This is freakin' disgusting . . .

[ET Awful]

I'm doing a Google search for puppy pictures, just so a can find some pics for the hell of it. I do a search on Google for "fluffy puppy" (basically, I need a super fuzzy pic for a little collage thing I'm doing for my sister). But, what do I find on the 3rd or 4th page of the search?

http://images.google.com/images?q=fluffy+puppy&hl=en&lr=&start=40&sa=N

Look at the third picture over in the top row (pic of a young girl giving a dog a bath), then look at the website name and click the link. This person is selling videos of what appears to be his young daughter posing in bikinis, etc.

Is it just me, or does there appear to be something severely WRONG here?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. Sure.

Red State stuff, at it again.

They got our back, morally, doncha know. ;-)

[Spock_is_Skeptical]

2. No, it's not just you... that is more than just creepy

That is seriously wrong.

[ET Awful]

7. Is there anything illegal to it?

Is this something that requires action?

[MercutioATC]

25. Nope.

Somebody just put an image off of a commercial site on his personal image page. It very well may not be his daughter at all.

[ET Awful]

30. He's selling DVD's of the girl, it's not just a single image.

Why are you defending it?

[MercutioATC]

36. I'm not defending it, I'm just saying it's not illegal.

I think it's pretty sick, but it's nothing to call the police or FBI about.

[redqueen]

41. I think it is something to call the FBI about

We don't know what else he might be doing, and it's not worth the risk to her to just wait and see if something really bad happens. Selling DVD's of your young daughter in a bikini is sick, no matter what the technicalities of the law might say.

[MercutioATC]

43. Go ahead if you must, but why do you think the FBI will care?

There are plenty of professional, respected modeling agencies that use children. Granted, their pictures tend to be in better taste, but the law applies equally to all of them. If they're not violating any laws (and I don't see anything illegal here) they have the right to do business.

Expressing your displeasure with the parents or "agency" is a viable alternative, though.

[redqueen]

47. Because

if enough people inundate them with requests for action, it may help to spur some sort of change, might it not?

The agency doesn't give a flying fuck who's displeased... they're making MONEY. Ditto for the 'parents'.

[MercutioATC]

50. You're trying to change the law by contacting law enforcement?

Legislators would be a much better option. Send the links to your legislators. THEY'RE the ones with the power to change things, not some poor agent sitting at his desk who just has to enforce them.

[redqueen]

53. Unfortunately

they get money to pass the laws the people with money like.

Why do you think trafficking in humans is so profitable and easy? Because they won't pass laws to make it hard and expensive.

You do it your way, I'll do it mine. :)

[MercutioATC]

55. Fair enough. Good luck!

I mean that sincerely. I hate seeing children exploited.

[redqueen]

3. Call the FBI

I'm not even kidding.

Even if it's not 'technically' a crime, someone should know.

[gtp1976]

4. I doubt even freepers would condone this. n/t

[theorist]

84. Really?

I have a feeling if we take a strong enough stance against anything, the freepers will line up to oppose us. This could lead to some interesting (and hopefully funnier than the subject of this thread) protest marches, don't you think?

[Lavender Brown]

5. It should be reported

[Pirate Smile]

6. I think there are sickos that do that kind of thing. You should notify

the police so they can investigate and help the little girl if what you think might be happening is true.

p.s. I didn't go look at the picture. I'm just taking your word for it. I don't want to see it.

[JimmyJazz]

8. I agree that it should be reported.

Damn.

[ET Awful]

9. The domain is registered in Texas, any Texas DU'er want to

contact the appropriate authorities?

