Should I Be Nicer to Rightwing Friends

[ieoeja]

One who swings wildly between extreme Right and center Left forwarded a bunch of us one of those anonymous emails. The original message was your typical "we Christians are so mistreated in this country". First words in the message here "you can't say 'Merry Christmas' anymore". After the usual religious claims of martydom, it tossed in a "speak English" paragraph for some reason. Maybe they thought the bible was written in English? So I replied setting off the following two day Email exchange between myself and another individual copied on the original message. All but the last were "copy all" to include everyone else.


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ieoeja

OH MY GOD!!!! I'm not allowed to say "Merry Christmas"? Cripes, it's a wonder the feds haven't busted down my door and arrested me already. Wow! When did this happen? Because, you know, I see CHRISTMAS lights going up all over the place. Why haven't the feds arrested mayor Daley?

Maybe because this is a bunch of made up crap?

You know, not too many years ago a President of the United States said that I "could not be a good American" because I'm not a Christian. Do any of you ever recall anybody, let alone the President of the United States, saying that you could not be a good American because you ARE a Christian?

I get really sick of all this whiney shit from a bunch of ignorant, paranoid mother-f^ckers who are NOT being discriminated against. My son's school has a Christmas, not Holiday, pageant every year. They put up Christmas, not Holiday, decorations every year. This is in a Chicago Public School (McPherson Elementary), a public school in a LIBERAL, DEMOCRATIC city. Have you ever noticed that these "controversies" never occur in Chicago, New York or Los Angeles? But they are always happening in the "blue" states and counties?

For example, they had one in Vincennes, IN two years ago. Public housing residents were notified that they could not put up Christmas decorations since they were in public housing. This was NOT government policy. The individual who sent out the notification was found to be a fundamentalist Christian trying to stir up a "the government is making war on Christianity" controversy. I am happy to report the government fired the b!tch.

And the difference between these stories and some rant about some undetailed discrimination is that these stories are true, with details to back it up.



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Green Bay Cop

Yea, we when you have to deal with the people on a daily basis who don't speak English, you come talk to me about it. It would be nice to be able to talk to people and not have to worry about whether or not they can understand you. It may be a bunch of Bullshit to you but some of us do have to deal with problems like this and we are sick of it. So next time if you don't like it just delete the message cause I sure as hell don't care what you have to think about it. And if you don't like e-mails like this then tell the sender to take you off of his send to list. Damn, its just an email!!!



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ieoeja

I do have to deal with people on a daily basis who don't speak English. Most people do. Some of us just don't get our panties in a bunch about it. And, of course, I sure as hell don't care what YOU have to think about it either. So we're even.



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Green Bay Cop

Do me a favor and take my name off of any e-mail list you might have. it's obvious your opinion is more important than anyone else's and you get easily offended when someone voices one that differs from yours. The last thing I want is to have my mailbox inundated with e-mails from you voicing your opinion and not wanting to hear anyone else's. If you didn't want a reply you should have kept your mouth shut.



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ieoeja

"I" don't want anybody else's opinion? YOU were the one who piped in with "I sure as hell don't care what you think about it". So you're allowed to get snippy because you're a good Christian American while I should just shut the hell up. Is that it?



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Green Bay Cop

Listen Asshole, your the fuck head who replied to the original e-mail in the first place. So if you didn't want a reply or expect one back then shut the fuck up!!! Obviously your views are more important than my so called Christian American views so why don't you just kiss my red, white, and blue ass and take my name off your e-mail lists. Next time don't reply all, just reply to the people who give a shit about what you want to say....because I'm not one of them. And by the way, it's good to know that you can classify me as a Christian American when you don't know the first fucking thing about me. That just proves how low your intellect is.



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ieoeja

So I shouldn't have replied to the original. But it is okay for you to reply to my reply. Again, it is wrong of me to reply to your reply, but okay for you to reply to my reply. And now you're saying I shouldn't reply to all. And yet I seem to see everyone on your reply which must mean it is okay for YOU to reply to all.

Also, you again accuse me of not wanting a reply. When have I ever said that? You're the one who keeps sending out messages then telling me that I should not reply. I scoffed at the sentiment expressed in the original message that Christianity is being abused in this country. You replied with an argument about something entirely different (fine), but then included a comment to the affect that I should have kept my opinion to myself.

THAT I will not do.

My ex wife had a friend who always thought he "won" arguments. He did this by ignoring all reason and facts to the point where his opponents walked away from him in disgust.

I expect you think you win a lot of arguments too.

Later,
Eddie

P.S. Packers suck!



*interruption* Another Rightwinger piped in to the conversation dressing down Green Bay Cop which likely prompted his final response below.


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Green Bay Cop - this time NOT copying everyone else on his reply

I guess I just don't see your point or logic. It's been nice arguing with you but lets not do it again. And by the way, yes, the packers do suck. At least u got that right.



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Once he extended the above olive branch, I accepted and made nicey-nice after that.

But it kind of saddens me. First it bothers me that he really couldn't follow straight logic. I understand when they twist and spin to defend their position against all reason, but if they are truly incapable of following simple logic (and I believe him when he says he can not) then how can we ever hope to overcome our differences? But mostly I was saddened because I couldn't send him the following reply:

I try to be ...

Prepared
Always
Cause
Knowing
Enough
Replies
Sent

Singing
Up the
Chedder
Knoll

... will with luck illicit a response droll.

I mean, I put a lot of work into that. What a waste.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. NO... look what you are seeing is

a very cold civil war... realize we may have to fight these
sons of bitches... ok

so it is time to fight back and if they can't handle it, tough shit next case

[DawnneOBTS]

2. don't give in

I lost my fiance (of 4+ years), some relatives don't talk to me anymore, I lost friends, I am all alone now because I stood my ground. I need to find people who share my visions and won't hate me for my visions. I won't give in to right-wing nut jobs. Better to find out sooner than later, I guess.

[Polly_Sorbate_60]

3. wow...

Dawnne, I'm so sorry to hear about you losing your fiance over the election. Wow.

But you're absolutely correct: Better to find out now. My ex and I could have avoided an expensive wedding and unpleasant divorce had we really looked at who we were and how much we were growing apart BEFORE getting married.(At least there were no kids :shrug:)

PS: Welcome to DU! (from one relative newbie to another :-) ) This place is addicting.