Some scary reading.

[RebelOne]

A lot of it sounds unbelievable, but this guy backs up all his claims with facts.
If you weren't paranoid before, you just might be after reading this.

http://www.angelfire.com/nj3/soundweapon/ultrasonics.htm

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. Do you know anything about...

Paranoid Schizophrenia?

I am gonna have to see some very conclusive proofs, before this turns into something worthy of serious consideration.

[Rabrrrrrr]

2. I have a feeling this person is not very mentally stable

and has a lot of period of delusion and paranoia. I should think he's also the type that, if you were to talk to him, would realize he has a number of odd speech patterns, tends toward lengthy and unfocused stream of conscious questions and responses, and has a strong inability to keep his eyes focused on the person with whom he is talking. Probably does not stand straight up, but slightly hunched over, and, I would bet money, never quite knows what to do with his hands and so either wrings them a lot or makes odd, jerky motions with them.

[Village Idiot]

3. pass the tinfoil, please.

[undergroundpanther]

5. Tinfoil

I cannot tell these days what is so called paranoid and what isn't.
There ARE non lethal weapons.There are strange devices we don't know what they are for,because we are igniorant and most people need clearances and engineering degrees to see what this shit is or is not..WE can retinal scan people...and those with money and a bully streak can do alot of sophisticated shit with non leathal weapons if they wanted to.There are guns that can fire thousands of rounds at once there are big square things,thre are some very sick technologies out there for crowd control.Thesre is a helioprojector that can project objects or movies into "thin air" without a screen.
WE aren't privy to the"black budget"agenda.Bush is so fond of secrets.The military is not about citizen protection as much as it is for protecting the interests of the rich and powerful.Look, we don't know where ALL of our taxes go,we send the corrupt assholes dominating this country a blank check every year ,we demand no accounting for it really.I mean think of the money taxes must generate every single year from the MASS of people in America.Money pours into the government from a million nickle and dime sources too.

I am not so quick to blithely label people paranoid or dissmiss them as crazy.I may or may not see the same evidence as this man.

But I have seen some in my lifetime,and to deny what I saw because others may call me paranoid is stupid.
I saw what I saw. It's very convienent to lasbel someone paranoid when what they say is disturbing.
If this guy is telling the truth, it is HIS experince.

If other people have witnessed things and automatically get called paranoid and are blown off as nuts,and no one bothers to observe or investigate..what better way for fascist pigs to eliminate opponents and 'inconvienent' people rocking the boat.
..You know there IS a boatr to rock,when you get files on secret experiaments,technologies ect. that can be obtained through the freedom of information act, Notice how 3/4 of it has black marker lines on it, for a reason and usually the blacked out part is why you sought the information in the first place.

Coincidence? or something to hide? Either way you never get to decide what you need to know.

Is it paranoid or vilagent,is it scared or harassed?

Who knows? WE don't know..that is why people who suspect things like non leathal weapons or aliens or whatever cook up theories to explain experinces that do not fit what is "supposed " to be normal life.
And I think most people have had contact with non ordinary realities at some point in thier life.

[WoodrowFan]

4. just because

someone writes a webpage doesn't mean they're not crazy.


BTW, the "Citizens Commission on Human Rights" that he quotes is really the Scientologists.

[undergroundpanther]

6. And there are groups

For freeing the mentally ill,working against forced electroshock and forced treatment that ARE NOT affiliated with scientologists.
Mindfreedom is one example.On our own is another.
Scientologists are not the only people battling the fascist psychiatric state.

[WoodrowFan]

7. but this group IS

but this group IS part of Scientology.

[undergroundpanther]

8. Mindfreedom IS NOT part of scientology

Mindfreedom SUES scientology if they try to associate with them.

[WoodrowFan]

10. I never said it was

methinks somebody maybe NEEDS to see a mental health professional.

[undergroundpanther]

11. methinks

armchair/online shrinks suck,and they make thier careers assuming too much about people like me.Me thinks you need to get over yourself and pay attention to your own motives for being so rude..
I got a reply about scientology ,so it looked to me like you were responding to my post like you were connecting scientology to mindfreedom.So I was wrong you were not.But appearances look like tyhey look to the beholder.BFD.When I said there are other groups fighting against the theraputic state,and scientology is assumed to be the only group out there fighting by too many people so I say something about the other options like mindfreedom.Scientologists I guess considering they are a money making cult/scam get upset when other groups are honest about thier agenda without all the "religion" tacked onto thier anti theraputic state political goals.
And Oh BTW with"new freedom" you will be seeing a "shrink" too. It'll probably be against you will,so welcome to this side of the asylum..
So what if I see a shrink or have a mental health history? Looks like 1 in 4 Americans do too,(not counting drugs booze and those who have not come forward(like you perhaps:) ) It looks like alot of America is crazy hun. Insecure trolls call me crazy when they don't like what I say*laugh*.Oh and dude,I already visit a shrink. I got plenty of DSM4 labels,a new one from those witch doctors in white coats,who can't figure me out. You are aware'normalicy' bigots use psychiartric labels all the time to put down people who they fear and are different than themselves,or to control conversations,Maybe it is the bullies who must control everyone else ,who are abusive,self absorbed,have stunted empathy,and put it upon themselves to enforce the"normal"(as THEY define it)who are the real danger to society.

