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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 06:13 PM
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Sat Nite Tip: Woody Allen's new Film sucks.
Edited on Sat Sep-27-03 06:14 PM by Armstead
If you're thinkinging of going to a movie tonite, here's a tip. Skip Woody Allen's latest.

I saw it last nite with a friend and it was baaaad. It's really sour and pointless and not funny at all. Just a bunch of obnoxious people saying and doing obnoxious things.

So bad I can't even remember the name of it.

I'd even suggest seeing The Rock's movie before this one.

The preceeding is a "save your ticket money" public-service message from Armstead.



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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 06:15 PM
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1. I'm a Woody fan (early stuff)
but lately his films have been really, really bad. Curse of the Jade Scorpion was almost unwatchable.

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berner59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 06:17 PM
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2. Lost in Translation...
Better choice...
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 06:56 PM
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4. We were flipping a coin
That was the other possibility last nite...Oh well.
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Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 09:08 PM
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12. I just saw Lost In Translation!
I thought it was great. Bill Murray was impressive, as usual.
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sspiderjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 06:29 PM
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3. agreed -- Curse of the Jade Scorpion was awful.
nm
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FireHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 06:58 PM
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5. Almost? n/t
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 11:48 AM
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21. After Annie Hall, they started going downhill
Before Annie Hall, they were all kooky and weird. And I love kooky and weird.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 07:46 PM
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6. "Anything Else"
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 07:50 PM
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7. Is this a new development?
I thought all Woody Allen movies sucked.
Duckie
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 11:35 AM
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19. Congrats YellowRubberDuckie!! 200 posts
:toast:
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SweetZombieJesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 08:13 PM
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8. From what I've seen, Biggs was actually better off fucking pies
Seems Woody finally realized he was too old to cast himself as the lead in these atrocities and got the pie-fucker to play his proxy.

Know how annoying it is to listen to someone do a Woody Allen impression? This was two hours of that, with the added bonus of Christina Ricci's whiny generic neuroses. Now that's entertainment!

Woody the artist died about halfway into Stardust Memories. Now he's just a caricature of a caricature.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 08:15 PM
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9. Thanks for the warning--I've stopped watching any Woody Allen
movies after he married his wife's (adopted) daughter.

Millions of women out there and Woody Allen is only happy with a Korean girl who doesn't speak English that well and his step-daughter to boot . . .

Wonder what the good doctor Freud would have to say about that one.
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SweetZombieJesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 08:21 PM
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10. That's kind of a stupid reason to stop watching his movies
Chuck Berry is a giant pervert, but I still love his music.

Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin and shot his bass player, and I still love his music.

Woody's sucked for years before he married Soon Yi, but that isn't what made him suck, a complete lack of anything new to say after, say, Crimes & Misdemeanors or thereabouts, is what made him suck.
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Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 09:10 PM
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13. Good point
I know people who wouldn't see The Pianist because of Polanski's statutory rape conviction. Too bad, because they missed the best movie of last year (imo).
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 08:58 PM
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11. Soon Yi speaks English perfectly well
She's in her 30s now and has two adopted children. If you're interested in the dynamics of their relationship, try watching Wild Man Blues, a documentary of Woody's tour of Europe with his New Orleans jazz band. It's amazing, but Soon Yi dominates and calls all the shots and has Woody wrapped around her finger.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 12:15 PM
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22. The "Good Doctor Freud" ...
... married one of his cousins, Martha Bernays.

Come to think of it, so did George Washington. (He also married a Martha -- Martha Custis.)

This used to be common. Nowadays, people will use any damn excuse to get their sexual panties in a bunch. I can understand Mia Farrow becoming distraught, but the Woody/Soon-Yi relationship would have been considered normal through most of history. Not just in the Stone Age, but up through the 1970s. And, yes, even by the "Good Doctor Freud" -- read some of what he actually wrote.

When I was 26, I went out with a 20-year-old, and a good number of her friends were absolutely scandalized. I was the "old guy" who preyed upon her youthful looks and naivete. And these were not church-going biddies, they were inner-city art school students and punk rockers, hipsters all. One of the most mortally offended went on to become an organizer with ACT-UP.

My father was 29 when he met my mother, and she was 16; they got married when she was 20. If this happened today, every junior D.A. in town would be competing to prosecute him, in spite of the fact that it was OK with both families. (They were married a scant 44 years; the only reason it didn't last longer was because my father died.)

Kelsey Grammar had a torrid tryst with an underage cutie; I also seem to recall a much younger man in Shannen Doherty's life and bed, when she herself had only recently achieved the legal right to vote. I wonder why they were absolved, while Woody Allen and Roman Polanski still carry the Mark of Cain?

--bkl
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Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 09:14 PM
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14. Woody should stop making movies
At least the ones he's doing now. Maybe he should make another drama like Interiors or something. He's making the same damned movie; only the cast changes.

He hasn't made a great film since Crimes and Misdemeanors (perhaps his best), and hasn't made a good film since Sweet and Lowdown. Bullets Over Broadway was also very good. Now he's making crap, and they don't make money, either. I'm surprised he still has a deal with Dreamworks.
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Oracle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 09:15 PM
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15. maybe you were ready for lite Woody Allen
The dialogue in Woody Allen's "Anything Else" is an exercise of neurotic bravery, a defense against fear and insecurity. His characters are doubtful about their prospects in life. Careers aren't going well, and romance works only through self-deception. To hold despair at bay they talk and talk, and because Allen is a master of comic dialogue, it is our pleasure to listen.

