I just had a confrontation with the U.S. Army

[Goathead]

I just came back from hiking in Hawaii Volcanoes N.P. It was awesome, I was able to forget about the outside world for a little while. On the drive home I am looking in my rear view mirror when I notice these two U.S Army Blackhawk helicopters tailing me very low. It is not a paranoia thing, they often follow the highways when they are doing their training exercises. Anyway they were super low and passed me to my left a few hundred feet off the ground. They were very low! I flipped them the bird as they passed. Not a casual flip but a two minute long angry fist type bird flipping with the up yours arm motion thrown in. I know they saw me because I could clearly see the pilots unshaven face as they flew by. Damn that felt good! My one man anti-war movement has begun!

[Rabrrrrrr]

1. Excellent!!

Though I'm not really sure why you felt the need to do it, I bet it felt good. :-)

Aloha, friend!!

:hi:

(Rabrrrrrr <--- Manoa Valley dude)

[Goathead]

3. Aloha!

Howzit Brah?

[Rabrrrrrr]

5. Its going well, though I miss Hawaii

I live elsewhere now, and often find myself pining desperately for the 'aina, the aloha, and the everything else.

:-(

[Goathead]

8. Are you in the military?

Just curious

[Rabrrrrrr]

10. No, not military.

Thank God. Not a good time to be in.

Though if Shrubbie has his way, I'm sure I'll get my chance.

[MuseRider]

2. What a beautiful place

to hike. Sorry about your encounter, even if it did feel good to do it it is a bummer we all have to feel this way.

[James T. Kirk]

4. The black helicopters are after you!

:tinfoilhat::7

[Roxy66]

6. LOL!!! That is so funny!!

:yourock:

[benddem]

7. unshaved faces

on army pilots...couldn't be.

[Goathead]

9. National Guard

They were National Gaurd and it was an expression. :-)

[Goathead]

11. How was bigannie in Vietnam?

Were you a nurse. I am assuming that annie is a woman's name, but I guess it doesn't have to be.

[Goathead]

16. Just saw your website

Wow I can't imagine. Have you been to the Women's Vietnam Veterans Memorial in D.C. or the Women in Military Service Memorial in Arlington cemetery?

[The Backlash Cometh]

12. Why did you do that? What happens if one of those soldiers were

redeployed against his will? Don't make the same mistakes of Vietnam.

[Goathead]

13. There is a thing called free will

I do not support the troops, they are in the ARMY of their own volition. Noboby made them join and don't give me that economic situation bullshit either. Do you want to be like one of those people in Germany after World War II who were lined up and were made to go clean up the concentrations camp? They lived right next to the ovens and they claimed they didn't know what was going on? Yeah right. They will get no aid and comfort from me and I include the whole lot of them. They get what they deserve. I am sick of this shit!

[The Backlash Cometh]

14. Were you born after 1972?

[Goathead]

15. '69 baby

What does that have to do with anything? :shrug:

[The Backlash Cometh]

17. You still weren't old enough to understand the mistakes made

in that era. Hating soldiers who enlisted because of limited education and job opportunities, or now, re-deployed even after years of leaving the military, is no way to win a revolution. In the sixties the peace activists called our G.I.'s baby killers. It created a division that lives today as evidenced by the Swift Boat Liars.

[Goathead]

18. That has absolutely nothing to do with it

Isn't that what they are? How many innocent civilians and yes, babies have been killed in Iraq? All done by those US soldiers following orders. When you "support" the troops you are condoning genocide and I simply will not do it. Obviously, the rest of the country did not learn from the mistakes made in that era because Iraq is the new Vietnam. The Bush Admin. learned something though, they have learned that to quell dissent all they have to do is create an image of the American soldier as an unrelenting patriot who's actions may never be questioned and to do so is tantamount to treason. If you want to buy that shlock go ahead, but leave me out it.

[The Backlash Cometh]

19. If you want to repeat the mistakes of the past, do it on your own time.

I don't think most DUers would agree with you.

[Goathead]

21. Look, you are obviously ex-military, ex-Vietnam Vet

I don't think that you speak for anybody on this board

[yellowdog]

22. Actually, Backlash speaks for quite a few on this board.

There are a lot of us vets on this board, some have been shot at, and some have been hit, some did their time and never heard a shot fired in anger. Rail against the war all you want, all of us do, but most of those men and women did not ask to go there and we need to worry about bringing them home alive and in one piece.

[Goathead]

23. Are you saying...

That because you served in the military that you have a more authentic point of view than my own? Because that is what it sure sounds like. I don't know what the circumstances are behind you joining the military, but if you continually come out and support the troops younger men and women will see that as a sign that you condone the war in Iraq and that it is acceptable to slaughter innocent human beings. Sorry, if humiliating and badgering a young recruit here at home means that that person rethinks committing to the war in Iraq and killing innocent civilians then I will humiliate the fuck out of those kids.

