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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:01 AM
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Poll question: Penn and Teller poll
They're magicians, gadflies, and "rip-off artistes," and they piss off liberal and conservative alike. But, God, I love 'em. But what do YOU think, DUers?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:03 AM
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1. I love P&T
but I can't stand Penn's libertarian BS. He's not a dumb guy - I wish he'd read a little more.

Teller's so secretive - I have no idea what he's all about.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:07 AM
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5. I'm a bit libertarian myself...
...so I can sympathize with Penn, but my experience with government and human nature lead me to believe libertarianism only works if everyone involved has an IQ of at least 135. And even then you'll have problems.

Teller's a fairly private person, but he does write the occasional column here and there. I met him once - I think mostly it's shyness. But I could be wrong.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:10 AM
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6. Bwahahaha!
"but my experience with government and human nature lead me to believe libertarianism only works if everyone involved has an IQ of at least 135."

That's great, I am SO stealing that, mmmk? :D

I get all of my best lines from DU.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:13 AM
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9. Run with it - it's yours!
:hug:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:26 AM
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10. Well put
In an ideal world, it would work. Here... not so much.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:04 AM
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2. I LOVE the Bullshit series
But I just to like 'magic' so that's why I don't enjoy there other type of shows.
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:05 AM
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3. saw them peform one time
the last act before intermissino was Penn getting in a barrel and then Teller pushed swords through the barrel. at intermission everyone in the audience was invited to pay a dollar (i think) to come and look at Penn in the barrel. i went up on stage and looked at him face to face sitting awkardly in that barrel with the swords going through it. kind of funny.
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jdots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:07 AM
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4. I coped with them till i paid for a book of thiers
atleast they do lame magic tricks because bad magic is better than no magic.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:12 AM
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7. critical thinking
Our side wins when people think critically instead of accepting the world at face value. So I appreciate what Penn and Teller do to encourage critical thinking and discourage magical thinking.

On the other hand, I wish they would do a little more critical thinking of their own when it comes to selecting "experts" for their TV show. I don't like how they used a guy from the Cato Institute as an unquestioned source.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:53 PM
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12. Penn's a closet right winger
He calls himself a libertarian ...
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:58 PM
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13. I Think You're Wrong
They have done some scathing attacks on right wing causes. I think Penn is an over the top Randian. Not that i think that's ok. But, he's not a right winger. He's just very close to out of his mind.
The Professor
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:59 PM
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14. He's definitely a Randi fan
P&T have run with James Randi on more than a few occasions - there's a great interview with Randi on the Bullshit! Season 1 DVD collection, too.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 04:21 PM
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16. I dunno
I thought I read that he supported bush in 2000... not sure about since then.
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Huckebein the Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:12 AM
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8. Love Penn & Teller: Bullshit ! on Showtime
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:51 PM
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11. Great performance on THE WEST WING
Though the flag burns, the Bill of Rights remains. Gotta love it.
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democracy eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 04:05 PM
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15. but did it actually burn? or appear to burn?
does it matter if people believe it burnt?

heh heh

sweet moment

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