A centuries-old question : Bavaria or Prussia

[Kellanved]

so?

or

remember: Bayern(Bavaria) is German for Texas... ;-)

[donco6]

1. Go Ludwig and Bavaria! eom

[JVS]

2. The real question is Prussia or Austria

Because Bavaria was never really a power player

[Kellanved]

4. well spotted

However there was always a cultural rivalry, which continues to this day.

[JVS]

6. The only reason that Bavaria can even be considered a big deal...

these days is that Prussia was offically outlawed after the war. The annexation of large parts of Swabia, Franconia and the Palatinate also have created a Bavaria that looms larger than it really should. Only with the death of the Prussian colosus could Bavaria come to be viewed as strong.

[Kellanved]

9. yup

From the Prussian perspective Bavaria was largely irrelevant; post war Bavaria is left, while Prussia is no more - of course. Even the possible re-creation of Prussia by the fusion of Berlin and Brandenburg would not change that.

The reason for this poll is actually an exhibition about the alleged Prussian envy on Bavaria currently on display in the Bavarian Embassy.

[madbelgiancow]

24. bavarian for me

the world seems to suggest "round form due to beer ingestion", hence i like it more.

See, history is my weak point.

[JVS]

3. I've lived in Bavaria and loved it, but gotta go with Prussia

out of loyalty to my ancestors.

[RPM]

7. Visited JVS in Bavaria - also loved it.... BUT....

as does my brother, I must go with my Prussian heritage. Love them both, however.

[pleiku52cab]

5. Gotta be Prussia. My granddad came from East Prussia.

Friend of mine once gave me a history of Prussia - with a note inside saying my family name not mentioned once so they must have all been farmers. Oh well.....

[RPM]

8. You have the greatest avatar ever....

I am jealous.

No, really - I am.

:-) Cheers!

[Kellanved]

15. I definetly do think so

But it seems to be an insider joke.

:toast:

It is not like it is copyrighted or anything ;-).

[RPM]

19. yeah - insider jokes are the best.

:toast:

I rue not getting the T-shirt when i was last in Berlin

[Kali]

10. Hi Kellanved!

Thanks for your advice before. I ended up having contact from other friends and ordered flowers together from over there so no wire charges and bigger plants. Also my friend and her mother are coming here for the holidays now!

And they say the same - Bavaria is German Texas. (Lots of Germans in Texas for that matter. Heck, one seems able to find Germans ANYWHERE!

Thanks again.

[Kellanved]

11. dupe, please ignore

I am sorry that I was not able to really help you. Good to hear tht you did find a way.
:hi:

[Kellanved]

12. dupe, please ignore

I am sorry that I was not able to really help you. Good to hear taht you did find a way.
:hi:

[Kellanved]

13. Good to hear

I am sorry that I was not able to really help you. Good to hear that you did find a way.
:hi:

[bobbieinok]

14. heard once in Germany

Germany doesn't really have 'a capital' like other European countries; it has several.

Frankfurt = the financial capital

Hamburg = the media capital

Duesseldorf = the business/trade capital

Berlin = the political capital

Munich = the fun capital

[Kellanved]

16. something is definitely wrong with that list

Munich is about as much fun as a root canal. Well, maybe if you are into beer halls; the city does have it's fans.

Berlin certainly is the capital in culture, politics and fun; the media is currently split between Hamburg and Berlin (with Hamburg holding the edge).

[bobbieinok]

32. heard this in 91...personally, I like Berlin much better than Munich

I'm now retired. My plan was to spend 2+ months every other year (at a minimum) in Germany after retirement. Berlin was high on my list.

So now I have rheumatoid arthritis and a slipped disk.....much walking or standing is not much fun. My memories of many German trips: I had to MOVE to see everything I might want to see.

sigh

Favorite German cities: Berlin, Marburg, Goettingen, Hamburg. I found Leipzig quite intriguing.

I would love to spend more time in Vienna; I was there only ca 10 days years ago.

[St. Jarvitude]

18. Munich has one of the largest red light districts in the world

At least, it's by far the biggest I've seen in my life.

For our high school's Europe (and by that I mean Austria) trip, we stayed in Munich the last night. My hotel (Hotel Präsident Hotel Präsident Schwanthalerstraße) was right smack dab in the middle of strip clubs, porno booths, and what I guess you could call "bordellos". We were strictly forbidden from being out at night after our visit to the Hofbräuhaus, but there was never an explanation why.

The strange thing is that this hotel had pictures of a few random presidents... I think I saw Ray-gun and Boosh I. I wonder, did they stay at this hotel? And if so, why? :shrug:

:evilgrin:

[Magrittes Pipe]

17. Bayernische Bier es besser.

[CBHagman]

20. Probieren Sie mal das Rauchbier in Bamberg.

I don't know, gang. I have a soft spot for Bavaria, or at least Franconia, which is a lovely area and has some extremely nice people.

Also, to be fair, one does associate Bavaria with Catholicism (love those churches and Tilman Riemenschneider sculptures) and Oktoberfest, and Prussia with humorlessness and militarism. Sigh. The battle continues.

[Kellanved]

25. that association is quite interesting

Because it is extremely common.
Nobody ever associates Prussia with Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Career, Free Mandatory Schools, Health care, no child labor, and World class Philosophy and Science.
Of course the militarism is just as true, but that was just as present in Bavaria (which always was the home of the extreme RW - unlike the "red" Prussia).

[Kellanved]

21. arguably

IMHO the Bavarians are unable to produce a decent Pils (despite inventing it). No argument on the Weizens, though.

The northern beer is superior as far as I am concerned. One of the nasty side-effects of the purity law, is that the Belgian/Dutch Brewing tradition has largely died out, despite it's deep roots in today's Brandenburg.

[madbelgiancow]

23. now how did I know this was REALLY about beer?

lol

[Kellanved]

26. ahem -what else?

:shrug:

[madbelgiancow]

27. Well could have been about the difference between the two

in terms of culture, history or bearing on the present RW.

And like I said, I" know nothing" (Manuel from Fawlty Towers) so that's why I kept it to beer.

:toast:

[Magrittes Pipe]

28. Don't forget Doppelbock.

The BEST beer in the world is brewed by Belgians, IMO. But the best German beer is Bavarian.


Although a nice Berliner Weiss with the green shit can be quite yummy.

[Aristus]

22. Bavaria because of Kitzingen.

A nice little town 20km east of Wurzburg. Nice people, great beer and, of course, the "Leaning Tower of Kitzingen". :-)

[bobbieinok]

33. Wurzburg .... another great city: the bridge and the museum in the castle

all the Riemenschneider sculptures

[njdemocrat106]

29. Bayern, na klar! (nt)

[JohnKleeb]

30. Bavaria

[WMliberal]

31. Other. Brandenburg Uber Alles!!!!!!!