I'm tired of it!

[buckettgirl]

If you hate the holidays or are using political reasons not to celebrate them, I don't want to hear it anymore.
What the hell doesn't matter? Just because you're depressed and hate the world doesn't mean the rest of us are.
Get over yourself. If you can't find your own personal reasons to be thankful on Thanksgiving then I guess you don't really appreciate what you have.
You don't have to buy into the corporate b.s. to celebrate either.
Holidays are about family, if you can't see that, then I guess you're screwed. And if you don't have family, you are more than welcome to celebrate with mine!
Think of that instead of trying to be a martyr for your cause, especially when it isn't going to matter on any kind of big scale.
:argh:

[ohiosmith]

1. Good one BG. Could not have been said better.

[skygazer]

2. Get over YOURSELF

Some of us do have a really hard time getting through the holidays. It's not made easier by the fact that we are bombarded with reminders of it 24/7 from Halloween on. I don't hate the world and I don't begrudge you enjoying this time of year but don't act like you're somehow suffering because I'm going through some really shitty fucking depression. Sorry, would you prefer that I went away and quietly shot myself? :wtf:

[buckettgirl]

6. I know people have hard times getting through the holidays

My husband and mother-in-law are some of those people. They don't hate it, and would love to celebrate, but find it hard not to be depressed because: my husband's son died right before thanksgiving in 98 and my husband's niece died right after thanksgiving of the same year.
That kind of stuff isn't what I'm taking about. Its those people who are rejecting any kind of notion of celebrating with family in whatever way they wish BECAUSE of walmart, or bush, or repulicans, or whatever.
And yes, I do hate the fact the everywhere we go, the christmas is being shoved down our throat, even before the beginning of october - because that certainly isn't what holidays are supposed to be about (consumerism).

[glarius]

16. I understand your viewpoint much better after reading this post and I

agree with you about "those people who are rejecting any kind of notion of celebrating with family in whatever way they wish BECAUSE of walmart, or bush, or repulicans, or whatever."....:)

[liberal al zib]

7. Relax.

[Padraig18]

3. An old Irish saying... (translated)

"If every man put his troubles into one heap, and could choose which ones to take home with him, he'd take the ones he put there in the first place."

Everyone has a reason to be thankful.

:)

[damntexdem]

4. I'm tired of this.

If you hate the complaints about the holidays or the use of political reasons not to celebrate them, I don't want to hear it anymore. What the hell doesn't matter? Just because you're not depressed and don’t hate the world doesn't mean the rest of us feel the same. Get over yourself. If you can't find your own personal reasons to hate Thanksgiving then I guess you don't really appreciate that other people do.

Happy Turkey Day, everyone!

[liberal al zib]

10. Enjoy life and be happy

[damntexdem]

21. You forgot "don't worry."

;-)

[liberal al zib]

56. This too.

[glarius]

5. Sorry but you don't sound very empathetic to me.....

Put yourself in the shoes of those who have nothing to celebrate or be thankful for...Perhaps this is their only means of releasing their anxiety or sadness....Anyway, our Thanksgiving was a month ago, and I wish you all a happy one....:)

[buckettgirl]

8. I'm alive....

even if I had *nothing* that is still something.

[glarius]

11. Some people are so down they can not see it that way

We are not all born with the same abilities to cope...:)

[Niche]

9. Think it's about the supporting it financially part

which some of us live our lives daily not supporting. The family part is about love and support - can't buy that at Walmart. Lots of Peace and Love for the holidays all!:hug:

[yellowdogintexas]

12. Thank you

I for one am looking forward to tomorrow's big dinner with my husband's (unfortunately Republican) family. They all know where we stand and I doubt we will talk much about it. If they try I will just tell them I don't want to talk about it, and we will talk about something else, like the new baby coming in March, or my daughter's current art projects, or TV shows, recipes, books, etc.

If they get hung up on the Cowboys, there will be others like me who don't give a hang about the game and we will play Chickenfoot on the dining room table. Maybe we will take the kids to a movie and then come home and play Chickenfoot and eat leftovers. My nephew's 8 year old adores my daughter so she will be hanging on everything Margaret does!

Christmas means my husband will be in for a week or so from Wyoming and we will be busy doing fun things while he is here. I will have some kind of gathering so he can see all his brothers, sister, nephews, etc.
(of course then I have to clean house which I have not been in the mood to do for some time)

Tonight I will set my roll dough to rise, prep my asparagus for steaming, put my squash casserole together so I can pop it in the oven in the morning and enjoy that I am cooking for someone besides just myself and my daughter. These are all part of what Thanksgiving rituals are all about.

Friday night I will meet up with a bunch of my church (liberal) friends and we will watch the "Parade of Lights" together and then go eat barbecue at Angelo's. (We used to march in this parade as a group so this is an extension of an old tradition).

I will not go shopping. I will start getting things ready for the Christmas decorations to go up. I will definitely go to a movie or two if my daughter wants to join me.

NEXT WEEK I will go shopping with Sunday School class money, for a poor family that we have adopted for Christmas (one of several families, actually), and I will go to our annual auction party where we will all buy stuff from one another to raise money for next year's budget. I am donating homemade cakes (which people can order when they need them), a wine basket, and some other odds and ends I have collected through the year for this purpose.

