Worst NFL Quarterback ever?

[underpants]

I have to go with Testaverde given the length of his career of sucking. NOTE to the business powers of the NFL-DON'T HIRE A COLOR BLIND QB SUFFERING FROM DEMENTIA (or Vertigo whatever it is).

That clown playing for the Bears now is close but he hasn't had the chance to disprove himself over time yet.

[unblock]

1. vinnie and i are both color blind migraineurs.

[maveric]

2. Sean Salibury was pretty bad. He sucks on the NFL shows too.

Archie Manning spent most of his career on his back due to pathetic Saints teams, so with help he's up there too.

How about Ryan Leaf?

[chicagojoe]

8. Salibury MUST have been bad. Never heard of him!

[Bozita]

13. Yes, Ryan Leaf

too much money, too little brains

[claudiajean]

92. HEY! Ryan is my WSU homeboy!!!! n/t

[argyl]

113. Leaf got more for signing than Unitas, Starr, Tittle, Layne, and Baugh got

for their whole careers combined.
Definitely too much money.Indy was torn between making him or Peyton Manning the #1 choice of the draft that year.

Choice between perfect physical speciman or brains and heart.They definitely made the correct choice.

[Seabiscuit]

155. Damned right. I'm from San Diego and Ryan Leaf really sucked!

[bemis12]

158. Absolutely, Ryan Leaf

In 1998 he had 4 yards passing against KC in one game. They brutalized him.

[brentspeak]

16. Salisbury Steak

I do remember one game when he did really well. It was a wild-card game against the Giants sometime in the early 90's. He was hitting all his receivers.

Only problem was, his receivers kept dropping passes. Even Cris Carter.
Salisbury Steak got knocked out of the game, in came Jim McMahon. McChicken was accurate, too. But the Vikings receivers kept dropping passes, and the Giants won.

[Deja Q]

3. Is Randy Moss a quarterback?

Anyone who hits a female cop with their car disgusts me.

[chicagojoe]

7. Moss is a receiver. A major A-Hole as well.

[Robeson]

50. "A major A-Hole as well."...

...No he's not.

[chicagojoe]

65. Yes he is. And I'm not even referring to the car thing.

[Robeson]

96. How? What has he done to personally offend you?

And is he a class A a-hole when he seeks out kids with palsey in wheel chairs during games to give them the ball he just scored a touchdown with, instead of pulling out a sharpey or cell phone like some receivers? But oh, I forgot, ESPN doesn't cover it when he makes a cripple kids day, an event which will be the highlight of that kids very short life. No, they only cover him if they think it can boost ratings....Showing him as a normal human being, just wouldn't boost ratings, would it?

But I do know, because I watch them every week. But somehow, I've yet to see that covered....But, I guess you're right. I guess his whole life can just be summed up as being an asshole....

[Joe Power]

122. Moss history lesson

Randy Moss was arrested in HS for beating a kid severely enough that he needed to be hospitalized. It was not his first brush with the law, only the best documented. He had already been receiving the star treatment from his coaches, teachers, and the law. He comes by his arrogance honestly.

Moss was initially recruited by Lou Holtz at Notre Dame. When the powers-that-be got wind of such a thug being recruited, the offer was rescinded immediately.

He was then recruited by Florida State. He showed up for his physical with pot in his system. Moss was even too much of a problem child for Bobby Bowden. That may have been a first.

He then went to then I-AA Marshall. Marshall is easily the dirtiest mid-major program in America. They are currently laboring under sanctions incurred during the years just prior to, during, and immediately after Moss' years there ( http://www.ncaa.org/news/2002/20020107/div1/3901n33.html ). While there, he was involved in a few public incidents, including assaulting a woman. He was rumored to have been involved in more, as well. As is always the case at Marshall, nothing came of any of his transgressions.

From there, you get to his slide down the draft board due to his past, and all of the things he's done since that are much more public due to his prominence.

Yes, he does do some nice things for kids. He goes back to West Virginia to give back now and then, too. His virtues do not make him a saint any more than his "issues" make him a monster. He is a very flawed man, one who has shown some signs of growing up, but not many.

