For GLBT members. Do you feel you have equal rights with heterosexuals?

[freetobegay]

[terrya]

1. Fuck, NO.

ENDA STILL hasn't passed, so we can be fired because we're gay (who ever heard of a heterosexual getting fired because of being heterosexual). We can't serve openly in the military (as if anyone would want to, but that's just me). Gay and lesbian couples can't legally adopt (hello, FLORIDA)....

AND...we still can't get legally married.

Nope, freetobegay...I don't feel I have equal rights with heterosexuals.

[HEyHEY]

2. WHo gave you a speaking pass?

;-)

Fear not Terry, those right sshall come.

[terrya]

8. HEyHEY, I'm happy for my gay Canadian DU'er friends.

because gay marriage is just about there (of course, with Ralph Klein, it will be sometime around the time when hell freezes over...)

But you guys are light years ahead of us. We'll get there....

[freetobegay]

5. Thats my point

But people keep telling me the party needs come first. Fuck party needs. I want my rights!

[Misunderestimator]

7. Exactly why I argued with people who said that we should lay back

and concentrate on more important issues... Now we're just one step closer to being criminals in our own country.

[VelmaD]

11. What you said

I'm not gay but I feel the same way about all the blame being heaped on women because of the abortion issue today. Every time someone says to wait our turn and put the party first you can guaran-damn-tee they aren't the one who will be putting THEIR rights on hold.

[Misunderestimator]

23. Exactly the same thing... that peeved me too.

[queerart]

63. You Said It My Friend....... n/t

[xchrom]

3. i even have a significant other

in a straight relationship.
even he doesn't get it -- there is no real equality between us.
and it's not just the law -- it's the culture we live in.
it doesn't get me down -- just what i've lived with for a long time.

[Misunderestimator]

4. Well, um.... nope

not by a long stretch... but that's ok, cause the bible tells us so. Abominations should have rights?

[GingerSnaps]

6. Are you having a bad day?

What gives today and why are you trying to separate us? Being gay isn't a political view it is a choice of who you want to have as a partner.

I would be hurt if my gay friends decided to push me away because I choose to be with a partner of the opposite sex. :cry:

Why do you ask this type of question? Everyone is equal in my life no matter who they choose as a partner or what ethnic background they come from.

Separation is something that the Christians have done since the crusades. We need to stick with each other and treat each other as equals.

I have been told by others that I care too much about people. I dislike divisiveness in any form. :grr:

[Misunderestimator]

9. What?!? Is this a joke? He's asking this question because we DO NOT

have the same rights as heterosexuals... we are NOT equal, and the majority of people in 11 states have made it LAW this week that we are not to be treated equally.

I think you have WAY misinterpreted this thread.

[GingerSnaps]

18. That is why I would prefer to be part of the group

I don't want to be divided any more because we have enough hate in this asshole country that we live in.

I think that the Democratic/Liberal Gay community needs a group like the Log Cabin Rethugs have. That is needed and it should already be in place. But telling me that I can't be a part of my friends political life hurts my feelings real bad.

Start up a group like the Log Cab Rethugs but don't exclude family and friends. It hurts!

[Misunderestimator]

21. "Do you feel you have equal rights with heterosexuals?" Was the q.

Where are you getting anything else out of this thread? He was asking GLBT people if they felt that they had equal rights with other Americans. AND WE DO NOT.

Maybe I missed something... Who said that you couldn't be part of our group, not that I would imagine you would really want to be if it meant you'd have to give up 1,000+ rights you currently have as a heterosexual.

[GingerSnaps]

27. I am sorry

I missed something I am hurt because I feel excluded from a world that I don't fit into at all.

I felt like dying on Tuesday and I didn't have anyone to talk to. Why? Because my ex's group of friends have excluded me because of him because he came out of the closet and I miss them all terribly.

[Misunderestimator]

29. Ok, then I understand... I'm sorry that your ex excluded you, but

no one here is doing that. Here we are commiserating with eachother in the fact that a good majority of Americans have decided that we don't deserve equal treatment or protection. I know that you believe that we should have the same rights as you, so no one is excluding you here.

I also know that it has to be very difficult what you are going through. Things will get better for you. :hug:

[GingerSnaps]

34. He lost his job yesterday

I was asking about a bad day because it must be very difficult when you can't do anything about being fired over something that you didn't deserve to be fired over.

I am having a horrible day as well. I miss my friends and on Tuesday I had no one to talk to because my ex took them with him because they are his friends. I didn't want to live any longer because of the election and what happened to me. It hurts so bad to be divided by a fascists group of rethugs that cannot accept people because they think that they are so much better but we both know they are not don't we. :hug:

[Misunderestimator]

39. Let me just point out that the second sentence you posted is:

"Being gay isn't a political view it is a choice of who you want to have as a partner." If you thought you would not get negative reactions for that, think again. First, it IS a political thing... our government has made it such. Just like being black is a political thing, or being a woman is a political thing. Second, it is NOT a choice, so you objecting to someone objecting to you saying that below is pretty odd.