Registrant:
Curt Newbury [e-mail] 214-823-4270
Curt Newbury Studios
6243 Llano ave.
Dallas,Texas,US 75214


Domain Name:cindymodel.com
Record last updated at 2004-05-18 02:37:30
Record created on 2002/5/20
Record expired on 2005/5/20


Domain servers in listed order:
ns1.swiftwind.net ns2.swiftwind.net

Administrator:
Curt Newbury [e-mail] 214-823-4270
Curt Newbury Studios
6243 Llano ave.
Dallas,Texas,US 75214

Technical Contactor:
Curt Newbury [e-mail] 214-823-4270
Curt Newbury Studios
6243 Llano ave.
Dallas,Texas,US 75214

Billing Contactor:
Curt Newbury [e-mail] 214-823-4270
Curt Newbury Studios
6243 Llano ave.
Dallas,Texas,US 75214


Registration Service Provider:
name: Domain Registration Philippines
tel: [phone]
fax: [phone]
web:http://www.domainphil.com


The previous information has been obtained either directly from the registrant or a registrar of the domain name other than Network Solutions. Network Solutions, therefore, does not guarantee its accuracy or completeness.

Show underlying registry data for this record



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[redqueen]

12. deleted

[Not_Giving_Up]

15. I'm in Texas...I'll send angry e-mails

Damn....guess I have to look at it now.

[Cuban_Liberal]

20. I'm sure the sheriff's dep't would be inerested in hearing from y'all.

:)

[Not_Giving_Up]

23. OK, question....

Who am I supposed to report this to? I'll be more than happy to do it, but not sure where to go here.

[ET Awful]

28. I was thinking Dallas PD, since that's where the guy is.

Maybe Dallas PD and child protective services?

That's why I was looking for Texas or especially Dallas residents, since you're better able to contact different agencies, etc.

[Not_Giving_Up]

34. I'm not in Dallas, trying to do this online

Just want to make sure this gets to the right place

[ET Awful]

38. Good enough. n/t

[Cuban_Liberal]

39. Dallas County Sheriff's Office

http://www.dallascounty.org/html/departments/sherriff.html

[Not_Giving_Up]

42. OK, I found a website for Dallas PD Computer Crimes Div.

Here's the link, if anybody else wants to send them a heads up:

http://www.dallaspolice.net/index.cfm?page_ID=4054&subnav=55

I sent an e-mail to Detective A.E. Lash. Hopfully this will get some attention (other than the sickos)!

[nine23]

10. Very fucking creepy. I just spammed him, and I suggest others do.

EMAIL: [e-mail]

Feel free to join me and let 'em have it. My email was rude, coarse and base, just like his "entrepreneurial spirit".

[MercutioATC]

11. If you look at the home site, it's affiliated with "Child Supermodels"

It looks creepy, but legit, to me. No nudity, just "teen models".


Sick but legal.

[Moloch]

26. Those girls didn't

even look like teenagers...

sick sick sick

[MercutioATC]

31. Well, the site does say it's for models from "7 to 16"...

[Not_Giving_Up]

13. I didn't look

From what everyone else is saying, I don't want to. Report this creep.

[Debbi801]

14. That is the creepiest thing I've seen in a long time.

I agree you should report this.

[Debi]

16. Sick!

What kind of freak does this to their kid?

[MercutioATC]

22. It's not "their kid"...it's a commercial site...one of many.

All affiliated with www.childsupermodels.com

It claims to be a site for teen models and their photographers.

As I said before, sick, but legal,

[ET Awful]

24. And if you look at the rest of the site, there are pictures of her

on vacation all over the place, etc. It's not just a commercial site, if it's not the parent selling the pictures, they are buying them from the parent or taking them with the parents knowledge.

[MercutioATC]

29. Of COURSE the parents know. She's a freakin' minor!

That doesn't make it illegal.

[ET Awful]

35. So explain again why you're defending it? n/t

[MercutioATC]

37. Already answered you above, but I'm not "defending" it...

I'm just saying that it's not illegal.

[bettyellen]

79. and her mom is the picture editor, but who writes that creepy copy????

i guess her uncle who takes the pics? ick!

[Debi]

49. I've seen 20/20 or 48 hours

exposes on this stuff and SOMEONE lets their kids be photographed for this stuff in the hopes of their kids getting discovered as legit models...that's what I meant by the WHO part.