[underpants]

124. A little inside info on the Marshall sanctions

Really not a big deal. They weren't doing anything that a lot of other schools (but St.Bobbie never gets busted for anything) don't do. The NCAA (thugs themselves) got PO'ed because the lead investigator was a woman and when she went to meet with the alum involved this pigheaded sexist idiot talked down to her and told her to get out of his office-he wouldn't answer questions from a WOMAN.

So the NCAA slammed them much more than was warranted. Trust me I know ALL about the whole thing. The alum in question had his season tickets revoked and is banned from entering the football stadium.

Huntington and Southern WV is Herd crazy but if you knew anything about the community you would know that the locals don't' put up with bad behavior even from the Herds players.

MU was VERY corrupt just before the plane crash. They threw the coach and the whole team out and were starting over. Everyone in my family knows exactly where they were when the three biggest events of their lives took place-The JFK assassination, the Marshall plane crash, and 9/11.

I could go on about my family's connections to the crash but that is their personal business and not for me to talk about/post.

I will finish with this. Marshall has an outstanding Prop 48 program in place to bring players up to speed academically. They have graduated every single Prop 48 player they have ever had 100%.

[Joe Power]

125. That's not true at all

Marshall, under Pruett, is still one of the dirtiest programs in America.

They were cited for not one, but two, Lack of Institutional Control violations in their most recent spate of NCAA violations (2002). They were paying players and providing them with test answers.

Marshall Reynolds is still rumored to be associated with the team by providing financial assistance to the program indirectly.

Those boys don't play by the rules, and never have. The claim that they were doing what everyone else was doing is hogwash, and exactly why the same thing happens down there repeatedly. As for being dealt with extra harshly, that is also hogwash...they got off easy due to the NCAA having two other very high-profile programs getting busted at the same time.

To put it in perspective, Marshall has had more NCAA violations than any of the other 14 member institutions in the MAC combined. Way more. In fact, the numbers are mind-boggling.

[underpants]

126. BS

Sorry but the reason they have gotten investigated at all are two fold:

1.they flew too high too fast-they meteoric rise set off red flags and brought closer scrutiny than all the other MAC teams combined.

2.Miami of Ohio-a LONG running hatred between the two. MU has been playing defense against "tips" and everyone knows where they are coming from. The haven't gone on the offensive though much to their detriment or credit however you want to look at it.

The only was Reynolds is near the picture is way under the table dealings from distant connections.

[Joe Power]

127. LOL!

Whatever helps you root for them with a clear conscience. I didn't see Miami mentioned in any of this, nor is Marshall the most successful/prominent MAC team ever.


The NCAA News -- January 7, 2002

Infractions case: Marshall University

The Division I Committee on Infractions has found lack of institutional control at Marshall University for violations of bylaws involving impermissible employment of academic nonqualifiers and a separate academic fraud incident.

The committee placed the university on four years of probation and reduced grants-in-aid in football and men's basketball, among other penalties.

The committee found that for a number of years, athletics department personnel arranged employment with a representative of the university's athletics interests for student-athletes in the football and men's basketball programs who were nonqualifiers during their initial year of enrollment. In addition, those student-athletes were paid at a rate much higher than rates commensurate with similar employment in the area.

A nonqualifier is an individual who does not meet NCAA academic qualifications as an incoming freshman. Individuals who are nonqualifiers are not allowed to practice or compete with their respective teams during their initial year and may not receive athletically related financial aid. NCAA bylaws also prohibit athletics interests from arranging employment for nonqualifiers during the first year of enrollment.

Specifically, between November 1996 and the spring semester of 2000, at least 21 football nonqualifiers and two nonqualifiers in the men's basketball program were employed by a representative of the university's athletics interests during their first year of enrollment. The individuals performed janitorial duties at a business owned by the representative and were paid $25 per hour.

Athletics officials, particularly in the football program, were aware of the employment, and concurred that the assistance to nonqualifiers was an established program before the head football coach joined the university in 1996. One football staff member was assigned to coordinate the employment at the athletics representative's business; however, there was inadequate documentation of hours worked, wages paid or other assurance that the program met NCAA bylaws.

The academic fraud incident occurred during the spring of 1999 when an assistant professor at the university, who also served as a volunteer flexibility coach in the athletics program, provided advance copies of a final examination to football student-athletes. The committee concluded that the facts of the case demonstrated unethical conduct, academic fraud and provision of extra benefits.

