The best birth control

[TufNeck]

which is it?


Just curious, what you think it is?

[brainshrub]

1. Here is is:

[vixengrl]

5. Heh heh heh--too perfect!

Today, I went last-minute Xmas shopping with hubby, and we saw some badly-behaved anklebiters in the store, and he whispered in my ear,

"Did you remember to take The Pill?"

[SarahB]

2. vasectomy!

[Radio_Lady]

34. We had five kids when we married... my wedding gift?

He got a vasectomy 90 days after we married! It's the best gift you can give a woman!

[AngryLizard]

3. Maya Rudolph says Ugg boots are the best birth control

I'm all about the newest issue of Esquire right now. George Clooney's on the cover.

[DS1]

18. They are finally catching on here in the East Coast

Goddamn they're fugly, and I don't even want to THINK about how sweaty those feet must get :puke:

[curse10]

20. I know you secretly own several pair and dance around your house

with nothin' but Uggs on!!!!!

[DS1]

26. Uhhh, that's Ugg in singular form, dear

The bongo drums come in pairs

[Phillycat]

36. I just finished reading that issue.

It was awesome. For those who haven't read it, it's got interviews with a lot of different kinds of people, and the theme is, "What have I learned in my life?" It's really good. My favorite one was Jimmy Carter. What an intelligent and kind man.

[miss_kitty]

4. Not doing it!

I of course do not advocate that as a method

Studies have shown that the kids most likely to get pregnant are taught abstinence as the only method of BC

[moroni]

6. Which studies?

eom

[miss_kitty]

13. Damn This is the lounge I was hoping not to get hit with that question

I'll see if I can find it-I seem to remember hearing someone say it on democracy now!

[miss_kitty]

14. Here's some stuff-it's longish

From Democracy Now!

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/02/1513230&mode=thread&tid=25

Abstinence-Only Programs Spread Misinformation About AIDS & Abortion
A new Congressional report has found that many students participating in federally funded abstinence-only programs have been taught misleading and inaccurate information about abortion, homosexuality and AIDS. Students have been taught that abortion can lead to sterility and suicide, that half the gay male teenagers in the United States have tested positive for AIDS, and that touching a person's genitals can "result in pregnancy." This according to a report in the Washington Post. The Congressional report found that for the past three years, the Bush administration has been strongly promoting these abstinence programs even though they frequently relied on medically inaccurate or misleading information, often in direct contradiction to the findings of government scientists. The Congressional report examined the 13 most widely used abstinence-only curricula; only two of the program were deemed to be accurate. Democratic Congressman Henry Waxman of California said, "Something is seriously wrong when federal tax dollars are being used to mislead kids about basic health facts."

From the Numbers Wizards (bending stats into the info they want, I believe):

http://sectionq.com/Facts/abstinence_as_reason.htm

New Study Shows Abstinence as Reason for Reduced Teen Pregnancy Rate
More teens are saying no to sex outside of marriage, and that fact is the primary reason for the drop in teen birth and pregnancy rates in recent years according to new scientific research. The peer-reviewed study, published in April 2003 in the journal, Adolescent and Family Health, flies in the face of previous reports attributing the decline to increased use of contraception.
The report cited abstinence as the top factor in recent drops in the teen pregnancy rate. Overall, the study found that 100 percent of the drop in birthrates and 67 percent of the drop in pregnancy rates could be attributed to single teens heeding the message of abstinence education.
Joanna Mohn, M.D., the study’s principal researcher, said the new study shows the factors making the greatest contribution to the decline in overall 15- to 19-year-old birth and pregnancy rates were an increase in abstinence and a decrease in the percentage of married teens. In 1991, the teen birthrate was 62 births per 1,000 girls. By 1995, the rate had dropped to 50 births per 1,000 girls. The pregnancy rate per 1,000 girls dropped from 116 to 93 during the same period.
“It is time for pro-condom advocacy groups to stop lying to the public about the real reason we are seeing such a sharp decline in teen birth and pregnancy rates,” said Peter Brandt, Director of Issues Response for Focus on the Family. “Abstinence has always been the only sure-fire way to prevent pregnancy and teens are proving they have out-smarted adults on this one. This study should be an incentive to every member of Congress to vote for the most effective prevention program for our teen – abstinence education.”
The Welfare Reform Act of 1996, which included $50 million per year for abstinence education, expired last year, and debate on its renewal will begin in Congress soon.