[Dzimbowicz]

24. Right on Yellowdog!!!

USMC vet here.:thumbsup:

BTW, kahukushep I resist the war though my veterans group: Veterans for Peace

www.veteransforpeace.org

No, our opinions are no more valid than anyone else's.

[Goathead]

25. Gee can I get a Hoo-Raah too?

[Dzimbowicz]

29. Dear kahukushep

Please go back and read the edit on my last post. I am not trying to argue with you.

[ROC]

28. Amen!

[The Backlash Cometh]

33. Actually, I was a child during the sixties.

I lived on a military base, but was a civilian. I acquired a great respect for our men and women in uniform. But if you asked me for my point of view back then, I would have said I was on the side of the peace movement and may have agreed with those who thought that we were committing atrocities in Vietnam & Cambodia. The Mai Lai incident helped open my eyes to such things. I'm surprised no one talks about that. I may have only been twelve when the leaders of this country were realizing that Vietnam was a mistake and began to make plans to withdraw from Vietnam (it was a messy exit, by the way), but I knew even then that Vietnam was something that they were so ashamed of, that instead of taking the blame for what they did, they allowed brother to fight against brother and have forever been destroying the productive years of those who were born to lead.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

20. Wow and tomorrow this will be the subject of Rush's show

you guys are getting really good at this

[THUNDER HANDS]

26. i know

(a) its a distasteful thing to do. I thought the poster was talking about Army recruiters or something. THAT i could understand on some level.

(b) this is the freakin LOUNGE!

Jeez.

[Goathead]

27. Distasteful... Get real

Do you think that the wholesale slaughter of innocent human beings is distasteful?

[THUNDER HANDS]

37. I think putting your blame on them and not the politicians is distasteful

The politicians send them off to die. Flip them off. Not those putting their lives on the line.

[Goathead]

30. I posted it as example of ways of fighting back.

I suppose you are right, I should have posted it in the GD. So sorry I upset your delicate sensibilities, Magic Rat.

[The Backlash Cometh]

34. How do we know that the kahuna boy isn't Rush in disguise?

[Liberal Veteran]

35. If it is, call up and tell them they were tailgating and that's why you...

...flipped them off.

[x-g.o.p.er]

31. And as an active duty helicopter pilot....

Right back at you, pal.

And just remember, they're out there putting their ass on the line so you can flip them the bird.

[Goathead]

32. You are the one who has to live with himself

Brilliant post by the way you encapsulate the sentiment of the Bush Admin. very well. You should drop the "x-" and change your user-id back to "g.o.p.er" Go back to Freeptown!

[The Backlash Cometh]

36. You're more of a freeper, than he is.

[x-g.o.p.er]

38. I sleep peacably at night...

And your action encapsulated the stereotype that Democrats will always be soft on defense and unwilling to defend America if needed. And that, more than anything else IMHO, is what kept Kerry out of the White House.

But hey, it's a free country. Flip off whoever you want.

Just don't expect congratulatory posts from everyone if you do.

[Goathead]

39. I live in a community...

that has refugees from the Marshall Islands in the Pacific Ocean. These are poor people and were ravaged by the Japanese during World War II. The United States "liberated" the Marshalls and set up military bases there after the war. The United States then rewarded the Marshallese for being so isolated out in the Pacific ocean with exploding aproximately 63 nuclear bombs in their vicinity. The Marshalese were used as test subjects buy our government and the military to see what the effect of exposing a populace to radiation would have on people. Another case of genocide perpetrated by our government. Today those people have to deal with that radiation in the form of thyroid cancer and miscarriages. Hey "x-g.o.p.er" thanks for putting your ass on the line for me. I know you chopper pilots like to spray innocent civilians with machine gun fire from the air and all, really rocks your nads, thanks a whole lot, but don't you dare EVER do it my name. Pentagon=Genocide Vikings suck!

[The Backlash Cometh]

40. Well, I'll call your bluff.

Look up on the internet for the word, "Down Winder." What do you find? Amazing, that white people can be cruel even to white people! Who knew?

And, not only did the U.S.A. government experiment on those islanders, but they experimented on ...wait...for...it... American soldiers. Ha! Didn't see that one coming did you? They lined them up at attention and made them take the hit just outside ground zero. I think my own dad was involved in one of those.

But why should a little radiation bother you? Bush is allowing corporations wide leeway in avoiding legal responsibility with tort reform and limited awards for product liability. Kill a few people, and as long as the company doesn't go under, Bush is happy.

It's time to admit it kahuna boy, we have no real moral grounding in this country. When you think about all the American Indians that we slaughtered, you have to face up to the fact that we never did. This concept of American compassion and generosity during the Democratic years was a fleeting moment in American history that is gone forever.