Does anyone else thing God is overrated?

[jobycom]

Don't get me wrong, I love the earth and the universe and everything, but does it seem to anyone else that he really isn't as good as he's cracked up to be? I mean, why put all that salt in the water so people can't drink it? And why make stupid people like Bush when you know they are just going to blow up everything you made?

Just curious what everyone else thinks.

[Catch22Dem]

1. Way overrated! (n/t)

[RebelYell]

2. Where's he been for over 2,000 years? n/t

[Lone_Wolf_Moderate]

6. The same place He's always been.

[MissB]

10. lmao

I'm sure it's the vodka talking. But that was funnnny.

[Lone_Wolf_Moderate]

3. No, He's not overrated.

I don't know how else to respond to this, except to tell you that God is my source, my strength, my light in dark places. At the risk of being preachy, He's ultimately the only hope we have. Not trying to ride you, just answering your question.

[BlueCaliDem]

31. God is Constantly UNDERrated. Most People Don't Even Know...

..that he's separate from Jesus the Christ, and that he even has an own name.
That's how underrated he is.

[edbermac]

4. Reminds me of the George Carlin quote...

God is only a semi-supreme being because everything he makes dies...I don't mind God, just all the born-again God Loves You/God Hates Fags folks...

[Ladyhawk]

5. More like non-existent...

Sorry, that's my belief.

[nytemare]

7. Listen to "Dear God"

by Sarah McLachlan, very deep and a little brave for her to sing considering what it says. I am not sure if it is a cover or not, but it is pretty compelling nonetheless.

[tuvor]

11. Done by XTC originally.

And she ripped off her yodel from Sinead O'Connor, too!

Sorry, I just happen to think Sarah's overrated.

[jobycom]

15. Dammit!

This is my over-rated thread, go start your own damned over-rated thread!!

:-)

[tuvor]

20. Sure thing. Be sure to post right away!

Meet you in the Lounge in a minute or two.

[nytemare]

27. I tend to think that someone who

is a classically trained musician on piano, can play guitar, and has a great voice, albeit similar to Sinead, is not overrated.

She did a lot to advance women singer songwriters with Lilith Fair, and gave a lot to charity from it.

Now I do think Brittney Spears and Destiny's Child are cookie cutter bubble gum, and that is WAY overrated.

But hey, you know what they say about opinions. :)

[unblock]

12. is that a cover of xtc's "dear god"?

a great angry rant, ending with, "if there's one thing i don't believe in .... it's youuuuuuuuuuuu, dear god"

[nytemare]

23. Yeah I think it was a cover of that

I actually haven't heard the original version. I may have to check it out.

[unblock]

26. the xtc version is lovely, it features a young boy singing the first verse

and the last few words at the end. a nice touch.

[NYC Liberal]

8. Reminds me of that Far Side cartoon...

God is a chef, with the Earth in a pan and jars of "ingredients" (animals, trees, rocks, etc.). It shows God sprinkling a jar labelled "Jerks" onto the Earth.

[tuvor]

9. Why all the salt?

>>why put all that salt in the water so people can't drink it?

All the fish and other sea life would die?

(Who said God was only about the humans, anyway? ;))

[Old Hippie]

16. I'm with George......

here's a quote for y'all.......

"The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian doctrine." -George Washington

[jobycom]

22. Thought

that was from the Treaty of Tripoli?

Washington said he was proud that you could read the Constitution front to back and find no mention of God.

[Webster Green]

29. Great quote!

And a great first post, Old Hippie!

I am an old hippie too. A true hippie will be a hippie till the end! :hippie:

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[jobycom]

17. Well, he could have made him without the salt requirement, eh?

Reminds me of Apple versus PCs. If they'd have done a little better planning, maybe we wouldn't have all these noncompatibility problems!

[Nicole]

13. No

I don't believe he is over rated.

I believe he is over exploited.

[tuvor]

14. Good answer!! n/t

[progmom]

18. Nicole - excellent post.

:hi:

[x-g.o.p.er]

19. Well said!!

Welcome to DU!!

[Coyote_Bandit]

21. Yes and Obviously it is Hard for Him to Find Good Help n/t

[selmo7]

24. Depends on your idea of god -

If you project "god" as being some specifically he-man intelligence "out there" separate from everything else ala the "god" in the Judeo-Christian creation myth (which is what I suspect the "moral right's belief about god is), then DEFINITELY OVERRATED.

But if your concept of god is panentheistic, that is, "God is in Everything and Everything is in God," then God is "wikid cool."

[jobycom]

25. What if my concept of him

is a metaphor for everything people can't quite grasp?

[selmo7]

36. "Great Mystery"

[amerikat]

28. free will. I gave them free will. What was I thinking?

We have everything we need to prosper. I think he meant it is up to us to make it work.

[selmo7]

39. Amen

if we didn't have free will, would our fierce creativity atrophy? Bev Harris would not be digging through the trashbags of Volusia right now (as the heroine she is.)

God gives us six and a half dozen or the other, that's fer sure.

