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takebackthewh Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:45 AM
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Should males sit down to whizz?
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 10:10 AM by takebackthewh
Link:

http://www.starnewspapers.com/star/spedit/col/19-co1.htm

This is from my local rag in the south suburbs of Chicago. The writer has proved over and over again that he is a freeper jerk. However, here, for once, he raises a good point. Should males sit down even when they don't have to? Should we ban urinals? Standing up to do the deed does somehow strike me as a hateful, misogynistic holdover gesture from the caveman days.

"Why the sitzpinklers hate America"

By Michael J. Bowers, Star columnist

Do we need any more evidence of how far Europe has fallen?

In 1521 at the Diet of Worms, Martin Luther defied the pope with these words: "Hier stehe Ich. Ich kann nicht Anders. Gott hilf Mier. Amen."

In English, that would be: "Here I stand. I cannot do otherwise. God help me. Amen."

Today the poor man would have to say: "Here I sit." He could not do otherwise.

The "sitzpinkler" movement, which started in Sweden a few years ago, has moved to Australia and Germany.

I won't go into detail. You can figure it out for yourself. "Sitzpinkler" is German for a man who sits in the restroom even when he doesn't have to. Otherwise, by demonstrating his "dominance" over women, he risks excommunication by the Left.

A newspaper called The Australian quoted a young woman named Jessica, a biologist, from the Swedish city of Uppsala: "All my friends demand that their husbands or boyfriends sit down," said Jessica."I think it shows respect for the women who clean.

"My brother, for example, would not dream of standing up. Among the young, leftish intelligentsia, there is also a view that to stand up is a nasty macho gesture."

Jessica has stumbled across the essence of why the world hates us: Simply because we are born American, we have advantages that they do not have.

America is devoted to individualism, capitalism and the idea that even a poor immigrant can one day become a millionaire.

Our Constitution, written by brilliant men, gives us the right to pursue happiness.

If happiness means buying a big gun, we can do it.

If happiness means buying a big SUV, we can do it.

If happiness means bringing freedom to Iraq, we can do that too.

We call this "natural."

Europe calls it "a nasty macho gesture."

But they say the same thing about standing up in the men's room.

So do you think maybe we should stop caring about what they think of us?

I got to thinking about "sitzpinkler syndrome" recently because of what I heard at a meeting at Tinley Park High School sponsored by a group called Common Ground (www.cg.org).

The meeting was led by a fellow named Jim Kenny, a thoughtful, honest liberal, not the type to pass on fake documents like Dan Rather.

Still, I got the feeling in this room of 150 people that I was a defiant stehpinkler.

Mr. Kenney laid out seven reasons to explain why the rest of the world — specifically, the Muslim world — professes a deep hatred for America:

Our power, wealth and "hegemony."
Our "anti-democratic policies."
"Globalization."
Our "uncritical support for Israel."
Our "arrogance, jingoism and Americanism."
Islamism and anti-Americanism.
George W. Bush.

Well, let me say a few things.

On Point No. 1, the reason we have so much power and wealth is that we are free and capitalist. We don't put undue burdens on our businesspeople.

Hey, Sweden, try it sometime. If you were an American state, your economy would rank just five rungs from the bottom — down there with Mississippi.

On Points 2 and 7, do I really have to remind the Left that the only democratic nation in the Middle East is Israel? On the other hand, every single Muslim nation in the world (there are more than 20) is run by a dictator.

And now we're supposed to take lessons from the Muslim nations about democracy?

Isn't that kind of … stupid?

On Point No. 3, I never have figured out what globalization is anyway. I think it means you can find a Dunkin' Donuts shop in the capital of Pakistan. I once read a story by someone complaining about this state of affairs.

Listen. I had no idea there was a Dunkin' Donuts in Pakistan in the first place. What are you hating me for? I didn't put it there. I care what Pakistanis eat exactly as much as Pakistanis care what Americans eat.

If the rest of the world doesn't want Dunkin' Donuts in their midst, they should just … not … go … there!

