Sources: Paula Zahn Gripe Leads to Arrest

[LincolnMcGrath]

By LARRY McSHANE

Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK (AP) - An advocate for two red-tailed hawks evicted last week from their nest at a luxury Manhattan apartment building was arrested Tuesday and charged with harassing CNN anchor Paula Zahn, who lives in the building, and her family, law enforcement sources said.

Lincoln Karim, 43, was arrested by plainclothes detectives as he prepared to lead a demonstration outside Zahn's Fifth Avenue building across from Central Park.

Karim, a video engineer for Associated Press Television News who was on vacation Tuesday, was charged with multiple counts of aggravated harassment and one count of endangering the welfare of a child, said Paul Browne, spokesman for the police department.

Browne did not identify the complainant, but three law enforcement sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, identified her as Zahn.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-4673863,00.html

[saracat]

1. And what a surprise is that? Paula shows her true "fox" colors with this.

Proves she is the RW B-tch I always thought she was. Those hawks are legendary and she can't inconvience herself for them.I hope Mary Tyler Moore beats her up! LOL!

[Diane L]

2. Go Mary Go!

[saracat]

4. Mary was on CNN talking about how disgusting her neighbors were that

wanted to get rid of the hawks.She said she was the only one(Mary) that didn't want to disturb the birds. I didn't realize that Paula was one of those "neighbors". I think we should all email Paula and tell her what a b-tch she is!

[GRLMGC]

6. I already know what a b**** she is

This just reinforces my view of her.

[MisterP]

3. guards! remove the peon before he fouls the $80,000 mink rug!

[Xithras]

5. Look it up, that "advocate" attacked a 7 year old kid

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/32795.htm

Zahns husband is far more lenient than I. If the guy had gone after MY kids like that, he'd have required hospitalization.

[saracat]

7. BFD. If kids are that terrified by "yelling", too bad.

It is "what " the guy was yelling about that was important. I am so glad that the fate of those birds is so much less important than those kids should experience shouting. I am not sorry for Paula, the kids or the husband. No one was hurt. Big deal. She signed the petition to get rid of the birds. She is a bitch and sounds like her family isn't far behind. They sure think a lot of themselves.

[Xithras]

8. Wow, aren't you a monster

Look, despite the whining of the protesters, this bird will be FINE. Even if the board hadn't ALREADY decided to put the strips back up, the simple fact is that these nests in nature rarely last a decade like this one. Birds are used to rebuilding their nests, and Pale Male is no exception. If he couldn't put it back in the same spot, he'd have just built it somewhere else. The bird was in no danger, and since it won't be nesting anytime soon anyway, it has plenty of time to rebuild.

Anyone who thinks that it's OK to terrorize small children because a stupid bird was slightly inconvenienced DESERVES to sit in a jail cell.

[saracat]

9. The monster is Zahn.

Terrorize small children? The eldest was eleven. The seven year old might have been frightened, but "terrified'? Please. And this wasn't a "stupid bird" . This was "Pale Male". This is a legend and part of the history of New York and far more important to the city's history than a few tears shed by a spolied brat. If any tears were shed and if anyone was scared, which I doubt. Parents who teach their kids to to have such a lack of respect for wildlife( which Zahn did by signing the petition) and to be so selfish deserve to be in a jail cell. Too bad she was allowed to breed.

[Xithras]

11. Terrified was the right word

The 11 year old was mature enough to recognize a harmless freak when he saw one, but for a grown adult to run up and start screaming at a 7 year old child, especially in a city with a murder rate like New Yorks, it IS terrifying for them.

Besides, I'm finding all of this whining about the environment rather hypocritical on the part of New Yorkers. They live in the middle of one of the biggest environmental disasters on the face of the Earth, and they are whining because one building removed one nest? Do you really consider a single bird that hunts pigeons in your faux forest to be an important part of your cities history?

It's a WILD BIRD, not a pet! It knows how to survive, and will rebuild its nest elsewhere if it cannot use the same spot again. Wild hawks typically rebuild their nests every few years anyway, and if he's fit to breed again HE WILL DO SO.

The whole controversy over this bird is just silly emotionalism.

[saracat]

13. And the overprotective whining about the ultra sensibilities of a

pampered rich kid is just nauseating. That is true emotionalism. Oh, but the childern! from the same people who don't give a rats ass about chils abuse or children starving. But Paula's brat shouldn't be exposed to shouting? Or someone with a different point of view than it's parent's? Please.And I won't even go into the hawk misinfo. And yes , Pale Male is important to the City's history.

[Pithlet]

18. But, we must not protest!

Protesting must be made illegal, and all protesters jailed, because they make kids cry.

Honestly, I don't know what happened. If he physically encountered those kids, then he should have been arrested. But, without having known what happened, I don't know that this arrest wasn't an overreaction because a rich well known celebrity was the one that made the complaint.

