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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:40 PM
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Poor Table Manners Lead to Stabbings at TG dinner
WORCESTER, Mass. -- A man was charged with stabbing two relatives after they allegedly criticized his table manners during Thanksgiving dinner.

Police said the fight broke out Thursday when Gonzalo Ocasio, 49, and his 18-year-old son, Gonzalo Jr., reprimanded Frank Palacious for picking at the turkey with his fingers, instead of slicing off pieces with a knife.

Palacious, 24, described by police only as an uncle, allegedly responded by stabbing them with a carving knife.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-thanksgiving-stabbings,0,3797093.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:44 PM
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1. Maybe he was trying to emulate the Pilgrims
Eating with the fingers was the way it was done in 1620. The first fork didn't make it to these shores for nine years, and then was looked upon with suspicion. People commonly used their knifes and fingers to slice off pieces of meat, which they placed on a carved out piece of wood called a trencher. The napkins were as huge as big dishtowels are today, because they were used to wipe the grease off the fingers. Baskets called voiders were used to place bones, bits of gristle, etc.

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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:45 PM
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4. you majored in history didn't you?
we have people like you in my family.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:59 PM
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7. Believe it or not, no
My major was education, my minor art. I just like history.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 05:53 PM
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18. Me too
History is a lot of fun. It was my minor in college.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:44 PM
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2. Yes, but did he use the proper knife when he stabbed them?
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chiffon Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 01:20 PM
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11. mm-hmmm
too funny!
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:45 PM
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3. :snicker: I'm sorry..............Bwahhhhhhhhh
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:46 PM
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5. Well, that redefines the condiment known as Worcester sauce...
:puke:
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:57 PM
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6. Worcestershire... n/t
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 01:15 PM
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10. What's bizarre, is that it's pronounced "wooster", or if you live
In the Boston area, "woostah"

Don't confuse it with Dorchester, which is pronounced as spelled (again, in the Boston area, it's "doachestah"
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wellstone dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 01:07 PM
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8. I just emailed this to my sister
with a thanks that she didn't stab me when I took the green beans with my fingers.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 01:09 PM
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9. I think it's in very poor taste to stab someone at the dinner table
Signed,

Miss Manners
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 01:51 PM
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12. Well, they wanted him to use a knife n/t
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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:13 PM
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13. When I worked in retail I would be massively tired for holiday meals
For some reason, my dad thought it was necessary to point out my 'Table Manner Fuck-ups', like not sitting up straight or forward at the table, an inability to keep up conversation ("shut up asshat! I'm trying to not slouch. Or absent-mindedly, due to sheer exhaustion, rest my forearms or elbows on the fucking sacred table top!"). In my 30s. In front of everyone. After working weeks of 12-14 hour days. With the public. An hour past closing on Christmas Eve.

One year I shut him the fuck up for good. "So it's good manners, then, for YOU to criticise MY manners? Look Dad, your girlfriend is resting HER elbows on the table. Are you going to tell her about it?" I asked.

:evilgrin:

I never thought of stabbing him thought. THAT would have been rude.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:14 PM
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14. So much for POLITICS being divisive, eh?
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:16 PM
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15. Ach...I thought this would mean
that someone stabbed the one with the crap table manners...now THAT I could undertand. :P
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:18 PM
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16. How rude, unkosher, and unsanitary
Everyone knows you should never use a food-handling utensil on something that isn't food. If you must stab someone over Thanksgiving dinner you must use your own personal knife.

Call PolitenessMan.
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mr.jack Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:20 PM
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17. Good question for Miss Manners
What would be the proper etiquette after the stabbing?
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