I keep trying to remind myself: I'm a spiritual being having a human experience.

Would any of us want to miss this? :party:

[Jack Schitt]

30. Why condemn all humans to death because of the actions of Adam..

and Eve? They were the idiots that ate the "forbidden fruit". We didn't eat it.

And why does an all-loving, all-forgiving God send people to hell if they're "bad"? If he's all-forgiving, not one person should be condemned to hell. Isn't he supposed to love everything he created?

Let's talk about Jesus. If he was the man the Bible claims him to be, then why isn't there any record of Jesus outside the Bible? They don't find markings on cave walls about Jesus. He's not written on any stone tablets.

Boggles the mind...

[jobycom]

32. Well, on the last point

They took everything they could find about Jesus and put it IN the Bible, so it's a bit of a self-fulfilling situation.

Of course, there is plenty about Jesus outside the Bible, too, but it described Jesus as married, a killer, and a fraud who faked his own crucifixion, so the early Christians decided those weren't good PR, and left them out.

[tuvor]

33. Response to your second paragraph

The concept of hell is overrated.

www.tentmaker.org

[selmo7]

35. well think of it

if Eve didn't eat that apple, we wouldn't BE! because she wouldn't have had childbirth.

Eve gave us the gift of life when she bit the apple and I think we owe a debt of gratitude towards her :-).

And yuup the 'ole free will thing has been hummin' along ever since.

God is a merry prankster -

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

34. Screw God!

I keep praying for the Patriots to lose and it never happens!

[mitchum]

37. Has a really fucked up sense of humor

[RevolutionaryActs]

38. God shall smite you....

.. for your lack of faith. And get your science reasoning and backward librul talk out of here :evilgrin:

[jobycom]

40. I got smited

by the scientists in a post a few days ago for sticking up for believers. I'm doomed to be smitten, I guess. I could probably avoid it by being less ornery, and enjoying fights less.

[sir_captain]

41. Without all that salt in the water

we'd all be dead

[jobycom]

43. Maybe, but that's my point

It's a design flaw. Make us so we have what we need to survive. Integrate the hardware and software. None of this propietary crap! I mean, was there some other creator he was competing with? Did he he have to avoid patents, or keep things deliberately complicated to foil copyright infringements, like Microsoft? Why couldn't he just create a basic system, where all species needed only something that we had in abundance?

Just seems so FUBAR to me.

[skygazer]

45. Talk about design flaws!

What the hell was he thinking when he put a guy's package where he did? Right out there where it can get nailed from every direction. I'm not a guy but I live with one - that stuff is always in the way, always getting crunched or squashed. It's a perfect spot to kick if you want to take a guy out of commission.

Way overrated if you ask me.

[jobycom]

47. Painfully poignant observation! nt.

[sir_captain]

48. I dunno

perhaps as an agnostic, I'm looking at this purely from a scientific perspective, but particularly biochemically, I feel like humans are an amazing, amazingly complicated organism. The ovarabundance of salt in the oceans is similar to the overabundance of oxygen in the air--it's there to allow our own bodies to regulate what we need.

Sorry for going off in a completely unrelated direction to the OP, as a note.

[Neoma]

42. i think its weird to believe in fantasys..no offense,but

If you traded snow White's poison apple tree with the tree of eden
i don't think their would be a difference.

As for God...Nothing like worshiping something that is stronger and better then you will ever be,and him/her never giving you anything for being on this planet,unless you consider that parking space you got holy...

I rather stick to my beliefs that you haved to live your life out before your grave is dug. instead of going to a church 4-5 times a day when in fact its a habit of control from the medieval ages to point out certain things are 'wrong'

[jobycom]

46. Yeah, sure, but, if he did exist...

Did he do a good job, or not?

I mean, at the heart of it, asking whether the force that created existence itself exists or not is like trying to retrieve the water you spilled into a lake. It's silly. Whatever that force-- sentient being, nonsentient phenomena, series of metaphysical coincidences, whatever-- the god of the Bible and all religions is just a metaphor, just an attempt to describe what that was. Anyone who thinks they have the complete story on that force-- whether that person by religious, scientist or atheistic philosopher-- is deluding themselves. You can't see what's beyond existence itself.

So with God as a metaphor for whatever you want it to stand for-- the Big Bang, maybe-- is he overrated?

I actually had two points for starting this thread-- One, I get disgusted by juvenile DUers constantly starting threads blasting some public figure. "Is Kevin Costner overrated?" There will then follow a string of pseudo-cool folk showing their hipness by calling him a talentless hack. Substitute any name for Costner's. I was mocking that.

Two, I always hear believers arguing that this world is so perfectly synchronized that it had to come from some master planner. I think it's a goofy, random, chaotic mess, and any master designer would have done things a lot better. Thus, to me, the world itself is proof that there is no sentient planner. The discussion never went that way, though I tried to stir it there in a couple of posts.

[Socialist Dem]

44. If mankind is the best god can do

then god has a serious quality control problem

-G. Carlin.