[Xithras]

23. He didn't attack Zahn, he attacked the kid directly.

As a parent, you're making it awfully tough for me to avoid personal attacks so this will probably be my last post in this thread.

If the guy had been yelling and screaming at Zahn and the kids had happened to be there, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But this 7 year old kid came outside WITHOUT HIS MOM, to walk his damned dog, and this guy saw fit to run up and start screaming at him. He verbally attacked a CHILD to get to his MOTHER. That is criminal and the guy deserves to be in jail. Period. If you don't see any problem with what he did, then you have some serious sociopathic issues to work out.

As for my hawk "misinfo". Unlike most of the bleeding hearts getting all worked up over this, my knowledge comes from more than a few soundbytes on the radio, a 30 minute PBS documentary, and an emotional movie. I grew up in farm country where hawk and falcon nests aren't uncommon and know full well how they live in the wild. My sister was also a wildlife biology major at UC Davis, participated in a major raptor population and breeding study before graduation, and is an avian flyway specialist with the California EPA today. We discussed Pale Male when we went Christmas shopping last weekend, and she said flat out that the controvery is silly. He built that nest once, and it won't hurt him to build it again somewhere else. Had he been anywhere other than NYC, he'd have built four or five nests in the lifetime of this one nest.

To attack people, especially a child, over something so trivial is just stupid.

[miss_kitty]

26. "He didn't attack Zahn, he attacked the kid directly."

You were there? You saw it happen?

[Xithras]

33. Zahn wasn't there.

It's hard to argue otherwise when it was just the kid and his nanny. There were obviously witnesses.

[miss_kitty]

39. "There were obviously witnesses."

An assumption. Why not assume they are truth tellers as well?

[saracat]

38. I love how you capitalize WITHOUT HIS MOM. Ooh! He was with his

Nanny. They were both walking his dog. Next you will want the Nanny penalized for not protecting the child from shouting! the older boy was with his father. Neither child was without ADULT SUPERVISION. Sheesh. You make it sound as if the children were infants wandering the streets when they were attacked by an abusive adult. You have ni idea about what happened in this situation or to whom the advocate was directing his remarks. My guess is he was not speaking to the kids. But hey, it makes a better story if he was. Even if it is silly.All this is is a turnabout to make this story about a poor little rich kid who had to hear loud voices. Gawd.

[medeak]

19. lurking are we?

apparently that's what you put in your profile?

[joeybee12]

45. Get some facts before you post next time

Pale Male was there for 15 years--yup, he's an old bird, so if you think he just might rebuild like any other young one is ludicrous.

As for your saying the guy threaten the kids--pulleeze--you're getting that from the NY Post. All he did was hold a protest.

Nice to know you're sticking up for the whore Zahn.

[pretzel4gore]

so wild hawks in the big city are in no danger?

the hawks have more rights to a place to live and be then the like of zahn, who needs a good asskicking just for betraying her country etc...also, if the hawks are hurt or something, can they call 911? how about zahn? zahn advocates thec mass murder of lil children in afghanistan/iraq and so on...so what's the problem of someone yelling at hers?

[Xithras]

31. I NEVER said that I liked Zahn

But there is NO excuse for ANYBODY from ANY side of the political spectrum to be attacking children, verbally, physically, or mentally.

Are you seriously saying that it's OK to abuse and terrorize the children of people that you don't like?

[saracat]

40. You don't KNOW that anything happened to them.

I , in fact , have shouted at strangers children, when I have seen them engaging in wanton acts of destruction with their parents doing nothing. Is that terrorizing them? I have seen kids deliberately smashing flowers and griding them with their heels in a garden dept. while the parents idly continued to shop. I called it to the attention of a parent who told me it was not my business. I got a manger after telling the kids to stop. I didn't yell, but I wasn't nice. So lock me up too!

[pretzel4gore]

41. yep

repukes like zahn have shown us that polittesse and manners are fuel to their hate filled shenanagins....so, in the spirit of rush limbah-humbug and the nazipoo nation i now resort to bottom feeder tactics, even if lil ones are sent away in tears!
:(
that's how mad they make me

[Calico Jack Rackham]

10. Uhhh I saw no incidence of any "Attacks" taking place.

Oh and BTW if you sent this guy to the hospital for shouting you'd also be taking a little trip to prison.

Some of you folks need to lighten up.

[Xithras]

12. So you don't believe in verbal abuse?

Abused women across the country will appreciate your dismissal of their plights.

And yes, if somebody ran up to my kid and started screaming at him, he would get beaten for it. My kids well being is worth far more to me than the well being of some total stranger. And if that stranger has made the decision that someones well being was going to get trampled, then I'm going to do my damnest to make sure that it's HIS.