During the university's hearing before the Committee on Infractions in September 2001, the committee members notified institutional representatives they were considering a finding of lack of institutional control and invited the university to respond at a later hearing or through written submission. The university responded briefly at the hearing and then later provided a response in greater detail in a letter from the university president. The committee concluded after considering all of the evidence that a finding of lack of institutional control was appropriate.

In its public report, the committee outlined detailed rationale for its finding of lack of institutional control pertaining to the employment of student-athletes. Evidence showed that before 1998, there was no system in place to monitor student-athlete employment. Beginning in 1998, a system was put into place, but it did not work properly. In addition, lack of communication between coaches and the compliance office contributed to the compliance problem.

Members of the committee said they were concerned about the university's lack of initiative to review policies about nonqualifier employment after specific concerns were raised. This eventually led to three self-reports by the university. Of those, the second and third reports amended limited and inaccurate information provided in the first report.

The committee said it was troubled by the overall effort taken by the university to understand and comply with NCAA bylaws, as well as to undertake adequate inquiry when possible problems had been identified. "This record of institutional response is hardly evidence of a university in charge and acting affirmatively to uncover and eliminate violations and compares quite unfavorably with the record of numerous other institutions that have appeared before the committee, institutions that vigorously and aggressively pursued an investigation once they learned of problems in their programs," the report said.

The Committee on Infractions considered self-imposed actions and penalties taken by the university. Among actions taken in February 2000, following discovery of impermissible employment arrangements, the university:

* Immediately released all current nonqualifiers from their current jobs in the event it was established that the athletics department facilitated their employment.

* Ended all employment assistance and offers of employment assistance to all nonqualifiers.

* Reduced the number of nonqualifiers the football and men's basketball programs are allowed to recruit. In football, the number of nonqualifiers permitted in 2001 was reduced to eight and then to six in 2002. In men's basketball, the number of nonqualifiers was reduced to one beginning in 2000. (Note: After July 2001, it was determined immediately to suspend for a two-year period the recruitment of all nonqualifiers in the football and men's basketball programs after their respective 2001 seasons).

* Scheduled appropriate rules education sessions.

* Declared all affected student-athletes ineligible and sought immediate restoration through the NCAA student-athlete reinstatement process.

* Required the student-athlete employment coordinator to attend an NCAA compliance seminar.

* Created the position of assistant compliance director.

In July 2001, after the discovery of extra benefits violations, the university:

* Discontinued recruitment of nonqualifiers in all sports for a period of two years beginning with the 2002-03 academic year.

* Placed a two-year moratorium on employment for all student-athletes at the athletics representative's business.

* Reduced grants-in-aid in football by two in 2002-03 and one in 2003-04. The university also proposed to reduce by one the 12 allowable official recruiting visits in men's basketball for 2002-03 and 2003-04, but the committee considered this penalty meaningless because the university averaged only eight visits in men's basketball during the past four years.

* Disassociated the athletics representative for two years beginning with the 2001-02.

* Fined the athletics representative an amount equal to all legal costs and internal costs incurred by the university because of involvement in NCAA legislation.

* Imposed a two-year probationary period.

* Required several staff members to attend rules compliance seminars in 2002 and 2003.

* Required the assistant athletics director for compliance to conduct a presentation regarding NCAA rules governing student-athlete employment to conference compliance coordinators and to give a presentation about NCAA rules to a number of university groups.

* Produced and distributed an educational brochure to all representatives of the university's athletics interests.

* Realigned compliance responsibilities on a sport-specific basis between the compliance director and the assistant compliance director.

* Implemented a zero-tolerance policy for NCAA rules violations.

* Established an interim compliance committee to review the decisions of the compliance office.

* Transferred the compliance director from athletics to another department at the university.

* Issued letters of reprimand from the university president to the senior vice-president for operations who supervises the department of athletics, the director of athletics, the faculty athletics representative, the assistant director of athletics, the head football coach and the head men's basketball coach.

In addition, the Mid-American Conference has undertaken creation of preventive model protocols on nonqualifiers and transfer student-athletes.