The person who puts the site up is sick, but the parents of the kids are sick and not protecting their kids!:thumbsdown:

[ronnykmarshall]

66. I tired to click on that

and my filter at work blocked it as "porn".

That might be a clue if you ask me.

I can see someone helping or promoting their son or daughter as a legit model, but SELLING DVD'S???

That's fucking porn! I don't care if the kid is fully clothed or in a bathing suit. This asshole knows damn good and well who's buying this. Pedophiles.

[MercutioATC]

70. I agree on a moral basis, but legality is frequently a different matter.

Don't get me wrong. I hate this kind of stuff. I hate ANYTHING that hurts kids. However, it appears as if they're within the letter, if not the spirit, of the law.

[Brundle_Fly]

85. ugh

so sick.

this shit is just wrong. need to sick some of those evil parenting fundies who are wrecking my teevee to go after these creeps.

I could appreciate them doing something about this.

[iconoclastic cat]

17. ETA, you have only seen a hair on the whole beast.

The DIY-child-modeling scene is massive and just as murky as you would believe. I'll look for some links on this topic, but I know that there have been articles in Salon and Harper's about this.

[johnnie]

18. It's a bit strange

Who else would be buying them besides some sick shit. I am trying to think of a way this is not messed up. The only thing I can think of is that this little girl wants to be a model and she thinks this is the right way to do it. That even sounds weird.

[JVS]

19. Double plus creepy

[Beware the Beast Man]

21. Problem is, there must be a loophole of sorts to pics like these.

It cannot technically be considered child porn, disgusting as it is, if she is clothed in each of those photos. That's what makes it even more atrocious.

[Not_Giving_Up]

45. From the main site there are links to similar pages

with other girls. EWWWW

I hope Dallas PD can, at the very least, get CPS involved.

[Beware the Beast Man]

54. Yeah, but the problem is, they are not LEGALLY doing wrong.

Ethically and morally, yes (in my opinion anyway), but there is nothing inherently illegal about these pics. It doesn't make them any less exploitative, though.

[mark414]

27. ughh

i really wish i wouldn't have looked at that

that's disgusting

[name not needed]

32. She can't be more than ten or eleven years old.

This is so fucking sick.

:grr:

[Name removed]

33. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[BigMcLargehuge]

40. IMPORTANT, PLEASE READ

Please do not post other images from this site on DU. The discussion is fine but the imagery is not.

Big McLargehuge
DU Moderator

[ET Awful]

48. That's why I didn't even post a direct link, but just the Google search

don't want any of the nastiness associated with DU.

[Moloch]

52. I'm going to send google an email about that...

I'm sure they aren't aware of it and wouldn't want any association with a site of that nature.

[BigMcLargehuge]

someone else did though

that's why I posted the please read :)

[ET Awful]

59. I know, I was just sayin' is all

:)

[proud2BlibKansan]

44. Yep, that's pretty sick

especially this part:

"Cindy in cut-off blue jeans cooling off on a hot summer's day. "
 

[ronnykmarshall]

67. Well there's nothing wrong with that!

They are just trying to get her a possible job with the Gap!

[RandomKoolzip]

46. Yeah, dude. That's kiddie porn.

They're using all the code words:

Buffalo CD  This is the first work ever done by Cindy and me, Curt Newbury. All these were taken when Cindy was living in Buffalo, Texas in the spring of 2002. This contains many high-res images of the following series: Trees, Blue Dress, Snake, Headshots, White Shorts, Swim Suit plus some hilarious out takes. A short video of out first VideoChat. An audio letter from Cindy to her new fans containing her now infamous "Aw." This sound is a cat-like exclamation of happiness from Cindy. There is no more engaging sound on the planet


 
New!!! California Dreaming CD  Pictures are from our trip to California, Cindy on the Cliffs, Beachgirl, Floral Swimsuit, and Goofy, some of Cindy's best and most creative dance moves. New!!! Swimmingly CD  Blue Swimsuit , Flowered (Boycut) Swimsuit, Pink Lipstick and First Fittings. More Cindy antics cavorting about in a variety of fetching situations. In Ping Lipstick Cindy mixes many coming of age looks and fascinating attitudes. On First Fittings she demonstrates new Jeannies designs, custom made for Cindy in her own, outrageus and memorable way."