[saracat]

15. It might be that your children's overprotection is not as important to

others as the pursuit of a meaningful stand for the preservation of animal life. I am frankly tired of people putting their kids rights over everyone else's. Pale Ale has as much right to exist as those kids. Maybe more as he is a real innocent and no telling what those kids will grow up to be!

[Xithras]

25. But there was nothing MEANINGFUL about it!

First, the decision had ALREADY been made to put the spikes back.

Second, this seven year old kid had NOTHING to do with the controversy. His opinion didn't matter, so the verbal attack happened for no reason.

Third, you and others here make it sound like they killed the poor bird. He's not even USING the nest this time of year, and he has plenty of time to build a new one.

[Calico Jack Rackham]

16. "Bring back the nest! Bring back the birds!"

Please indicate the abusive remarks in this statement. the article also does not state what the protestors proximity was to the kids. Once again , please show me where the verbal abuse occured in both of these exchanges. You can also go further and indicate where anyones well being was put into jeopardy with these remarks.

Like I said, in this exact situation YOU would be going to jail for assault.

[Pithlet]

20. Was this verbal abuse?

Or was the arrest an overreaction pandering to a well known rich celebrity? If all the guy did was stand in front of the building and shout about saving the birds, then that is not verbal abuse. I'm a woman who's been verbally abused, by the way.

[Xithras]

29. There were plenty of witnesses

From what I've seen, there have been crowds at the building almost nonstop since the bird was evicted. If he hadn't done anything wrong, and if the witnesses didn't back up Zahns testimony, then I doubt that they'd have arrested the guy and charged him with stalking, aggravated harassment and endangering the welfare of a child (and if they did, then you New Yorkers have far bigger problems to deal with than a bird nest).

Based on the other behavior he displayed, I'm inclined to disbelieve any claims that he was sitting across the street quietly chanting a slogan. Whatever he did, he scared the hell out of the kid. That's unnacceptable.

[Pithlet]

30. That's not how reality works.

You doubt they would have arrested him and charged him, but you'd be wrong.

And, I'm not a New Yorker. Innocent people are arrested all the time. Not just in New York. That is why we actually have trials to determine if they actually did anything. Arrest does not equal guilt.

[Xithras]

32. It's the charge that got me.

If they just wanted to get him off the street, they could have just pegged him with disorderly conduct and locked him away for 48 hours. Those are some fairly serious charges they threw at him, and I seriously doubt that they would lodge them without at least SOME corroborating evidence. I'm not saying that he's guilty as charged, but it doesn't sound like he's exactly an innocent party here either.

[Pithlet]

34. But it's a celebrity involved

I can seriously see them piling on the charges because of that. I don't know what happened. It is possible this guy did something to warrant the charges. I just don't think that the fact the charges exist and that he was arrested points at all to his guilt or makes him more suspect.

[Xithras]

36. I'll accede that point.

Look, I don't really care about the guy one way or the other. My participation in this argument is really to challenge the people HERE who seem to think that it's OK to verbally attack innocent children for ANY reason. Attacking children is never justifiable, despite opinions to the contrary expressed by some allegedly "tolerant" DU'ers. Abuse is abuse, no matter who the perpetrator OR the victim is.

[Pithlet]

37. I agree

It isn't ever okay to abuse a child. And, if that is what this guy did, he should have been arrested, regardless of what his issue was.

[Calico Jack Rackham]

44. Thats the whole point your argument misses.

I haven't seen anyone in this thread condone the attack or verbal abuse of children. The fact is that her kids were never attacked or abused verbally or physically.

Like you said abuse is abuse; however, this incident is not an example of it.

[Calico Jack Rackham]

35. What do you think the odds are

that Paula Zahn and her husband know some higher ups in the NYPD who could help them with their little "problem"? Believe me people who are connected know how to grease the wheels.

I suppose you think that Bernie Kerik using five homicide detectives to investigate the theft of his mistress' phone was a legitimate use of police resources?

[LincolnMcGrath]

14. HHMMM Is a Murdoch paper a credible source???

http://www.newscorp.com/index2.html

Since Paula WORKS for HIM.

K. Rupert Murdoch
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
News Corporation

[miss_kitty]

21. Ah yes. The NYPost-THAT Bastion of Accuracy

[qanda]

22. Sounds like he was being a jerk

I probably would of had him arrested also.

[miss_kitty]

24. Consider the Source of the reportage

The NYPost. Owned by Zahn's boss. You think that is an unbiased view of what happened? He owns FOX 'News' as well.

See my post #21.

[Placebo]

17. Poor Paula Zahn.

:(

[LeftyMom]

27. Yelling at a kid constitutes

"endangering the welfare of a child" now?

Being an asshole isn't a crime.

[LincolnMcGrath]

28. "Being an asshole isn't a crime"

And thank Jeebus it isn't! lol O8)

[peekaloo]

42. Can hawks be trained to attack?

:shrug:

just askin'

[LincolnMcGrath]

43. lol