The Matrix Revolutions? (possible spoilers)

[Deja Q]

I saw the first Matrix (1999). It rocked. Enough of a plot, a lot of action, plenty of surprises, and the pacing was perfect. Even Keanu Reeves could pull through, not that he said much anyway. He's like the Fonzie of 1999.

I just saw Matrix Reloaded (2003), or at least the first 90 minutes of it so far. So far, there was precious little plot advancement, the pacing of which was horrible and further diluted what could have been decent. So many pointless action scenes and so many lines or scenes taken from the original. I had to fast forward through many scenes, including the really tacky sex scene. None of the actors, I felt, put anything into their characters (except for maybe the Oracle) - they were just going through the paces.

Even the Oracle repeated half her lines before giving something new to say. But, as with the original, her character was the focal point, and probably the best acted too.

And if there is something that redeems this movie, the horrendous pacing kinda ruins the effect.

Indeed, while watching Neo run fast in slow motion, I felt reminded for the 5000th time that this is like "The Bionic Woman" on acid.

If I think that Reloaded is a disappointment, should I even bother with Revolutions?

[Worst Username Ever]

1. Shut your mind off of the plot and just watch the battles,

particularily if you have surround sound. Fun stuff.

[MallRat]

2. Reloaded, at least, has some interesting revelations at the end.

The Matrix Revolutions was ABYSMAL.

If you watch these films for the plot/script/characters first and special effects/action sequences second, you will be VERY, VERY DISAPPOINTED by Revolutions.

-MR

[xultar]

11. I happen to like the First Oracle, Gloria, she died though. The second

Oracle I liked as well but I wish the first lady hadn't died. The Oracle part for me was a Black thing. There's always someone like her in the black community that you go to who has the wisdom to say what needs to be said.

[IronLionZion]

3. reloaded blows goats

if you had not watched it, you wouldn't have missed a thing.

Ever wonder why they released 2 and 3 within months of each other? Or why there was loads of marketing for 2 and 3? reloaded is like the Windows ME of movies - they just got greedy and wanted to squeeze out some extra profit by putting forth a half-assed attempt but marketing the hell out of it because they know people will see it.

The revolutions is better than reloaded but not as awesome or mind-blowing as the first one. I would recommend watching it because you'd feel incomplete without it.

[MallRat]

4. Reloaded is worth watching. At least it furthers the storyline a bit.

Revolutions was pointless.

One epic CGI battle after another. Lots of dead humans and machines. If that's your thing, don't let me stop you.

But as someone who was drawn to the original Matrix by its mind-twisting plot, Reloaded left me a bit underwhelmed. Revolutions, however, absolutely pissed me off in a "what-a-fucking-waste-of-time" kind of way.

-MR

[DS1]

5. Agreed

Revolutions will Destroy your enjoyment of anything Matrix.

AVOID at all costs!

Yes, it's that bad.

Stay the road - beware the moon - yadda yadda yadda

[DS1]

6. Oh, and there's only about 30 seconds of Monica Belluci in Revolutions

and despite what geekdom says - Trinity ain't all that and the proverbial bendable bag of chips

[IronLionZion]

14. I'm not going to defend revolutions

they both blew. but if you want to see something interesting, try Equilibrium.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0238380/

[Dukakis88]

7. They are coming out with a Matrix boxed set with an interesting feature...

According to an interview with one of the W. Bros, the upcoming Matrix Trilogy boxed set will come with two different commentary tracks for each film. One of the commentary tracks is a conversation between various philosophers who liked all the movies about the themes of the films (yawn). But the other one is a conversation between two film critics who HATED the sequels who are allowed to bitch at will about how bad they are. They haven't revealed the names of these critics, as far as I know.

The third film was ridiculous. Two things:

* They all scream "we won!!! YAY!" at the end, yet the fate of all of the humans whose brains were still hooked up to the Matrix is left unclear. It seems very likely that they all died when they were all taken over by Agent Smith and killed. What a great victory -- the annihilation of most of the human race.

* The final scene of the film that's supposed to wrap everything up features three actors who weren't even in the first film that everybody loved. What a rip off. The Oracle character was in the first film (played by a different actress), but she was hardly one of the main characters. Yuk.

[Deja Q]

15. The original Oracle actress died during the time she did Reveolutions

:cry: Her role may have been chronologically small, but it was monumental in so many other ways.


And of course Neo and gang would win. It's like Star Wars. :puke:

I rather prefer stuff like "Blake's 7", where the heroes don't topple the empire or win in the end. Doesn't seem nearly as hokey.

[7th_Sephiroth]

17. Spoilers, untrue

Oracle: "what about those inside who want out?"
Architect "they will be freed, of course"

[Dukakis88]

22. But...

Agent Smith took over the minds of everyone in the world before fighting Neo. They all became him, and then all of those copies were killed by Neo. So how are the people still alive?