Seriously, that's kiddie porn. Report it, or I will.

[ET Awful]

51. It's being reported by a couple of people, but

a few more never hurt.

I posted the site owner info above. Use that to report if you'd like.

[Not_Giving_Up]

56. I sent an e-mail to Dallas PD Computer Crimes Division

Please see the post above

[ronnykmarshall]

69. Her "fans"?

:wtf:

Oh yes, I'm sure Cindy has lots of 'fans'. Funny how there are all men over the age of 30.

[Skittles]

74. I have to agree

that's some sick stuff; report the bastard and let the detectives check it out.

[nine23]

57. Stop "debating" this and spam the guy.

I know this is LEGAL. I also know perverts into kiddie porn do not necessarily need full nudity to "get off" on this shit.

Spam the guy ON TASTE ALONE and stop fucking debating the technicalities!!!

[Not_Giving_Up]

58. Link to Computer Crimes Detective (Dallas PD)

[e-mail]

[Endangered Specie]

60. Its nice to see the activism present in this thread.

[patcox2]

61. So if there is a perv who gets off on the underwear ads in Sears cat.,

Seriously, if there are pervs out there who get off on the underwear ads in the Sears catalogue, or from looking at the pictures in 17 magazine, does that make the sears catalogue and seventeen magazine porn?

Sorry, but just because someone might use the material for perverted purposes does not transform otherwise legal pictures into illegal kiddie porn.

This reminds me of all the reports I have read of child porn prosecutions because motophoto personnel report people who take pictures of their kids in the bathtub. Hey, you never know, the kids may be in danger, lets make some accusations and ruin some lives.

[ET Awful]

62. Sears doesn't sell DVD's of children modeling in provocative poses

and using provocative language to describe them.

[Not_Giving_Up]

63. My husband is a fan of Victoria's Secret

They don't use 11 year olds

[tjdee]

71. Adriana Lima was 16 when she first started there.

Saw a special on VS models the other day. Apparently one VS manager said "send her home, she looks like a kid."

They didn't send her home.

Obviously she wasn't 11, but still.....in general, young looking, "teen" looking girls are considered very sexy by a number of men.

[Not_Giving_Up]

72. VS doesn't give you the descriptions that these people do

They are obviously not right.

Please see my thread about the response from the Detective.

[tjdee]

73. Oh definitely--

I'm not meaning to equate VS with that disgusto site you linked to.

I'm in agreement with everyone that that site is creepy. Glad you forwarded it to a detective.

[ronnykmarshall]

64. Ewwww!

That is VERY creepy.

[Uzybone]

65. Very very creepy

Im reproting too.

[TXlib]

68. This is one of the grey areas where the law really can't help too much.

The problem is, the purveyers of such pseudo-child-porn will always find a way to be just inside the law.

I would be surprised if law enforcement is not keeping an eye on them, just waiting for them to put one toe over the line. But as long as the naughty bits are covered, it doesn't matter how provocatively they pose.

It's very difficult to craft a law to shut such things down without trampling other freedoms... current child porn laws skirt the limits of the First Amendment, making it a crime even to possess it.

What about images where no human was filmed? With ever-better computer graphics, you could synthesize porn pics of anybody, real or fictional, that would be virtually indistinguishable from the real thing.

I'm afraid the only real way to deal with this that i can think of is to publicise the promoters... go to the local news with the story, with the domain owner's name. Let the news run an investigation, and track down the photographers, parents and promoters, and expose them to their community. The resulting social alienation will likely put a damper on it.

I'd email the folks at http://www.perverted-justice.com

They expose adults who troll the net, looking to have sex with children. They may have some suggestions for combatting this.