The new movie has both a mentor and a narrator, so one character gives insights about life and the other gives insights about him. The hero is Jerry Falk (Jason Biggs), a would-be comedy writer whose career is going nowhere, and his advisor is David Dobel (Allen), a 60ish New Jersey school teacher whose career has gone nowhere; he hasn't stopped hoping, but he keeps the day job. They meet in the park for long talks, Dobel doing most of the talking, Jerry grateful at first and then dubious: If Dobel knows so much, how come he's still stuck?

Jerry was once fully and happily in love with Brooke (KaDee Strickland), a woman who presented no difficulties, which was perhaps the problem, since he left her for Amanda (Christina Ricci), a woman who consists of difficulties. Amanda is an actress who seems to keep Jerry around primarily as a foil for intimate improv scenes in which she explains the ways his life must be miserable if he is to continue enjoying her company. He asks if she doesn't love him. "Just because when you touch me I pull away?" she even asks. At one point, she declares a six-month moratorium on sex. When the ever-optimistic Jerry makes reservations at a fancy restaurant to celebrate their anniversary, she stands him up ("I already ate").

Jerry introduces Amanda to David. David's verdict is instantaneous: "She's cheating on you." He advises Jerry to spy on her, which he does by lurking in stairwells and skulking in doorways for hours at a time, until finally he thinks he has enough proof to confront her, not realizing that in matters of cheating the worst thing you can do is expose the other person -- because then they have their excuse to leave. Better to suffer in silence, as the wise Charles Bukowski once advised, until they figure out which one they want.

"Anything Else" is not simply a comedy about Jerry's romance, Amanda's deceptions and David's advice, however. There's a darker undercurrent. David has fears, not all of them revealed, and takes his young protege to a gun shop to buy him a weapon. Everyone needs a gun, he explains, to feel safer, to protect themselves, and so on. Jerry is dubious, Amanda is appalled and David seems to be revealing only the surface of his fears.

Amanda moves out, moves back in, and then her mother, Paula (Stockard Channing), moves in too, with a personality that overcrowds the apartment. Channing is a great original, an actress with the ability to make absurd statements as if anyone would agree with them. She wants to start over as a torch singer, she says, and has a young boyfriend she met at an AA meeting (apparently not a successful one, since they're soon doing coke together). With a girl who doesn't want to live with him and her mother who does, Jerry's almost ready to listen when David suggests he dump everything so that just the two of them can leave for Los Angeles, where all the jobs are anyway.

But that would mean leaving Harvey (Danny DeVito), Jerry's long-time agent, who charges him 25 percent, which is way above the industry standard, but then again Jerry is his only client and never works anyway. DeVito brings electric energy to his scenes as an intense dynamo who feels so strongly about the agent-client relationship that when Jerry hints it may be ending, he pulls a scene in a restaurant that more or less defines the notion of a public spectacle.

The movie avoids the usual pitfalls of comedies about young romance and gets jolts from the supporting work by Channing and DeVito. And Allen is inimitable as the worrywart who backs into every decision, protesting and moaning about the pitfalls and certain disappointment sure to lie ahead. At a time when so many American movies keep dialogue at a minimum so they can play better overseas, what a delight to listen to smart people whose conversation is like a kind of comic music.

Note: Here's a strange thing. The studio, DreamWorks, seems to be trying to conceal Woody Allen's presence in the movie. He is the writer and director, and has top billing in the credits, but he is never seen in the trailer, the commercials,or the TV review clips. The trailer gives full-screen credits to Jason Biggs and Christina Ricci, but only belatedly adds "From Woody Allen," not mentioning that he also stars. It's as if they have the treasure of a Woody Allen movie and they're trying to package it for the "American Pie" crowd.

Rogert Ebert
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 10:17 PM
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16. He had the same themes in Manhatten and Annie Hall...
but they were entertaining to watch.

Woody Allen's basic view of life is very bleak. But at least he used to balance it with a sense of humor, an appreciation of community, and a certain empathy for all of the people in his films who tripped over each other.

Now all that's gone and all thsi is left is the whining.

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Oracle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 10:32 PM
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17. Both excellent films...Manhattan I especially adore...
Edited on Sat Sep-27-03 10:34 PM by Oracle
Everyone loved Annie Hall of course...I also like his study of a family and long time marriage breaking up in the bleak but real Interiors..
And in the last fifteen years it's starting to fade, not everyone is a gem but so many are classics..Purple Rose, Crimes and Misdemeanors, Hannah and her Sister's and more recently, the one with Sean Penn I can't recall the name, and Reconstructing Harry, killed me..."I always have extra whore money on me."
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Oracle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 10:40 PM
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18. Oh yeah...how could I forget the underrated, great study of people
Edited on Sat Sep-27-03 10:42 PM by Oracle
lying in their realationships and never quite coming forth with their true feelings but their actions say it all...the great Allen classic "Husbands and Wives"...he told Mia Farrow she could chose either womens role...she chose the right one...Judy Davis was so fucking funny stole the show and she too got the correct role for her.
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UCLA02 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 11:42 AM
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20. Sucks? Is that supposed to imply in contrast to the last 20?
Not only should Woody Allen STOP making movies, he never should have STARTED!


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