wisconsin and in the west, the animal farmers don't have their animals in cramped conditions. (cept maybe chickens and turkeys).

I especially love your line that to try to force your views on your husband would be a Republican thing.

I wish the people who think that others hunt just because they love watching blood spraying and that they get erections from it would try to open their minds a bit more, and not close it right up like a freeper.

[Archae]

22. Especially the factory pig farms.

I've been past "regular" pig farms, and the smell is horrible.

To live anywhere NEAR one of those factory pig farms that warehous thousands of pigs, would infuriate me.

[flvegan]

41. Just one more reason

To not eat meat. An environmental disaster to every community they share acreage with.

Ahhhhhhhh, but who cares, cuz shit, man...bacon tastes good.

[Dukakis88]

23. I hope Karl Rove and Karen Hughes are out there in their hunting costumes.

Lots of room for accidents.

[Pert_UK]

26. I have no problem with hunting but I think you're an idiot.....

You're going out hunting, despite admitting that you have inadequate equipment and poor marksmanship skills......

"Hey everyone, I'm going out driving in a car with no steering and I never learned to drive!".

As I say, I have no problem with people who hunt, or with eating venison, but nobody should be hunting unless they have a decent chance of making a clean kill. Sounds to me like you're more likely to wound an animal and leave it to die slowly than make a kill and get to eat it.

[TX-RAT]

29. Have to agree with Pert_UK on this one.

Please go to the range and practice at the ranges you intend to hunt. By not using a scope, your really putting yourself at disadvantage. The worst thing that can happen in the field, is to loss an animal because of a poorly placed shot.
Please practice.
Good luck.

[Pert_UK]

30. Wow! Maybe Bush is a uniter after all!

:evilgrin:

Who'd a thunk it?

:toast:

P.

[TheMightyFavog]

32. Here's a scope for a little under 60 bucks

http://www.opticsplanet.net/tasco-15-45x32-worldclass.html

Order it now, get someone who knows what they are doing install it, get it sighted in before you go out.

[Archae]

45. I plan on.

Hopefully in the next couple weeks Randy can teach me how to shoot better, so I can go from "lousy," to "reasonably accurate."

[madrchsod]

35. you are a brave soul posting this.....

i saw a bambi last night along side of the road -dead- must have been one of those "hunter cars" the nra supports. good luck! nothing better than bambi back ribs slow cooked with some herbs and spices covered with a light bambi gravy-now that`s good eat`n....