[crispini]

76. Here's the email I sent to the DMN.

I used [e-mail]

Dear Dallas Morning News:
This is not meant as a letter to the editor but as a story suggestion, thank you. I have just been made aware of an internet phenomenon known as "child modeling." These websites feature photograph packages of children that are quite legal to sell -- they are not child pornography -- but it requires only a cursory glance at the website to realize that the likely customers are, in fact, pedophiles. Take, for example, the website: http://www.cindymodel.com/

This website features membership at $19.95 a month, or you can purchase CDs and DVDs for prices such as $79.95.
http://www.cindymodel.com/Openingpagesart/CindyManiaBundle.htm

For example, the "Buffalo CD" described as: "This is the first work ever done by Cindy and me, Curt Newbury. All these were taken when Cindy was living in Buffalo, Texas in the spring of 2002. This contains many high-res images of the following series: Trees, Blue Dress, Snake, Headshots, White Shorts, Swim Suit plus some hilarious out takes. A short video of out first VideoChat. An audio letter from Cindy to her new fans containing her now infamous "Aw." This sound is a cat-like exclamation of happiness from Cindy. There is no more engaging sound on the planet."

This domain is maintained by "Curt Newbury Studios" here in Dallas:
Curt Newbury [e-mail] 214-823-4270
Curt Newbury Studios
6243 Llano ave.
Dallas,Texas,US 75214


Domain Name:cindymodel.com
Record last updated at 2004-05-18 02:37:30
Record created on 2002/5/20
Record expired on 2005/5/20

I would appreciate it if the Dallas Morning News would consider doing an article on this phenomenon, especially as this website is local. Although there is nothing ILLEGAL going on here, I find the whole proposition quite appalling. This child's image is being sold at phenomenal prices for pedophiles to enjoy. What must this do to her self-image? One wonders what she will think of the whole thing when she realized that, in effect, she has served as fodder for sick people's fantasies. The whole thing disgusts me.

[crispini]

75. Check out the text on this page.

http://www.cindymodel.com/Openingpagesart/Stuff_you_should_know.htm

[Katidid]

77. A father who sells his daughter ...

disgusting .... Where is MOM!!;(

[Az]

78. Ever seen a childrens beauty pagent?

Nothing different going on here. It disturbs me but there is an entire industry based on the presentation of children dressed as provactative adults. It manages to fly just below the radar of child porn. But it exists.

[ET Awful]

83. The children's beauty pageant isn't selling DVD's of still shots

marketed with provocative language.

[AngryAmish]

80. Does anyone know for sure the legal v. illegality of this stuff?

There was some cases of computer generated and clothed photos. I don't know where this falls. But it is sick.

[slutticus]

81. "Do you want to model?"

They have a link for this! On the main page.

This is the address. [e-mail]

I don't think this is just a dad selling pics of his daughter.
There seems to be an entire industry (Child Supermodels)

This is sick. I can't believe what I'm seeing.

Their "mission statement":

We here at CindyModel sort of have our own way of talking and looking at things. It's an attitude. It's a way of life. Some things can only be said in a certain way and convey the meaning of a mutual experience.

In Love Story, it was, “Loving someone means never having to say you’re sorry." A bit sticky.

In Terminator, Arnold said, “I’ll be back.” It had this ominous resonance.

There was a fantastic movie called Putney Swope. The key line I remember was, “Just don’t send me the laundry bill.” A great line.

In Angel Heart, Louis Cypher said, “The future’s not what it used to be.” One of my all time favorites.

If someone sneezes or coughs violently one could politely ask, “Did you get any on you?”

But, here at CindyModel, where the real world gives way to the hills and pastures of long-forgotten Arcadia, it’s “You know who you are, so go for it.” It works in any number of situations. The significance is deep and mysterious

:wtf:

[Deja Q]

82. Bloody 'ell, that site is an utter despicable disgrace.

I agree; call 'em in. A $140 value for $80 for risque pictures of who are colloquially known as "jailbait"... depraved.