Because of the serious nature of the case, the Committee on Infractions imposed all additional penalties that directly impact the athletics programs and activities that produced the infractions. The following additional penalties were imposed:

* Public reprimand and censure.

* Four years of probation beginning December 21, 2001.

* The university will reduce the number of initial counters available in football by five in each of the 2002-03, 2003-04 and 2004-05 academic years. The university is limited to 20 initial football counters in those years. Marshall has averaged 23 initial football counters during the past four years.

* The university will reduce the total number of football counters to 80 during the 2002-03, 2003-04 and 2004-05 academic years. The university self-imposed a limit of 83 counters in 2002-03 and 84 in 2003-04 and has averaged 84 football counters in the past four years. The reduction was based on information submitted by the university that documented Marshall had over-awarded football grants by at least 15 over the 1997-98 through 1999-00 academic years. The overage resulted from inclusion of the wages paid to nonqualifiers who worked for the athletics representative in the calculation of athletically related financial aid.

* The university will reduce the number of total counters in men's basketball by one during the 2002-03 and 2003-04 academic years. That limits the institution to 12 counters in each of those two years. It has averaged 13 counters in men's basketball during the past four years. The reduction was based on information submitted by the university that documented Marshall had over-awarded men's basketball grants by at least a total of two during 1998-99 and 1999-00. The overage resulted from inclusion of the wages paid to nonqualifiers who worked for the athletics representative in the calculation of athletically related financial aid.

* The former volunteer flexibility coach will be informed in writing by the NCAA that because of his involvement in certain violations of NCAA legislation, if he seeks employment or affiliation in an athletically related position at an NCAA member institution during the period of time beginning December 21, 2001, and ending December 20, 2003, he and the involved institution will be requested to appear before the Division I Committee on Infractions to consider whether the member institution should be subject to the show-cause procedures that could limit the coach's athletically related duties at the new institution for a designated period.

* The university will show-cause why it should not be penalized further if it fails to disassociate the athletics representative from its athletics program for a period of five years from December 21, 2001, based on his failure to provide complete and accurate records and his refusal to fully cooperate with the investigation. The disassociation will include refraining from accepting any assistance from him, refusing his financial assistance or contributions, ensuring that he receives no athletics benefits or privileges and implement any other actions necessary to eliminate his involvement in the university's athletics program.

* During the probationary period, the university will continue to develop and implement a comprehensive education program on NCAA legislation and submit periodic reports to the NCAA. At the end of the probationary period, the university's president will provide a letter to the committee affirming that the university's current athletics policies and practices conform to all requirements of NCAA regulations.

As required by NCAA legislation for any institution involved in a major infractions case, Marshall is subject to the NCAA's repeat-violator provisions for a five-year period beginning on the effective date of the penalties in this case (December 21, 2001).

The members of the Division I Committee on Infractions who heard this case are: Thomas E. Yeager, committee chair and commissioner, Colonial Athletic Association; Paul T. Dee, director of athletics, University of Miami (Florida); Fred Lacey, attorney and retired judge, LeBoeuf, Lamb, Green and MacRae, Newark, New Jersey; Gene Marsh, professor of law, University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa; Andrea Myers, athletics director at Indiana State University; James Park Jr., attorney and retired judge, Frost Brown Todd, Lexington, Kentucky; and Josephine Potuto, professor of law, University of Nebraska, Lincoln.

A copy of the complete report from the Division I Committee on Infractions is available on NCAA Online at www.ncaa.org.

[underpants]

128. Oh and I will add this

I am not saying MU are saints-they aren't. I know this personally BUT

The problems with the NCAA itself are the result of one simple thing

MONEY

The NCAA is widely known in accounting circles to be totally unaccountable for a lot of money. I don't think they even have an audit done nor ever have. Total corruption stemming from total control. They are completely above the law in fact they make their own.

The NCAA just loved MU when they were hosting and playing in the I-AA championships at their made for TV stadium (sweetheart deal I also know all about). Everything was just peachey until they moved up to I-A and the NCAA wasn't making the money off them they used to make.