From The Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0%2C3604%2C1213875%2C00.html

Joy of sex education

America's virgin soldiers are on their way - ignoring the dangers of abstinence for teenagers

---snip---
No one could dispute that thousands of teenagers in Britain and the United States are suffering as a result of sex before marriage. Teenage pregnancies are overwhelmingly concentrated at the bottom of the social scale: the teenage daughters of unskilled manual labourers are 10 times as likely to become pregnant as middle-class girls. According to the United Nations agency Unicef, women born into poverty are twice as likely to stay that way if they have their children too soon. They are more likely to be unemployed, to suffer from depression and to become dependent on alcohol or drugs.

Were we to accept the conservatives' version, we would expect the nations in which sex education and access to contraception are most widespread to be those that suffer most from teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted disease. The truth is the other way around.

The two western countries at the top of the disaster league, the United States and the United Kingdom, are those in which conservative campaigns are among the strongest and sex education and access to contraception are among the weakest. The US, the UN Population Fund's figures show, is the only rich nation stuck in the middle of the third world block, with 53 births per 1,000 teenagers - a record worse than those of India, the Philippines and Rwanda. The UK comes next with 20. The nations the conservatives would place at the top of the list are clumped at the bottom. Germany and Norway produce 11 babies per 1,000 teenagers, Finland eight, Sweden and Denmark seven and the Netherlands five.

Unicef's explanation is pretty unequivocal. Sweden, for example, radically changed its sex education policies in 1975. "Recommendations of abstinence and sex only within marriage were dropped, contraceptive education was made explicit, and a nationwide network of youth clinics was established specifically to provide confidential contraceptive advice and free contraceptives ... Over the next two decades, Sweden saw its teenage birth rate fall by 80 per cent." Sexually transmitted diseases, in contrast to the rising rates in the UK and the US, declined by 40% in the 1990s.

"Studies of the Dutch experience," Unicef continues, "have concluded that the underlying reason for success has been the combination of a relatively inclusive society with more open attitudes towards sex and sex education, including contraception." Requests for contraceptives there "are not associated with shame or embarrassment", and "the media is willing to carry explicit messages" about them that are "designed for young people". This teeming cesspool has among the lowest abortion and teenage birth rates on earth.

America and the UK, by contrast, are "less inclusive societies" where "contraceptive advice and services may be formally available, but in a 'closed' atmosphere of embarrassment and secrecy". The UK has a higher teenage pregnancy rate not because there is more sex or abortion, but because of "lower rates of contraceptive use".

[StClone]

7. Pregnancy

Since once you got it out of the way it can't happen again, well at least not for nearly nine months.

[Name removed]

8. Deleted message

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[TufNeck]

11. NO!!

I didn't see that!:puke:

[jellybelly]

19. what...

did the deleted message say? I'm going to cry. :evilfrown:
Curse those deleted messages. Shouldn't the mods just delete them and get it over with? Why tell us they deleted it? They are hungry with power I tells ya!

[miss_kitty]

29. nekked young Geo Bush

It was awful! AWFUL, I tell ya

[TufNeck]

35. You don't want to know

[Orangepeel]

72. they used to just remove them entirely...

but then sometimes people would have responded and then the responses didn't make any sense and that was confusing. I think they tried deleting the posts AND all the responses, but sometimes good information got deleted through no fault of the people who responded to a deleted post.

This is better, although like you, I always REALLY want to know what the deleted posts say!

[Placebo]

9. Abstinence.

Or animals.

[asthmaticeog]

10. Sodomy

[Lilith Velkor]

44. yaay, sodomy!!

[stranger_with_candy]

12. screaming kids in the supermarket

[LeftyMom]

15. Stop posting that photo!!!!!!!!!!

My eyes! My eyes!

I know I'm replying in the wrong spot, I had to scroll away!

PS I'm really happy with NFP/FAM. I didn't react to hormonal BC well.

[Jack_Dawson]

17. Kings Rule!

:hug:

[MissBrooks]

16. hysterectomy

[iamjoy]

21. Sadly Sometimes, Yes...

:cry:

[nevergiveup]

22. Thinking about Lynne Cheney or Ann Coulter

does it for me

[MissBrooks]

24. do you know the difference between

Impotence and birth control?

[WindRavenX]

23. yay for orthocyclin

Cleared my skin up, and keeps me preggers free!

[radwriter0555]

25. actually, kinda digging the IUD... no chemicals, completely inert, no

side affects and totally effective. Very cheap.. painless, can't notice it, lasts for 10 years. Take it out, INSTANTLY able to get knocked up again if you want to. No waiting period, no chemicals, hormones... it makes SENSE.

[Red State Rebel]

27. Aspirin held firmly between your knees.

That was the recommendation of Ann Landers back in the early 70's I believe :)

[Jean Louise Finch]

28. Implanon

It's this tiny little plastic stick you get in your upper arm, lasts for three years...most women get their period like four times a year, and it's approaching 100% effectiveness. Reversible on removal in like 2 weeks.