[WoodrowFan]

14. I ain't the one with issues here.

There's one person in this thread with an agenda. Hint: they write long rambling replies to everybody else on this thread. And they'r ethe ones trying to defend a website put up by somebody who's clearly delusional....

bye bye..

[undergroundpanther]

13. But Clinton

Signed a bill along with Kuchinich about exposing and ending mind control and govt experiamentation.There were hearings in congress in the early 90s. It did exist.

[THUNDER HANDS]

9. I love this part

One government program in which HUD is directly involved in is called operation “Weed and Seed”. Operation Weed and Seed targets what the government considers undesirable people living in high crime neighborhood communities. Local steering committees are established that consists of the U.S. Attorney, private business owners, union representatives, community residents, corporations operating in the area, Chief of Police, faith-based representatives, school administrators, teachers, superintendent, non-profit leader, District Prosecutor, Law Enforcement Coordinator from USAO, regional leaders of Federal Departments and agencies (HUD, HHS, Small Business Admin, etc.), representative(s) from city agencies (housing, code enforcement, Dept of Recreation, etc.), and Military community outreach staff.

These local steering committees meet to decide how best to fight crime and rid the communities of undesirable people. UltraSonics is directly involved with Operation Weed and Seed. There is a government and military connection, which would explain UltraSonics ability to obtain sophisticated police and military surveillance equipment and non-lethal weapons. Click here to read excerpts from the Department of Justice Website on Operation Weed and Seed. If you would like learn more of Operation Weed and Seed, the actual Department of Justice Website is listed in the link section of this website. Or you can do a search for “Weed and Seed” at an Internet Search Engine to find the Websites of the various state branches of the program.

Weed and Seed is an anti-gang program. It does target undesirables, which I believe gang members would be considered in most American communities.

At least on Long Island, the program is being used to get rid of the El Salvadorian gang that calls itself MS-13.

[undergroundpanther]

12. This guy

In think is a bit confused but I think he might be aware of something too.
If he is a gang member or knows them(regardless of wrongheaded sympathies What if he IS being targeted?(as the danger to neighborhoods that he is?). If we look at what is targeting him as only a government tool to stop gangs,we limit ourselves ,realize with the Patriot act where a peace-nick is redefined as a terrorist,a liberal can be called a national threat by The bush admin on a whim,and dissent is couched as unpatriotic by the extremists in control of the government we might find ourselves on the wrong end of some of the weapons and infiltrations used to target gangs and people like him.

Come on folks think beyond labels,and the tinfoil games .Realize this stuff can be applied in a different way than this guy says it does.Ween and seed targets gangs, but what if the same techniques were to be used against us and liberal organizations.Cointelpro is now legal along with the erosion of alot of our privacy and rights in the Constitution.We have a resident who thinks he has a mandate.

The German people never thought Fascism could happen there early in Hitler's career I bet.There were many similarities to Germany's early fascist state and America right now. How many"normal" Germans told each other that the gas chambers were not real?Shit holocaust denial is still strong in Germany even when you can visit old concentration camps and see them. Denial is a strong defense mechanism but ineffective for real life protection against the unspeakable horrors can people do to each other.The therapy state is real it's becoming alive under Bush,and it is dangerous and insidious and "normal" is one of it's weapons.

But despite of,and maybe thanks to all the "sane" "normal" people in Germany not having the courage to go against denial and their failure start thinking about the unthinkable,and stop playing pretend fascism happened and the gas chambers were really real. And I bet people who were scared of Hitler and his boot boys early on when he was popular and saw ahead the potentials for eugenics in Hitlers words,policy and persona were called nuts,paranoids and criminals too.(The mentally ill went to the gas chambers before the Jews did BTW.)
So I just don't dismiss people out of hand who are threatened by the state.I don't believe everything they say and I disagree but sometimes there is truth in it too.It's up to you to THINK about what was said,compare it to your own experiences, and sort it out for yourself,and relying on public consensus,calling stuff tin foil,normal or paranoid is not THINKING anymore than swallowing what this guy says whole hog..