A perfect juxtaposition is Fla. State. Despitely repeated unlawful infractions
-shoplifiting
-current players signing memorabilia at junk yards and THEFT of credit cards and checks
-Janikowski-that is a whole subject in and of itself

Never you mind says the NCAA now Bobbie we have a Thursday night game against NC State on ESPN in October...oh can ESPN interview you DURING the game on the sidelines?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

FSU is a cashcow to the NCAA-much more than MU ever was and so they get away with anything they want CA-CHING!

If St.Bobbie ever did get caught redhanded (he has) well Dag gummit he was taking a nap and he don't know what them fine young men do with their Dag gum free time anyway.

[Robeson]

51. That was not the whole story...

...and its been much overblown.

[FredScuttle]

73. Care to share the "whole story"?

I'd love to hear the justification for trying to run over a cop.

[Robeson]

94. Sure, some witnesses on the scene said that he turned onto...

...a street which was a wrong way street. The police officer put her body in front of his vehicle, while still moving, then set on his hood, while still moving. When he stopped, she fell off. In fact, at the time, some who saw it, said it appeared it was the police officer who was the one who was freaking out the entire incident, and that he was calm. And that he was just trying to get over since he saw he was on a one way street. But I'm sure its easier to listen to the sensationalist media account, since the American Media always tells the truth... :eyes: Or do some people want to condemn the media, when its a story they don't like, i.e. elections, or believe it, if it confirms their preconceived opinions, i.e., black dude with hair in cornrolls, expensive car, hell, he must be a no good gang-banger....Nope, guess there's never two sides to any story, is there?

I thought this was a "Liberal" site. Benefit of a doubt, that kind of thing....I wonder?

[FredScuttle]

104. So, what you're saying is....

Randy "Upstanding Citizen" Moss drove down a one-way street, refused to stop when a police officer ordered him to do so, and carried said officer on his hood until he finally stopped. Yeah, that makes all sorts of sense.

Of course, if the "witnesses" you cite are to believed, ol' Randy stayed calm through the whole thing, Hannibal Lecter-style, while the officer, who was probably attempting to serve a moving violation notice, "freaked out" because she was riding a hood. Just imagine if that was you, or I, driving that car and surmise how much leeway we ordinary citizens would have received for playing surf-cop on our hoods. I'm guessing Abu Gharib would be an easier fate than what we would have got.

And, to allay your fears, my problem with Randy Moss has nothing to do with his skin color (which, BTW, is the same as mine) or his cornrows or his Mercedes or his incredible pass-catching talent. Nay, my problem can be summmed up in his rap sheet:

*In 1995, Moss and another student gave a major beatdown to a kid named Ernest Roy Johnson at Dupont High in South Carolina. Ernest was hospitalized with injuries to his spleen, liver and kidney and also suffered a concussion. He spent some time in an intensive care unit. Moss lost a scholarship to Notre Dame because of the fight. While on probation, he tested positive for marijuana once, and was in the same car with a friend who was arrested for possession another time. That got him kicked off Florida State's football team. The kid who took the beatdown from Moss later filed a motion in circuit court which said the judge never followed through on his promise to make Moss pay.

* Moss paid for choking the mother of his child - 30 days in the slammer for domestic battery.

* In 1999, Moss had been scheduled to participate in the NFL's scouting combine, but he canceled his trip to Indianapolis the day the event began because, according to his agent, an abscessed wisdom tooth flared up and forced him to have six teeth removed. The abscessed tooth must have really made him mad, because Moss was seen by scouts cursing out a sporting goods store manager during the time he was supposed to be at the combine. Randy got upset when he noticed they didn't have any Marshall caps in stock.

* Once in the pros (having been drafted by the Vikings as the 21st pick), Moss' first incident came when he was kicked off an airplane after a confrontation with a flight attendant over carry-on luggage. The Pittsburgh-bound US Airways flight had taxied across the tarmac but returned to the gate at Yeager Airport to have Moss removed. The matter was turned over to the Federal Aviation Administration and the FBI

* Moss soon racked up NFL fines - in 1999 he was fined $10,000 for excessive verbal abuse of side judge Larry Rose. During a game against the Chicago Bears on Nov. 14, Moss was flagged after Cris Carter caught his third touchdown of the day. Moss continued to argue with an official about a call on the previous play. Randy was fined a second time for abusing game officials, this time for $40,000, after he squirted a water bottle at a ref during the Vikings' 49-37 playoff loss to the St. Louis Rams. Moss' rampage against the refs continued into his second season. He got ejected from a game against Tampa Bay in October, 2000 and was fined $25,000 for grabbing field judge Lloyd McPeters' arm. He had to cough up an extra $15,000 as part of an agreement he made not to get into any more trouble with game officials after the previous season's water-squirting incident. There was also one game where Moss went ill on a security guard who would not to let some of his friends on the field.

