big fight w/hypocritical Nader supporter who voted for Kerry, regrets it

[freeplessinseattle]

blames the "Democratic Party" for not having a good enough candidate, if "they" stuck to their ideals more, we'd have Nader, but no, "they' have to go and nominate someone who says things based on polling, all Dems suck, blah blah, (btw, he doesn't believe my fraud theories, says I've been "reading the internet too much".

The reason he started going off on me is b/c I mentioned I was going to try to see if I could do the recount training tomorrow for Gregoire, and somehow I'm a traitor to my true Democratic ideals, it's b/c of people like me that this country will never have a decent candidate, no difference between dems and rethugs, you've all heard this before..and yet he voted for Kerry this time bc he did think * would be worse, and I'm a bad person b/c I campaigned for him? aaargh, I know you've all heard this before, and I have a couple of other friends like that, too, but they don't paint me as a bad person perpetuating the decline of democracy, that is so insulting, I mean we do what we can given the realities of the need to appeal to a large portion of voters, and maybe our ideals differ, but I know I have a better chance of having my ideals come to fruition, even partially, and help work towards changing the general public's ideals and acceptance of a Nader candidate, it's playing the game just to keep alive, and maintain a chance for progression rather than having an all or nothing attitude. It's like someone who thinks that if they don't get an A then why bother, when they could have chosen to accept a B or even a C instead of letting an F ruin things.

anyway, just had to vent to people who understand, and maybe some of you can relate also to one his more annoying statements:

"You're young, I thought like that to when I was your age" aaaaargh! (I'm 32 btw, not that it should matter, if I was older than him I'd be old-fashioned or something, but I really hate it when people try to dismiss my opinions with the age thing, that is so unfair and condenscending, and a cop-out. well, guess there's a reason I hadn't contacted this friend in a year, but damn do I get tired of the age card. will I ever outgrow it?

[GRLMGC]

1. That's annoying

I'm sorry you had to deal w/ that.

[freeplessinseattle]

2. Thank you, it felt good to at least vent and be heard and understood:)

[Zuni]

3. Fuck them

I am sick of the 'pure left' crowd that thinks they are so above the rest of us 'brainwashed' democrats

[freeplessinseattle]

6. I hear ya, if they really cared as deeply they'd get off their high horse

and work systemically, which you'd think they'd be able to comprehend since they're the greatest environmentalists and all, but irony reigns. *sigh*

and I have to say, I don't see why if I got older I would understand that sticking stubbornly to ideals will make a difference-if anything the passage of time will show me that is a naive way that ignores the reality of a large mass of people that don't share the exact same viewws with the same level of passion, it's all well and good to say that if all dems followed their ideals they'd vote for Nader, when we here on planet earth know that's not true, a lot of dems are more moderate or somewhere in between, or truly believe in politicians, I personally liked Kerry, I would have tweaked things here and there, but life is not perfect and we need to work with what we've got rather than giving in to a pessimistic attitude, which is what thre purists do-well if I can't get exactly what I want then everything else sucks equally. phhhhhbt!!

[Guaranteed]

4. I don't know about that grade analogy.

A loss is a loss is a loss. We need some leadership.

I don't care to go Green in my ideals. But I know what my ideals are, and I want Democratic leadership who will stand up for them.

[freeplessinseattle]

5. I mean that a loss is the F, does that make sense? Bush is the F

[emulatorloo]

7. Yes, Bush's 1% victory is SO SIGNIFICANT! we are failures! (sarcasm off)

Tell your friend that if Kerry had won Ohio or Florida, he would be President Elect now.
And quite frankly I am not sure that Kerry didn't really win those states.