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TeddyKGB Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:19 AM
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Ron Artest
Douchebag.

Go pursue your "rap career", asswipe. I'm sure he saw dollar signs when that beer hit him.

Whatever happens, you let security handle it - for your own safety, as well as everyone else's.

He and he alone is to blame for the escalation in the stands.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:24 AM
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1. I'm guessing he got himself into trouble again?
He was such a good player at St. Johns. I loved St. Johns and I was a big fan of his. It's too bad if he ruins it.
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craiga86 Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:31 AM
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2. That was most definetly not his fault
The fan was directly to blame. I'm an objective observer of this conflict because I not only dislike the NBA as far as good basketball goes, but I'm from North Carolina which is no where near these two teams.

I know of Ron Artest's past, and this just was not his fault. I found myself grinding my teeth in anger against that idoit fan. That was one of the most classless displays of fan support I have ever seen!
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TeddyKGB Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:34 AM
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3. Not his fault?
Who went up into the stands?
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craiga86 Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:36 AM
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5. Who instigated it?
...
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TeddyKGB Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:37 AM
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8. Gee, THAT makes what Artest did all right.
:eyes:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:40 AM
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9. Why did two Pacers have to punch a Detroit fan?
Honestly
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TeddyKGB Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:44 AM
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10. Because Artest went into the stands.
End of discussion.
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craiga86 Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:49 AM
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15. Even the commentators pointed the fault
towards the fans
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TeddyKGB Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:52 AM
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17. Ah, the "well, he started it" defense
Nice. :eyes:
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craiga86 Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 02:01 AM
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21. Or better yet....
Edited on Sat Nov-20-04 02:02 AM by craiga86
Let's justify the actions of several crazy fans, when the head coach can't even do it.

:shrug:
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craiga86 Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:47 AM
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13. Did you see the video?
The guy was running up to Artest with his fist clinched, that guy got what he deserved to be completely honest. He came onto the court and ran up to Artest after all the brawl in the stands came to an end. Then he tried to run at Artest again, and thats when O'Neil punched him.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 02:41 AM
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23. I had not seen the video when I wrote that.
I have now.
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craiga86 Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:44 AM
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11. Yea..
and "He and he alone is to blame for the escalation in the stands", right?

Give me a break, you saw the fans reaction, even the Larry Brown was disgraced by the showing. If you watch the video Artest was inside a huddle with his team until some moron throw a beverage all over him. His actions weren't right, but if you look at the video it is pretty clear where most the blame goes.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:46 AM
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12. Yes. It goes on a player who lacks impulse control
...and a real team player he is.
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TeddyKGB Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:48 AM
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14. You're right.
The blame goes on Artest.

Your he-started-it argument is beyond juvenile. Artest was lying on the scorer's table like a punk after hard-fouling Ben Wallace with 45 seconds left in a game that was not even close.
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craiga86 Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:51 AM
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16. Beyond that, throwing something at a player
especially while the game is still in progress deserves no justification. He was inside of a huddle, he can do cartwheels and it doesn't mean that those morons can throw crap at him.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 02:45 AM
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24. You as a Detroit fan should be embarrassed.
Your fellow fans and the security are a disgrace regardless. Then again, your behavior is consistent with the thugs and criminals aka fans at the game tonight.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:34 AM
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4. I am starting to read about it online.
And it sounds like the assholes in Detroit caused most of the problem.
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SmileyBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:37 AM
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7. Exactly.
I have now watched the whole thing, and the brawl was perpetuated by some of the assholes in the stands.
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huellewig Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:52 AM
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18. I worked at a movie theater for three years.
I have had customers throw soda at me and a few times I have been grabbed. I always got away as fast as possible and called the management and the police.

Any links to a video of the incident? From what I hear a beverage was thrown from a distance. He should take a shower instead of throwing a punch.
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SmileyBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:36 AM
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6. Yah, and Pistons fans are all high and mighty, right??
I have never seen such behaviour from fans.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:53 AM
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19. tru dat..
but I hope that fan got the shit kicked out of him, along with his fine, and/or jail time. There is NO excuse for that kind of behavior. No excuse whatsoever.
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huellewig Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 02:11 AM
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22. well shit..
Tossing a plastic cup with beer in it should result in the shit kicked out of him. Your world of justice is one I don't want to live in.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 03:16 AM
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25. too many people have it in their heads that merely purchasing..
a ticket gives them license to act like complete assholes. For instance, the woman who had her nose broken after Frank Francisco tossed that chair in the stands. She and her husband admitted that the reason they bought those seats was so that they could harass the players. If I had been sitting in their section, I would have probably taken a swing at her husband myself.

If enough people get their ass kicked in that fashion, perhaps it will give others pause to consider their actions. I have ZERO sympathy for drunken assholes. I've dealt with them most of my adult life.
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craiga86 Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:55 AM
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20. In all fairness....
If my hometeam such as the Carolina Panthers or Charlotte Bobcats (yeah they suck right now) ever had fans act anything like this, I would be completely embarassed!
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