If you are like me and sensitive to the daily dose of hormones in pills, this is great, as it's continuously releasing.

Is greatness, but I don't think you can get it in the States yet.

[fortyfeetunder]

32. It's available in the states

I think Depo-Provera comes in an implanation form. There is even now a patch.

[CO Liberal]

30. Ann Landers Said The Best Birth Control For Girls Was an Aspirin

Held firmly between the knees....

:-)

[WoodrowFan]

46. she later retractewd that

She said that real early in her career and later admitted it was stupid advice.

[aQuArius]

31. 10-year IUD, if you're not going to abstain and if

you don't want to do anything permanent, yet. I luff mine! Never have to think about it and no steroids!

[liontamer]

47. does it have any side effects

like heavier periods, more cramping etc?

[SarahB]

52. Yeah.

The Copper T kind are the 10 year ones which I had for awhile. I have relatively easy periods and it made mine pretty heavy when I had one, but there's no hormones, so for many, it's a trade off.
There's another IUD called (I think) Mirena which is a five year one that releases a low dose level of progesterone which for many reduces periods. If you haven't had problems with hormonal birth control (like the pill), it's a good option.

[radwriter0555]

62. My periods are a tad heavier, and with a little more cramping, easily

controlled by 2 ibuprofin.

Oddly, my swelling and bloating isn't as bad as it used to be.

I think these are very minor compared to the impact of unwanted pregnancies.

Condoms are SO archaic...

[aQuArius]

73. some...

My periods used to be a full 7 days, now they're only 3 days. The bleeding is heavier for those days, but I love the short length. Only had a little cramping after it was first put in, but none since. I had huge problems with anything that had steroids in it, loss of hair, huge mood swings, always tired, weight gain. This is the best option for me!

[CarbonDate]

33. Birth Control Glasses (BCGs)

[Dzimbowicz]

37. Some things never change, except

military glasses. When I was in we had the type which looked like Drew Carey's; kinda like Ray Bans.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

40. Aren't you allowed to use your own glasses there? (nt)

[Dzimbowicz]

43. Sometimes...

but when one is "on duty" GI issue glasses is uniform regulation (at least in my day, 70s and 80s). Most of the time we were able to wear our own glasses though.

Once upon a time in the 1970s, when I was a Marine, I had a pair of glasses with photo-gray lenses (real glass lenses which turned dark in the sun). I had these while doing a second tour in the Western Pacific because of the bright sun. There was a Battalion Commander (Lt. Col.) who saw me and made quite a stink about my "hippie" glasses. On several occasions he went out of his way to make sure I was following orders not to wear them in uniform. As an act of defiance, I had my last official ID made with these glasses; the photographer was just a PFC and didn't care, so he took the picture. Two weeks before I mustered out, I had to stand an inspection which was conducted by the Commanding General. Beforehand, every commander one had would inspect the unit prior to the next higher commander's inspection, and so on up the chain of command. So, to make a long story short, when the inspecting party came to me, chose me at random and began the routine.... I was asked to produce my ID card. The civilian glasses on the official ID landed me an UCMJ Article 15 ($100 fine and 15 days extra duty and restriction).

But, as in real life, nothing is exactly the same in two places.

[SKKY]

42. Oh Dude! That is soooooooo dead on...

...those things are hideous, huh? I'm glad the Navy finally wised up and got some decent frames to give out.

[flygal]

38. A night with my four month old - ZZZZZZZ

[WMliberal]

39. coitus interruptus

I swear I'll pull out at the last... uhhhhh.... the last- uhhhhh ohhhhhh YEEEAAAAHHHHH ... oops, my bad.

[Renew Deal]

49. lol

[SarahB]

60. Pre-ejaculatory fluid has a higher concentration of sperm.

So regardless of whether a man pulls out effectively or not, it's not enough. Just some health info. :)

[WMliberal]

61. well it hasn't been enough for me, yet.

:P

to be seen on a soon to air episode of Maury Povich.

[sniffa]

41. oops! wrong hoLe

my bad

[rbnyc]

45. I miss the sponge!

Especially now that I'm married and no longer trying to get pregnant. I will never get over the loss of the sponge.

[loudestchick]

56. But, is your spouse "sponge worthy"? from Seinfeld

[colinmom71]

65. Actually, the sponge is still available...

The Today sponge has just recently been put back into production. And a Canadian web site sells it here .... http://www.birthcontrol.com/index.php?cPath=21 They also sell another brand of contraceptive sponges called Protectaid. I've never ordered anything from this company so I can't vouch for their customer service, but they do ship to the US.