[7th_Sephiroth]

24. they werent killed

they were debugged, they dont say how exactly how the agent takeover works but looking at it i assume they use a persons code in the matrix as a frame to super impose the agent's code, what happens to the concioness? its probably but into another server or something, probably the same way that smith's "infection" works

[xultar]

8. You gotta finish it off. Yes Reloaded SUXed and Revolutions will SUX more

but you gotta see it just to see. THE END...or is it?

[DireStrike]

9. The battle scenes were AWESOME.

Maybe that's just because I saw it in IMAX, but the defense of Zion was amazing.

[DS1]

12. No, BORING

If neither of you can die, what's the point of fighting?

LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!

[democracy eh]

10. Revolutions is not a great movie

but there is worse shit out there

most prime time sit-coms that are not Seinfeld, Joe Dirt, Blue Streak

my point is, unless you are really picky, you are probably going to spend 2 hours sometime watching worse crap, might as well satisfy your curiosity and watch Revolutions. besides, what higher purpose would be accomplished by not watching it?

besides then you can come on DU and talk about all the CGI cheese

but there are some interesting scenes, just a poor plot

[Deja Q]

16. Actually, 90% of Matrix and Reloaded look real. They did a darn good job:

Now look at other movies made in the last 4 years. "Bedazzled" (the crappy and uninspired 2000 remake of the 1967 UK classic) had pitiful effects; they didn't even try to make them look seamless!

While, on the small screen, it's easier to tell what looks superimposed and all, the first two Matrix movies (haven't seen #3) for the most part look exceptional and real in many cases.

I was blown away by the all-white Zion control center and the attention paid to detail with lighting, insertion of CGI fx, the lot. And if it looks real on the small screen where the eye can visualize everything at once, it's that much more real on the big screen because the eye has to see the picture, parts at a time, and can't digest all that's there.

I still want to know if Middle East countries ever saw the Matrix movies and if "Zion" was changed, what with 'Zionists' and all... O8)

[furrylitldevil]

13. Like you,

I was pissed at Reloaded. It seemed like the pinnacle of cinematic masturbation and was only released to put money in the hands o various studio exec's bank accounts. But you have to see Revolutions now.

Revolutions isn't great, in fact the jury is still out on weather or not I wan my 90 mins. back, but I can say that it doesn't suck. At least, it doesn't suck as bad as Reloaded. I think they did that on purpose. Released a terrible 2nd movie to lower the expectations of the third, that way you wouldn't feel to bad about seeing a movie that was "just average" based on the precedent set a giant turd of a film.

[7th_Sephiroth]

18. watch the animatrix as well

the second reinassence parts 1 & 2, despite the GIANT scientific plot hole (nukes also release a huge EMP, 10 of them can shut down the world) but shows how the whole mess started (warning graphic violence and horrorific images)

[DS1]

19. 10 nukes cannot shut down the world

[7th_Sephiroth]

20. i read somewhere a while ago

that suprising few nukes in the proper places would just about fry everything thats unshielded

[Huckebein the Raven]

21. I don't think Operation "Dark Sky" used nukes to blacken the sky.

Nukes I believe were used only in the bombardment of 01. But I may be wrong. I loved 2nd Renaissance 1 & 2. Very powerful. I think it would make good material for a movie but I don't know if I want to see another Matrix movie.

[7th_Sephiroth]

23. bombing of 01

"but the machines survived in the nuculear fire and came out" one thing, if EMP works on advanced combat machine models, why not the EMP of a nuculear weapon on human designed models and earlier machine designs? and they showed scenes of combat and nukes going off, if you can even SEE visually the mushroom cloud than every piece of electronics around you would fry

[Huckebein the Raven]

25. Haven't seen it in a while so my memory of it is fuzzy.

I stand corrected.

[7th_Sephiroth]

26. yup, nukes abundant in part 2

you'd think that in the manufacture of A.I. one wouldent give the machines any knowledge past thier given task

[Huckebein the Raven]

27. I wonder if Asimov's 3 laws regarding A.I would be enough. But

how do you give A.I the ability to learn yet prevent self-awareness ?

[Borgnine]

28. Agreed.

In fact I thought the whole Animatrix was somewhat disturbing. It left an unsettled feeling in the back of my mind when watching it, especially the Second Renaissance.

As far as Revolutions go, I enjoyed it a lot more than Reloaded. However, that enjoyment stems from the superficial action sequences in Zion (which were ridiculous, but certainly more exciting than the Neo/Smith fights in the sequels). The film really left me more pissed off than anything. In my mind, The Matrix begins and ends with the first film.

[Chovexani]

29. If you don't like Reloaded, you'll hate Revolutions.

Personally, I absolutely adored all three movies. But I've noticed people who hate Reloaded tend to trash on Revolutions.

I've come to the conclusion that the Matrix sequels are something a person either loves or hates.