Another reason the anti-globalists love to hate us is that TV show "Baywatch." You know the whine — we unsophisticated Americans are shoving our beach bimbos on the rest of the world.

To which I say: You know, the reason "Baywatch" is on the air around the world is that a lot of non-Americans thought they could make money by offering the show to their countrymen.

And what do you know? They were right. "Baywatch" was once the most popular show in 130 different nations.

If you don't like that, well, why don't you do what I do? Let me spell it out: Don't … watch … it!

That's right. "Baywatch" was on the air in America from 1990-2001, and I never watched one single episode.

In sum, I saw little logic in the Tinley Park meeting and lots of emotion, navel-gazing and Oprah moments.

"My God, what's going to end the world first? Global warming or 'Baywatch'?" Oh, spare me.

Readers, let me clue you in. There is one reason the rest of the world hates us, and it is really simple: Envy.

They figure that if they can't do something, Americans shouldn't be allowed to do it either.

You can go along with that thinking if you want to. I'm not. That's why I voted for George Bush. Here America stands.

Michael Bowers is a copy editor and page designer for The Star. His column appears every other week. Send e-mail to mbowers@starnewspapers.com.

EOM





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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:46 AM
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1. Should Men Be Forced To Menstruate Because Women Do....
God or whomever made us equal not the same...
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:48 AM
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2. However...
I have seen a stand up urinal for women...


If they demand it that's fine with me...


Equal facilities for all...
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:50 AM
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3. Just logistically, it's more efficient to have urinals...
but I wouldn't want to sit in one to piss, frankly.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:54 AM
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4. saves water...
but i have seen female urinals designed for that purpose in magazines but they haven't caught on...
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:55 AM
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5. in a word - who cares?
with all the pressing issues in the world, not to mention the real issues facing women's equality, is this really something that needs debate? honestly, how is standing in the privacy of a restroom while urinating a sign of domination over women?

note - you link didn't work so i am only relying on your summary...
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:58 AM
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6. I Have Seen Feminist Work That Says Penetration In Intercourse Is Also
Sign Of Domination...


Men penetrate men... Women penetrate men with objects... And without penetration the species would be extinct...


As Orwell said "some ideas are so bizarre only an intellectual could believe them."
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takebackthewh Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:29 AM
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17. Sorry, I think I fixed that. N/T
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sherilocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:04 AM
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7. This is a serious question.
How does a man with a short penis accomplish this manuver without peeing all over himselve? I'm not sure I understand the logistics of this. What is that old saying about no matter how much you wiggle and dance, some always gets down your pants? Do you use toilet paper after? What is the proper etiquette here?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:07 AM
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10. This Is The Routine
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 10:08 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
You look to the urinal...Stand in front of it.... Pull down your zipper.... Pull out your thingy.... Urinate.... Pull up your zipper... Walk to sink and wash hands... There's no toilet paper by the urinal...


Hint- some guys don't wash their hands .....
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:11 AM
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11. Zip it up BEFORE putting it away?
Masochist. :silly:
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lcordero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:23 AM
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14. actually
it's supposed to be shaked before it gets put back
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:24 AM
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15. or twirled depending on your endowment
eom
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sherilocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:45 AM
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19. I was asking about the act of male whizzing while sitting
And please, DSB, put it back in your pants before you zip up. Ouch.

My sons had notoriously bad aim, but always blamed it on the other or their father for that matter. I now have some grandsons that might be enlightened with this information about sitting down. :):hurts:
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Truman01 Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:31 AM
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18. ok I'm forced to contribute to this silly thread by my love of jokes
how does a man with a long penis keep from getting it wet!

Can this be any sillier? Men standing to pee is evidence of misogyny? Does anyone really believe that?

TC
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signmike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:55 AM
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21. Frankly, Scarlett...
"You can shake it,
You can break it,
You can beat it on the walls,
But you'll put it in your pants
Before the last drop falls."


