The real problem with the GD forums

[Zomby Woof]

It isn't the flame wars. It isn't the wrist-slashing (I rather enjoy that), or the pissing and whining (which is boring).

It's the MASS DELUSION. This talk of 'recounts' and exposing fraud, as if 2004 can be undone.

I suppose grief takes many forms, and the repression of reality is a consequence of trauma.

The truth being that the whole mess is a sick joke, and you are powerless, yes, powerless, to do a goddamned thing about it.

There will be no overturn, no change to the fixed house rules.

This problem isn't just a 2004 thing, or a 2000 thing. It was set up long before most of you were born. Even then, maybe earlier.

The American Empire was born in 1898, when the yellow Hearst press (damn liberal media!) stirred Americans up with jingoistic fervor toward war with a very weak Spain (nothing like starting a war with a weak country to make you feel proud to be Amurikan). Then there was that slaughter and genocide we undertook in the Phillipines shortly thereafter. Nothing...new...under...the...sun...

The baby steps towards a more perfect union were very real, even in the shadow of bloody imperial landgrabs, and tentatively set us on the correct course, but even with the accomplishments of universal suffrage in the US, the long civil rights movement, the labor movement, and the conquest of fascism mid-century only served ultimately to create a more believable illusion that we had anything remotely resembling a democratic republic. You can't maintain the consent of the governed without dangling a few tasty carrots to tease people into thinking the American Dream had any substantial street value. Why do you think they call it a dream anyway?

It's irreversible now. There will be no recount worth a donkey's green road apple, no overturning, no restoration, no democracy. It is foolish, naive, and wasteful of one's energy to think otherwise.

I don't care how cynical and defeatist you think this is. Cold, hard reality is too much for the delusional to take, I realize.

Many of you will only secretly admit to yourself that I am right, even if you are going to waste your time flaming me.

America isn't worth saving or fixing. Just try to live your lives the best you can, and don't put hope into thinking you are going to fix the unfixable.

The revolution will not be televised, unless you have a cheesy script that can be written for a bad made-for-TV movie.

[Endangered Specie]

1. Denial and Blame are all parts of the grieving process...

it will pass.

[MuseRider]

2. Bummer.

You sound just like my husband now. You are correct but there is nothing to do but try to fight it. It's OK, I still love you both.

[Zomby Woof]

4. you know I love you back

I ain't fighting it anymore. I need my valuable lifespan for other things, like well, telling friends like you how I feel about them. :-)

[greatauntoftriplets]

3. That is the ZombyTroof.....

Damn sad, isn't it?

[Zomby Woof]

8. not entirely

We CAN make a difference in our immediate spheres. Think of the joy you derive from your great-triplets. Think of the guidance they will receive from their parents and of course, you. Think of how strong their character potential is growing up in post-Bush America.

Think of how liberating it is to free up your gifts for more immediate concerns, such as improving your community, and the aforementioned family.

Think of it as micro-activism. I am all for that. It's the macro-activism I am scornful of... hence the blunt tone of my original post.

Hey, we Cubs fans know the texture of sorrow a bit too well at times. ;-)

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

5. I know. I fear you are right. I have to get back to work

I am freelance, and have not been able to do it for 2 weeks now. Life goes on. Somehow.

[emulatorloo]

6. Sorry, dont sully my lovely lounge w your GD style cynicism and depression

;-)

[Zomby Woof]

9. hehe

Sometimes, the yaks and coffee don't cut it. ;-)

[emulatorloo]

12. My reply to everything tonite

after saying "Have another Drink!!!!"



Other than that, I refuse to give up on America just yet. . . . .

[no name no slogan]

7. Remember the Maine!!!!!

I've really been struck by the similarities between the SPAM War and the current Mess-O-Potamia.

Both were based on outright lies perpetuated by a complacent press, who further fed the jingoistic fires and turned a rather passive, peace-loving populace into a pack of wild dogs.

I agree about the various recounts. The fix was in eight years ago. The only way we'll win is by changing the dialogue entirely, and fighting on our terms-- not theirs.

[Zomby Woof]

21. I must point out

Karl Rove's favorite president? William McKinley, I shit you not.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

10. Love you huge, bubba, but...

I think I got a few more "gettin' ups off the tatami" before I pack it in.

[Zomby Woof]

13. I respect that

I don't really think you are delusional... just the people frothing a BIT too much about overturing the election. If only it were so..

And even then, I suspect it is beyond repair.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

15. Something, some issue...

Will come along and flash a little ankle your way and the next thing we know, you will have the bit in your mouth again.

Not today. Not tomorrow. Not the next day. But you have the warrior's heart, and warriors know when the trumpets sound and the urge is too great to ignore them.

The good ones just pick their battles and know when to rest up and heal.

[da_chimperor]

11. Your point of view is a very valid one

but I'm far too optimistic to think that we can't change anything. I really think we can, it's just a question of time and effort. As things go now, I think America is on a course for disaster so things have to change whether we do anything to initiate it or not. Change will be caused by external or internal factors. It's up to us what happens.

[nini]

14. I'm movng on... planning a trip to Albuquerque.

:evilgrin:

[Zomby Woof]

17. Fine!

Harumph! ;-)

[nini]

18. well, OK then!!

zombybrat :P

[NJ_Lib]

16. I'm sorry, I just have to ask...

... what if African Americans who came to this country as slaves had that attitude?

I'm not saying you're wrong but if African Americans accomplished what they have against a similar breed, why can't we?

[Zomby Woof]

20. like I said...

The accomplishments were very real, and very promising. But it how they have been used since to complete other ends... namely giving us just enough freedom to believe we have it made, and enough tyranny to set us back in increments toward a new kind of slavery.

There won't be a civil war this time to undo the new slavery. Americans are generally too numbed by TV and trendy consumerism.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

19. ZW.... Well said as usual.

So few want to admit that the Empire building began so long ago or even that it exists.

Fucking lemmings.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

22. Well

that's the first time I've cried in a few days.