[jmowreader]

66. They are out of Today sponges

And they say they don't know when they're going to get any more.

[jmowreader]

48. Technical Virginity

http://www.technicalvirgin.com/

[Kat45]

53. That site is a riot!

Thanks.

[name not needed]

50. Oral sex

:P

[davsand]

54. If storks bring babies, what birds for sure DON'T bring babies?

Swallows.

Sorry, I HAD to do it... :)


Laura

[Rabrrrrrr]

51. abstinence. The only fully effective form of birth control.

Beyond that, I really don't know about the efficacy of other forms as to which is best and/or better than others.

[radwriter0555]

55. THAT'S NOT BIRTH CONTROL. That's against HUMAN NATURE..

we are sexual beings, after all.. living in pursuit of procreation and continuing the blood line.

It is after all, what we are willing to die for.

[Rabrrrrrr]

57. Yeah, blah blah blah fuckin' whatever

Go into histrionics if you'd like.

I didn't say anything like "people should be celibate" blah blah blah or that I was against other forms of birth control or any other moral high ground bullshit.

Truth is, abstinence is the only effective birth control.

Is it against human nature? Maybe. It's certainly difficult, and I would never suggest it as the only MORAL or ETHICAL form, nor even suggest to people that they should be abstinent.

No need to go ballistic just because someone said something that is true.

Really hit a button on ya, eh?

Anyway, merry holiday season to you! :hi:

[radwriter0555]

63. That wasn't histrionics, that was emphasis. Don't confuse passion and

overstatement with anger.

Just stating facts. Humans will subject themselves to the possibility of death in order to preserve their possibility fo life i.e., their progeny and to procreate, and heck, to even PRETEND to procreate... at least men will.

Think of the man who is so desperate for sex that he visits the AIDS-likely hooker, or who gets with the gender bending cross dressing transvestite or cross dressing hooker?

The sex isn't just about feeling good; it validates the emotional being; it means someone has deemed us worthy of carrying on the bloodline.... at least for 30 seconds, until reality kicks in.

[Rabrrrrrr]

67. Looked like histrionics to me.

I'm curious about your reaction to the word "abstinence".

But, beyond that...

Other than changing your "fact" sentence to "SOME humans will subject themselves...", and changing your initial post to (and I'm paraphrasing, since I can't see your initial post right now) "abstinence is against the nature of some humans" (instead of "against human nature), I agree with what you are saying about sex, and procreation, etc.

But I don't agree that abstinence, or celibacy, is against human nature. There are a lot of people in the world who have chosen lives of celibacy. That's why I would adjust your statement to say "SOME humans", and not take it as a blanket statement for ALL humans.

To say that something is "human nature" is to make a quick, easy excuse for a behavior. The human mind is capable of shutting down whatever "human natures" it wants to shut down. Abstinence and celibacy are totally possible. As is beating alcohol addiction, etc. (that said, before I generate another knee-jerk response, let me say that no, not all "human natures" should be overridden by all people - it only works when it's a bona fide choice of the person, whether it be that alcohol addiction is not overcome until a person is actually ready to overcome it, or whether celibacy is chosen willingly and openly, or whatever the choice is - and it's not always easy, no, and, sadly, many people are forced into making decisions to override their "human nature" and it generally results in catastrophic failure; one reason that I think priests should be allowed to be non-celibate if they so choose - sexual needs can be awfully tough to override).

[radwriter0555]

71. Ah well, you're not nearly as cynical as I am. I've seen it all. I stand

firmly by my position and generalizations. Interpret as you will to suit your needs, by all means!

:)

[NNadir]

58. Vascetomy. It sucked for a few weeks after the surgery, but it's great

now.

Of course, I love it when my wife does "other things" not involving the possibility of pregnancy.

[trogdor]

59. Really ugly glasses.

I heard B.O. will do it too.

[WritersBlock]

64. My ex. n/t

[Solly Mack]

68. My mom used to say (to us girls) "Put the pill between your knees

and hold it there. See if you can still have sex"


to my brother "You'll much rather wash your socks and sheets than a dirty diaper"

[supernova]

69. Best is sterilization

Hysterectomy or tubal ligation for women and vasectomies for men.

Next would be The Pill with something like 99% effectiveness.

The best non-sexual way would be abstinence, but no normal person is going to do that execpt for relgious or psychological reasons.

[mondo joe]

70. Homosexuality.

Well it is.

[anonymousdemocrat]

74. combining condoms and the pill?

my special cocktail...