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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 09:02 PM
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Vioxx Celebrex... who needs them?
I certainly don't.

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idiosyncratic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 09:21 PM
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1. Bextra is in the same class and it was wonderful for painful
tendonitis I developed last summer. The inflammation in my ankle immobilized me for weeks. I was very thankful for that Cox2 inhibitor at the time.
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AliciaKeyedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 09:40 PM
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2. Bextra is great
Vioxx did nothing for my injury. Bextra was perfect. No side effects, just muscle relief.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 10:31 PM
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3. Same for me --Bextra let me walk without pain again
No side effects at all. I don't know what I will do without it, if my doc stops prescribing it.
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Mabeline Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:04 PM
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4. Does it bother anyone else...
that drug companies are SO quick to throw new drugs out there...sure they test them...ON US..
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 01:47 AM
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14. And it's gonna get worse with Bush's people in the FDA
They're just gonna turn their heads from reports that indicate dangerous side-effects. Instead, they'll get THEIR people to do a contradictory study, that ignores the side-effects.

I think that was the case today, when they said that "one study" showed dangers with taking Celebrex, and "one" did not. The one that "did not" I'm guessing was paid for by Celebrex themselves.

And on something like pain-relievers, and arthritis medicines...where BIG bucks are involved...you bet they're gonna turn their heads and ignore the side-effects.
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firebee Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 03:43 AM
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17. Well... Crack dealers don't tell you about side effects.....
Why should our corporate drug dealers tell us about the side effects of their drugs. After all... Prozac, Zantac and Valuum are just legalized alternatives to THC; Focusin, Aderol and the likes are just legalized alternatives to speed; while Morphine, Codeine and Ocycontins are just legalized alternatives to opiates.

Our health industry has become one big drug dealing industry. Honestly... if a cure for AIDS or Cancer was found, would it even get out? How many cures get buried because they interfere with a drug company's profit off these diseases? I feel like I'm livin' in f#%kin' Babylon.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 08:35 AM
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18. Truth is... there are "alternatives" to just about any drug out there and
the place where people are taught natural interventions for most health concerns is right about here.... www.Bastyr.edu


Bastyr University, located north of Seattle, Washington, is one of the world's leading academic centers for advancing knowledge in the natural health sciences. A twenty-five-year pioneer in natural medicine, Bastyr continues to be in the forefront of developing the model for 21st century medicine.

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Bastyr research evaluates natural medicine practices and has played a key role in the growth of complementary and alternative medicine (CAM) research in the United States since 1986.
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blurp Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:07 PM
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5. My wife swears by Bextra
Edited on Fri Dec-17-04 11:08 PM by blurp
When it's that time of the month, nothing works better for her.


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idiosyncratic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:23 PM
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6. Sounds like Bextra is the new Neurontin
That is another drug that is used for all sorts of things, some "on label," but most of them are "off label."

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Sgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:34 PM
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7. People on Warfin
Need the Cox-2's. Before that they had to take serious opiates.

Given the low percentage of people who have side effects, vs the number that get addicted to narcotics, it has literrally changed many lives.

The real issue is that Cox-2's in general are no better than existing NSAIDS (all data say they are equally effective at pain relief), so you need to measure the cost/benefit ratio before you take one or the other.

You should do this ANYTIME you use a drug. Read the stuff that comes from the pharmacy and ask you doctor about options if you have problems with it.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:08 AM
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9. I use Advil for everything, but it didn't help my plantar fasciitis at all
Edited on Sat Dec-18-04 12:27 AM by Ms. Clio
Bextra was like a wonder drug that allowed me to walk without limping and pain for the first time in years.




(edited for spelling)
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:06 AM
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8. Actually, it is specifically prescribed for severe menstrual pain
According to the pharm sites I checked when I started taking it.

"Why is this medication prescribed?

Valdecoxib is used to relieve the pain, tenderness, inflammation (swelling), and stiffness caused by arthritis and to treat painful menstrual periods."


http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginformation.html

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idiosyncratic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:10 AM
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10. That's great. Much better than Tylenol w/codeine that seriously
messes with people heads, and sometimes still doesn't get the pain.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:22 AM
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11. Yeah, it's been an all around wonder drug for me
I'll really miss it--I'm sure my doc won't prescribe it anymore, he was already reluctant to do so last time I saw him.

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idiosyncratic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:30 AM
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12. Oh, that's too bad.
I still have samples left from the last leg problem I had. I guess I better take it even more infrequently to make sure those little white pills are around when I really, really need the pain relief.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:34 AM
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13. Yes, I will be getting that final refill and hoarding what is left!
Good luck with your tendonitis--sounds like the problem is mostly resolved?
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 02:05 AM
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15. Good old-fashioned
narcotics, that's the ticket, predictable, effective.
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idiosyncratic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 09:01 PM
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21. Unless those "good old-fashioned" narcotics cause horrible
adverse reactions. I've never been able to take narcotics.

That is why Bextra is so wonderful. It doesn't do anything to the brain, only to the inflammation and actual area of pain.
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elsiesummers Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 02:12 AM
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16. My father won't give up his drugs.
He is hooked because he couldn't get up out of his chair, then went on Celebrex, then Bextra, and can live his life.

He has ulcers and can't take anaprox, asprin or ibuprofen.

He has rheumatoid arthritis, plus wear and tear on joints from lifting appliances and tvs for years.

He just poured a concrete floor in his shed, no problem, and flipped the floor boards on his deck. He cut up three large oak trees that fell on their property during a hurricane.

A year ago he was confined to his lounge chair for most of the day and could only stand for ten minutes at a time. He couldn't sleep because of pain.

He also has high blood pressure, so I worry/wonder about pulmonary side effects. He also takes a drug for rheumatoid arthritis that the doctor infuses at the office every six weeks - but this is not working as well, lately (losing effectiveness).

I think they would have to pry his Bextra from his cold dead hand.

I do think our society needs to place a greater emphasis on mind control and yoga type approaches to pain. I read a study where they found that a spouse's reaction to pain could actually increase the pain of the patient - and this does not surprise me. Eventually, if we can unlock more of the mysteries of the human psyche, maybe we can reduce our dependence, as a society, on drugs.

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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 08:42 AM
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19. Science has shown that the tissues of rheumatoid arthritis sufferers
lack a specific sugar oftentimes... this sugar I believe is galactose.

When the human body starts to lose the ability to fight virus, bacteria, exists in too much of an acidic state due to dietary habits, loses the ability to produce the sugars necessary for cellular communication... it shows the symptoms of "disease".

Perhaps you can find some help for your father here... actually I know you can... http://search.lef.org/src-cgi-bin/MsmFind.exe?QUERY_ENCODING=UTF-8&CFGNAME=MssFind.cfg&ALLCATS=X&NO_DL=X&CAT_KEY=&AGE_WGT=0&QUERY=rheumatoid%20arthritis
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 09:29 AM
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20. I did,about four years ago...
Had knee surgery,still hurt like hell months later. The ONLY thing that worked for me was Celebrex. I could get by on two per day and felt great. Took them for about six months and then quit.

Its a good drug,I wonder what dose's some are taking per day? Honestly,I hope this one can stay,I might need it again some day.

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