But I will not let this election keep me from enjoying this holiday. That is truly giving Shrub way too much power over me.

and it was truly invigorating to write this!

Thank you for the opportunity to do so. I feel better!!!

[Susang]

13. Ignore function works really well

Perhaps you might want to try it in this case if it bothers you so much?

[Phillycat]

14. No shit.

How many times have I seen, in the past week or so, people posting about their troubles say "God, I'm thankful DU is here so that I can share about what's going on with me and people are so supportive"? About a gazillion. This place has saved my life before.

To the OP: if you don't like it, go someplace else. We are here for each other. And it really pisses me off that you would discount someone else's true feelings. These people are my friends. Screw you.

[buckettgirl]

17. There are plenty of people here

who are looking forward to the holidays.

I don't give a damn about walmart, bush, republicans, or anything political right now because tomorrow is a HOLIDAY.

I think it is pretty damn ignorant to sit here and say "i'm not gonna celebrate ANY holidays until bush is out of office"

How damn dumb. Holidays aren't supposed to be political. And I am tired of hearing these people attempt to be a martyr just because its a holiday - especially when it is done in a tone that is rather nasty and makes the rest of us sound bad because we aren't doing the same thing.

[Phillycat]

19. All right, let me try to clarify what you're saying here.

For example, a friend of mine posted here earlier that she is sad because she doesn't get to spend Thanksgiving with her estranged son. Or, I personally am going to be spending Thanksgiving alone because I have no one to spend it with. We are sad. Holidays are hard. If you are talking about people like us, then I repeat my insult.

If you are talking about something else, then nevermind.

[buckettgirl]

24. Apparently you didn't read my other post

"My husband and mother-in-law are some of those people. They don't hate it, and would love to celebrate, but find it hard not to be depressed because: my husband's son died right before thanksgiving in 98 and my husband's niece died right after thanksgiving of the same year.
That kind of stuff isn't what I'm taking about. Its those people who are rejecting any kind of notion of celebrating with family in whatever way they wish BECAUSE of walmart, or bush, or repulicans, or whatever."

I am very empathetic for those who have a hard time with the holidays. And if I could, I would have all of you who are going to be alone tomorrow come to my house! Its not fair that it HAS to be that way for some people.
I am talking about the political issues people are having with holidays.
sorry for confusion

[Susang]

25. Did you notice that you are on a political website?

You weren't expecting politics to enter into discussions relating to holidays, etc.?

[buckettgirl]

28. I'm the louge, not general discussion

not everything here is political, honey.

[Susang]

35. Everything is political

To not realize that is naive at best.

[Phillycat]

30. I have to agree with you Susang.

Regardless of how the OP poster meant this thread, I think it's BS. If people don't want to participate with a holiday because it goes against their political beliefs, I think that's perfectly valid. What right does the OP have to be the arbiter of what people can and cannot post?

Edit: and she's moved right into offensive and ignorant by condescendingly calling you "honey". Forget it, I'm leaving this thread. Meet you in the apple pie thread? Mmmmmmmmm, apple pie...

[skygazer]

20. This is a message board with over 50000 people on it

Not everyone is going to agree with you and you are not going to agree with everyone else. Just because you think it's dumb doesn't mean that it's not valid to others. How narrow minded.

If you're tired of it, don't read those posts. If it bothers you, ignore it. If you think it makes you and others sound bad, maybe that's your problem.

Rather than post pissy messages that make it sound like you think your way of thinking is the only sensible way, why not just ignore those posts and enjoy your holiday.

[buckettgirl]

26. I don't care if anyone agrees with me

I'm not here to make friends.
But it is very ignorant for people to say they won't celebrate the holidays until the next four years are up, or they won't celebrate the holidays because walmart is root of all evil. or whatever.
If thats all you can say about the holidays, that is just plain ignorant.

[skygazer]

29. You're not here to make friends

You call the people who would like to make a political point with the holidays ignorant. And you don't want to see politics mentioned in The Lounge.

Just why are you here?

[buckettgirl]

37. trying to make a political point at the holidays

doesn't matter, or make any difference. Just like people who boycott walmart (which I don't necessarily disagree with), it doesn't hurt walmart, they aren't ever going to put walmart out of business.
Just like not celebrating the holidays isn't going to get bush out office any sooner or bring the troops home any faster.
Its a waste of time to let politics rule at a time when other things should come first.

[Susang]

40. Interesting logic

Though incredibly subjective, you must realize. After all, how do you know what "other things must come first" in other people's lives? Awfully presumptious of you, don't you think to make decisions for them based on your own personal values?

[buckettgirl]

47. If you have family

and I mean a fairly close family, not family who hates each other or whatever else, then I would hope that your family would come first.
It never fails to amaze me when people seem to prioritize their values so poorly. Politics before family? IMO! thats crazy!

[Susang]

49. "You" does not equal "everyone"

Why is that concept so hard to grasp? :freak:

[buckettgirl]

50. Did I say that? NO I didn't

No, everyone isn't going to prioritize their values like me or YOU for that matter. But of course, you can't tell me that there aren't people who prioritize their values VERY poorly.