Think about what you say before you say it is my advice.

[GingerSnaps]

47. Where is that at because I didn't mean that

I am sure my message didn't state that it's a choice in lifestyle because that is not my belief. I made a mistake with that sentence because that has never been my views.

[Misunderestimator]

51. When I make a mistake and others react to it, and point it out...

usually I apologize for having gone off. You can't seem to understand that your post merited the reactions it got.

[GingerSnaps]

57. I am sorry

I meant "choice" in by picking one person over the other person and not "choice" meaning that it's a choice to be gay.

[freetobegay]

10. You just don't get it do you.

My sexuality is not a choice! That makes my partner not a choice! But for someone who has all the rights affored to him since birth wouldn't understand.

[xchrom]

16. i have this fight frequently with str8 friends

who think they're totally into the gay thing.
they love us -- but they don't get level of hate and misunderstanding there is out there.

[freetobegay]

22. Amen brother!

[GingerSnaps]

30. What don't I get?

Did I ever say that it was a choice? Find one single message thread that I have said that it's a choice because I know better then that.

I asked you if you were having a bad day because you lost your job yesterday on top of everything.

You live in a state that you can't sue over your rights and you have a case against your employer but Jeb is over the legal system where you are at.

I am with you and I am not knocking you on your lifestyle. I just don't want to be separated from anyone. We are being divided down the middle the way it is so how can we call be excluding each other from each other life's. That is what hurts more then anything.

Get a group together like the Log Cabin's have and allow your family and friends to contribute to it. :hug:

[Misunderestimator]

31. Please relax... you did misinterpret the thread...

you are reacting because for some reason you thought you were being excluded but you aren't. You didn't just ask him if he was having a bad day because he lost his job, you insinuated that someone was excluding you from something, and he and I both interpreted your post to mean that you didn't think that there was any issue here with equality. Just because YOU agree that we should be equal does not mean that we don't have an issue with equality in this country. You DO realize that 11 states just passed amendments outlawing gay marriage, don't you?

[GingerSnaps]

42. I believe that you do have an issue with equality

You should be able to get married and have rights and a sexual preference shouldn't come into play.

They want to make sure that a group of people that they think are different then them should be excluded when you are no different then anyone else.

The bureaucrats don't want to give gays rights because it would mean you would be able to have insurance benefits and collect social security like a widow or widower would do if their partner died.

Right wingers need a group of people that they can take their rights away from.

I am ashamed of the ones in our party that voted to outlaw gay marriage.

What kind of harm would come to them if gays could get married. What is it any of their business anyways. It shouldn't be someone else's choice should it? It should be allowed and it's none of their gd business.

[terrya]

13. Why do people persist in thinking we CHOOSE to be gay?

It's not like deciding what we're going to wear, for fuck's sake.

I get thoroughly pissed when I read the words "choice" or "sexual preference" in conjunction with gay and lesbian folks. It cannot be changed...which is why these "ex-gay" groups are such a desperately, sick, cruel joke on gay people who are genuinely conflicted about their sexual orientation.

[Bluebear]

15. "Preference" is for peanut butter

Choosy mothers choose JIF. I HATE the phrase 'sexual preference'!

[GingerSnaps]

25. Who said that it was a choice?

It's not a choice is it? I have two uncles that are gay and an ex boyfriend that came out a few weeks back and by no means do I think that it's a choice. My uncles grew up in the south and they were almost beat to death when they were young. I think that they had it very hard in the 50's in the south. Both of them were sent to the north to live so that they wouldn't be killed. So, if you think that they picked the lifestyle so that they could come one inch from dying then you are wrong. It's not a choice at all it's something that is part of your life when you are born.

I also have something that I can't talk about that deals with my Mom that was in her past when she was alive and I live with that everyday of my life. It is so hurtful that when I hear about being excluded it makes me want to cry.

I'm sorry this has brought back so many things in my life that it's very hard to tell people why I feel a certain way and why my views are the way they are.

[Misunderestimator]

40. You said it was a choice.

Go back and read your own post.

[GingerSnaps]

44. Where?

Because I never have believed that it was a choice. Can you provide me a with a link to the thread so that I can see it.

[Misunderestimator]

49. OMG ... It was your second sentence... this will be my third time to point

it out: "Being gay isn't a political view it is a choice of who you want to have as a partner."