Next they'll complain about us peeing in the shower, or wiping it on the drapes afterward, c'mon! I'm a guy = the whole world is my urinal.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:04 AM
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8. Sweden's economy is like Mississippi's?
Can't speak directly of Sweden, but I do know that the standard of living in Norway is more than a tad higher than that of Mississippi.

What a silly, inane macho screed.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:07 AM
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9. Nice anti-European tripe Mr. "That's why I voted for George Bush" Bowers
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 10:07 AM by Misunderestimator
I think that men sitting on toilets in private homes and other places where toilets are shared by women and/or children is polite, hygienic, and respectful. I have no care whether they use urinals in men's bathrooms.

This little piece is just an excuse for a Republican editorialist to express his xenophobia:

-----------------
Our Constitution, written by brilliant men, gives us the right to pursue happiness.

If happiness means buying a big gun, we can do it.

If happiness means buying a big SUV, we can do it.

If happiness means bringing freedom to Iraq, we can do that too.

We call this "natural."

Europe calls it "a nasty macho gesture."

But they say the same thing about standing up in the men's room.

So do you think maybe we should stop caring about what they think of us?


LOL. HAPPINESS MEANS BRINGING FREEDOM TO IRAQ

Wouldn't that make a lovely bumper sticker? :eyes:

And... uh... no... I DON'T think maybe we should stop caring about what the rest of the world thinks of us. Though apparently half of us don't give a damn.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:15 AM
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12. as long as the man cleans the toilet, I don't care how he uses it
but I'll be damned if I want to clean the walls and sides of the porcelain of the splash that is unavoidable when jetting away from two feet up
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:18 AM
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13. Shouldn't this belong in the lounge?
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 10:19 AM by BiggJawn
"Standing up to do the deed does somehow strike me as a hateful, misogynistic holdover gesture from the caveman days."

Yeah, and like Post Number Six, I too have read writings that state ALL male-female sex involves an element of Rape on the part of the male. Wanting to be a "Sensitive man", I have to tell you that such attitudes have kind of twisted my perception of relationships a little bit. Having had a marrige broken up by a wife who "came out" didn't help either. Just hold guns to our heads, order us to jerk-off into the turkey-baster, then SHOOT us...

Look, I'm not standing there thinking "Oh! I can piss standing UP! I am MAN! Hear me ROAR! Watch me dribble on the floor!"

I just wanna empty my bladder.

Can I PLEASE empty my bladder without it being seen as an Act of Aggression against Womyn?

Please?
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:27 AM
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16. Well, the author is a clueless idiot
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 10:30 AM by Kellanved
Other than that: who cares?
:shrug:


(Sidenote anyway: the whole "sitz" thing relates to the fact that men normally don't clean the toilet - it is no movement or anything like that, just a courtesy: if you're a guest somewhere, then one is expected to avoid causing undue collateral damage in the host's private bathroom. )
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:28 PM
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22. Ehrlich!
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 12:30 PM by Karenina
:eyes: I was pleased to see the international "verboten" symbol around a silhouette of a man standing to answer the call of nature in W.C.s (public and private) that have no urinals. IT'S SIMPLE COURTESY.

American men seem to think of it as some kind ot THREAT to dey Mannheit
or sumthin... ;-)
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takebackthewh Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 03:19 PM
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28. Where did you see that? EOM
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 03:58 PM
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29. They're quite common
especially in women's flats, although by no means exclusively. I've see them in co-ed and public facilities. COMMON COURTESY.
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takebackthewh Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 05:40 PM
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42. You're talking England, I take it? EOM
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:54 AM
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20. Doesn't matter if you sit or not...but this writer is a whack-job.
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 10:55 AM by mcscajun
How he manages to associate Martin Luther's defiance, "sitzpinkler" advocates, and serious political issues is amazing. In this one sentence he moves from the "sitzpinkler" movement to global poltics: "Jessica has stumbled across the essence of why the world hates us: Simply because we are born American, we have advantages that they do not have."

Huh?