[skygazer]

51. True

Like people who will argue to the death about anything just to (try to) piss off the people they're arguing with.

What are you, 12?

[Susang]

52. Once again, you seemed to have missed the point

I will a little less obtuse this time around.

Just because you have certain values and beliefs and consider them important, it is unfair of you to expect others to place the things YOU consider most important high on THEIR list of values and beliefs.

Your saying that people prioritize their values poorly does not make it so. It is merely your opinion, that you've made no attempt to back up, other than repeating over and over again ad nauseum, that people who don't put their families first at the holidays prioritize their values poorly. You even seem surprised that politics would be discussed on a political web forum.

If people who bring up politics on the holidays bring you down, just don't read their threads or posts. If you can't ignore them, as you claimed, engage them in discussion, that's what DU is for. Otherwise, I don't know what to tell you. I don't think anyone's going to shut up about politics on a progressive political website just because you are annoyed. Sorry.

[buckettgirl]

15. I would gladly use it but....

When I come across such things, in multiple posts by different users, then ignore becomes kind of useless.

[Susang]

18. No offense

But if you don't like the subject line of the thread, and these types of threads usually are pretty clear about what they are, you don't have to read it. Really.

I don't like the poop threads. I don't click on them. Therefore, I don't have to read them and they don't annoy me and I don't feel compelled to post my own threads about how much they annoy me. It really is that simple.

[buckettgirl]

22. I do avoid those threads too

But the thing is, I found messages like these in some innocent threads where the message probably shouldn't have been posted.

[Susang]

23. "where the message probably shouldn't have been posted"

That's an interesting statement.

[5X]

27. hey BouguetWoman

didn't mean to start so much trouble with
my earlier thread.

sorry.

[buckettgirl]

31. That's Mrs. Buckettgirl to you.

I unfortunately stumbled onto your thread expecting to see that someone was unable to celebrate for reasons beyond their control: i.e. money, no family, or this is just a hard time of the year.
But NNNOOOOO
The world doesn't stop turning just because shit happens. If you want to let all this election crap ruin your holidays and let bush have this kind of control over your live, then I really do pity you for not being able to see any other meaning that political during the holidays.

on edit: and yours wasn't the only post I've seen like this either

[5X]

33. shrub and walmart don't control me

and you shouldn't let what I do or feel have so much of
an affect on you.

I personally don't wish to celebrate, I am not trying to
impose that on anybody.

[skygazer]

34. Wow

You know, I have to thank you. I was feeling really down about the holidays. Major depression, you know - it's a killer.

But I feel a lot better now. You have so much more hostility inside you than I do that I feel lighter and happier already. I had no idea a person could get so worked up over other people's plans or beliefs, especially such innocuous ones as injecting a little political edge into their holiday plans.

Thanks for putting it all in perspective for me!

[Susang]

36. I am very thankful this Thanksgiving

That I am not that angry. ;-)

[Phillycat]

38. Yup, me too.

Good god. You can practically here her gnashing her teeth as she types.

[skygazer]

39. Keeps it right up, too

Check out #37. In which I'm instructed yet again how her view is the only correct one.

Did you say there was an apple pie thread around? ;)

[Phillycat]

44. Posted by Amaya! I've got one about cowbells, too!

Your choice! :)

[Susang]

46. Needs more, right?

Always needs more cowbell!

[Phillycat]

48. Yup.

Someone posted the link to the original skit and I laughed like a hyena watching it. Fucking classic.

[buckettgirl]

41. Not hardly

Actually, I am quite amused at what you people are willing to say. I'll argue anything to the death with anyone. I don't care. You want to keep posting, I'll keeping choosing the opposite side just to piss you off, doesn't matter if I believe it or not.

[Phillycat]

42. Wow, that makes you a real winner.

Welcome to my ignore list. Sounds like a complete waste of time to me to deal with you at all. Bye now! :hi:

[Susang]

43. "you people"

Folks, we have a winner! :toast:

[skygazer]

45. Honey

(I'll get condescending here, too, why not?)

Honey, believe me, you aren't pissing anyone off. You've got us all rolling in the aisles.

[sonicx]

53. "you people"?

what people would that be?

[Phillycat]

32. DO NOT APOLOGIZE.

You are allowed to post whatever you want, whenever you want, as long as it does not break DU rules, which your thread most certainly didn't. Disregard what the self-imposed arbiters of the board have to say. They are all up in your business for no reason just to be jerks, when they could just as easily quietly click out of the thread and go about their lives.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

54. Just be grateful that you're so happy and grateful

and that your happiness and gratefulness ooze from you like
cranberry sauce and brighten and fill this thread and the
whole wide world.

[demnan]

55. I agree

And it doesn't mean you don't care if you have a family holiday. I'm still going to go to demonstrations and the counter-Inaugural and I still care about the poor, but I also care about my family and I want to do what I can to cheer them up after this disaster that just happened.

[Roon]

57. I just had to bail out of my chat room..

because of all the negative nellies in there. What's up with all you Captain Bringdowns?