It is in the post above. Post #6

But here, let me make it easier for you and provide a link to your own post in this very thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=1942162&mesg_id=1942235&page=

[GingerSnaps]

50. Then it was a mistake

Because that is not what I meant. A choice by who you pick to date and not a sexual choice. Read the rest of my messages I don't feel that way and I am sorry it's a mistake that I made in that sentence but it's not the way that I feel.

Sorry if you read my messages you will know that it now how I feel.

[kayell]

33. Are you pouting because we didn't invite you to the party? The one we're

going to be holding over at Bergen-Belsen II? Should be a real blast. Do you get this way when blacks you know talk about the racism they face?

[Djinn]

maybe I didn't get your point but

"Being gay isn't a political view it is a choice of who you want to have as a partner."

the INDIVIDUAL you date is a choice of who you want to have as a partner - that person's gender isn't. Did you make a "choice" to be attracted to members of the opposite sex? or was it something that just was as it was.

And yes while everyone SHOULD be equal regardless of gender etc - the point is that they are not.

[GingerSnaps]

56. I am sorry I made a mistake in my message

I meant choice in who you choose to date and it doesn't mean that you have a choice and that you are picking someone of the same sex because it's a "choice".

Read my messages I worded that sentence the wrong way. I should have read it before posting it.

If I choose to date one person or the other it shouldn't have anything to do with my political views or my rights.

By no means did I mean that it's a choice of a lifestyle and that it is not part of you when you are born.


Sorry

[queerart]

64. I Would Only Ask.......

and I know I will be flamed......

But when did you choose to be straight?

It's really not quiet as simple as that.......

I can't imagine anyone choosing to be "deaminized" for life from all sectors as a fun time..... :-)

[sundog]

12. nope -- and I feel especially hated this week

but it's also a good barometer of reality & the tide we have to swim against

[Biased Liberal Media]

14. I'm so sorry so many of you are having to deal with this

But be reassured- there are many of us who are not going to lie down and plan on fighting this!!!!

[sundog]

17. thanks:)

:hi:

[Bluebear]

20. Thank you. When Bush says he plans to USE his "political capital"

.....I shudder. Literally.

[freetobegay]

24. Thanks!

[kayell]

37. Thank you.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

19. since i am bi...

i will tell you this much...

half of me has many more rights than the other half

[freetobegay]

26. I refuse to believe that a GLBT member voted yes

Just goes to show that someone here thinks this is a game & funny. You could not have proved my point more. Thanks for your help.

[kayell]

28. Maybe they live in Canada or the Netherlands

but your right that it is probably a sick freep joke.

[sans qualia]

32. Not to nitpick, but

some of us are heterosexuals. Anyway... um, no.

[kayell]

36. self delete

[sans qualia]

38. Pardon me

I just assumed the original poster tacked the "T" onto the end of GLBT for a reason. I am a GLBT member, but I'm also a heterosexual. But his meaning was clear, so I voted no, obviously. Calm down.

[kayell]

41. self delete

[Misunderestimator]

43. I think we're all on edge... quid said "no"

She was just pointing out that you were comparing GLBT rights to heterosexual rights, while she is a heterosexual transsexual.

[kayell]

46. You're right, I am very on edge

off to delete my post.

[Misunderestimator]

53. Totally understandable... I'm extremely on edge as well.

:hug:

[sans qualia]

45. Of course not

which is why I voted no, like I said. I was just pointing out that "heterosexual" is a label that applies to some of us in the GLBT community. I get annoyed when people don't think about this stuff, that's all. I wasn't trying to offend anyone.

[kayell]

48. You're right. I'm sorry, I'm overreacting to everything today, and seeing

bad guys where there aren't. Sorry again.

[sans qualia]

52. No worries, love

I'm kinda crazy today too, I should've made my original post more clear. God, I hope for their sake nobody goes and starts saying, um, certain things about Ann Coulter today... ahem. O8)

[Chovexani]

35. Of course not. (nt)

[Politicub]

54. Of course not

But my partner and I just celebrated our 10th anniversary on Sunday!

:bounce:

[arcane1]

55. who the hell voted 'yes'?

:shrug:

[Liberal Veteran]

58. Took the words right off my keyboard.....

LOL

[OneBlueSky]

59. that's rather self-evident . . .

of course not . . . want a list? . . .

[bigwillq]

60. No and after this election

I feel like I've been shunned by the nation.

Thank Goodness for DU or I would really lose my sanity.

[Misunderestimator]

61. I feel the same way, bigwillq

:hug:

[bigwillq]

62. Let's go find an island

and brings all of our gays and lesbian, transgender, transsexual friends with us and just party our asses off!


Nice straight people can come to b/c we don't want to be like the repukes and exclude anyone!

[donheld]

65. whoever voted yes

is either stupid, naive, or lying.