The Writers Bottom Line: Some Women (European, naturally) want their men to sit when they urinate. This can be equated to Europeans (feminine, naturally) having a problem with American macho posturing around the globe. Of course! How did I not see that!?! All global political issues can be reduced to emasculation.

/sarcasm
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:35 PM
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23. What does sitzpinkler have to do with the rest of the tripe in the column
Am I the only one who doesn't see the connection? :shrug:

And why was the rest of the column posted here?
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:36 PM
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24. This is the silliest thing I have ever read
I am a woman.

I am a stay-at-home-mom and I do the housework, including cleaning the toilets.

I can not IMAGINE telling my husband he had to sit to pee. How stupid.

Didn't that happen in a movie - About Schmitt?
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stranger_with_candy Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 06:15 PM
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44. it did
and after his wife dies he goes all over the bathroom...

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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:41 PM
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25. This guy is an idiot and this column is NOT about pissing
It's about pissing all over Europeans and Muslims.

"Readers, let me clue you in. There is one reason the rest of the world hates us, and it is really simple: Envy."

No, Mr. Bowers, it's not envy. It's frustration with morans like you.

And, by the way, my husband cleans the toilet in this house so he can piss however he wants to.
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absolutezero Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:53 PM
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26. no
It's not a matter of dominance or any other crackpot theories

men piss standing up because we can, it's easier than sitting down

and how else would we write stuff in the snow? :evilgrin:
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frictionlessO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:54 PM
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27. Ive always sat to pee (unless out in the wild), thers a very logical
reasoning to this, quite simply I can put more pressure on my bladder this way, and there are no drippies on the inside of my pants... some other reasons but I think I already gave TMI...
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 04:49 PM
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30. I'll sit down if I'm feeling less than energetic.
But whatever, doen't make a difference to me.

And I refuse to read that article for the same reson I sometimes sit down.
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 04:51 PM
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31. Sure - if you dont mind piss on the wall and floor.
Let them stand - easier to aim, less cleanup
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amandae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 05:22 PM
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32. takebackthewh
Please be aware that DU copyright rules require that excerpts of copyrighted material be limited to no more than four paragraphs and include a link to the thread.

Thank you,

amandae
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takebackthewh Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 05:37 PM
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39. Sorry, thanks. EOM
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 05:24 PM
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33. I do. It's cleaner. Just be sure to NOT obstruct the parts underneath,
or when the whee backs up inside of you when it tries to start pouring out, it will hurt. :hurts:
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HalfManHalfBiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 05:26 PM
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34. I piss on this thread
Standing up, obviously.

What male would ever squat to pee?
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 05:27 PM
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35. when there is a urinal handy I use it...
sitting down you tend to rub your wee wee against the rim of the toilet...very disgusting....if i could i would install a urinal in my home for myself and my son....standing up and pissing into the toilet is a hit and miss kind of thing if you get the drift...
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 05:29 PM
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36. Hier stehe Ich. Ich will nicht Anders!
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 05:35 PM
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37. If you piss on the seat - clean it up
This has nothing to do with dominance over women. It has to do with convienience...when my bladder is pulsating the last thing I think isn't.... "How can I really stick it to women when I take this piss?"
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 05:36 PM
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38. I guess there really IS affirmative action for right-wing columnists
That was the silliest piece of crap I've read in my entire life. My left ass cheek has more wit than this poltroon.

Perhaps Mr. Bowers would be happier in big, cushy diapers. That way, he could take a whizz standing up, sitting down, prone, supine, in public, by his lonesome -- anywhere and everywhere and in any manner that properly expresses his mood.
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48pan Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 05:38 PM
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40. We Stand - Because We Can!
Ridiculous article.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 05:39 PM
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41. Speak for yourself I stand to oppress women
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 06:20 PM
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46. Long live the phallocracy!
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 06:24 PM
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47. you could do this just as well sitting down:


...


:D
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 05:46 PM
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43. My doctor has advised me
to not lift heavy objects.

Thus I must sit down.
:)
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 06:20 PM
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45. heh
good one
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