* And, of course, I could mention his penchant for straight-out dogging it during games. John Madden pointed out that Moss made a habit of not running hard on plays that weren't called for him. ESPN's Merril Hoge noted that Moss wasn't exactly searching out an oxygen mask following a Vikings series where he was dogging it. Moss, himself, admitted as much in an interview with ESPN magazine - he admitted that he doesn't always give 100 percent. ``It doesn't really bother me when people talk about me taking plays off,'' Moss said in the interview. ``It only bothers me when I'm on the field and I take a play off, and the ball's thrown and I'm not where I should be. Or if (running back) Robert (Smith) comes through there and I'm taking that play off. Only when something bad happens on the field.'' He was also quoted as saying "I play when I want to play."
Real great attitude...he should ask the offensive linemen if they have the luxury of "playing when they want to play"

Randy Moss will get the benefit of the doubt from me when he grows up and starts acting like a responsible adult instead of the infantile child he's been since he got away with his first fuck-up in high school.

[chicagojoe]

4. Any Bear QB since Jim McMahon .

[Robeson]

52. Why exclude McMahon?

[chicagojoe]

67. Good QB. Any evidence otherwise?

[Robeson]

98. About as much evidence that you've presented...

...that Randy Moss is a major leajue A-hole...

But all seriousness aside, McMahon was adequate at best. I could have led that Bears team to a Super Bowl victory. They were all D. All Jimmy "Mac" had to do, was make sure he didn't fumble the snap, or the hand-off to Walter Payton. I'm not downgrading the team though. For a single season, it was probably the best defense ever.

[FredScuttle]

106. Let's see......1985 stats for Jim McMahon

OK, let's dispense with the fact that Jimmy Mac was the starting QB for the NFC in the Pro Bowl that season....after all, it's the PLAYERS who make that determination and what do they know?

We should consider that he passed for 256 yards in the Super Bowl after tossing 3 TDs and close to 400 yards in the previous playoff shutouts against the Giants and Rams. You are correct in your assertion that the Bears defense keyed their dominance that season, but you shouldn't shortchange McMahon...he was a very effective QB who made few, if any, mistakes (no turnovers in the entire 1985 postseason).

BTW, I wonder how you would have pulled out victories against Tampa Bay in Week 1 and your Vikings in Week 3 of that '85 season when the defense let in 28 and 24 points, respectively. McMahon meant more to that 1985 squad than mere stats...he was the heart of the squad and lent the swagger and attitude that the Bears carried to the Super Bowl. Joe Montana and Phil Simms both passed for over 1300 more yards than Jimmy Mac that year, yet they both watched him win the Super Bowl.

[chicagojoe]

149. Armchair quarterbacks, such as yourself, bore me.

Look into Moss' college career for evidence. Just another of the modern-day thug-letes. Now, go ahead and accuse me of racism and get it over with.

[OhioBlue]

152. McMahon rocks

you all can debate the athletic ability of the QB's all ya want - I was a junior high girl that was addicted to fb b/c of McMahon.

[underpants]

114. BOB AVEILLINI!!!!!!!!!

I remember when they fired him and then hired him back 2 weeks later and he STARTED!!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. Testaverde Has Put Up Decent Numbers

Has Taken Teams To The Playoffs....


I'm not a big fan of his but he is far from the worst...

[matcom]

6. Bledsoe

[underpants]

12. Bledsoe is the greatest since Kosar

and Bernie ROCKED!!!!!!!!!!!

fuckin' Elway fuckin' fumbles

Bledsoe has the best arm in the last ten years of the NFL...'cept the Farvree guy

[matcom]

14. tunnel vision

is his downfall. ALWAYS will be. no sense that kid

[underpants]

18. Well it's not like he had John Hannah blocking for him

If you get that reference I will be impressed.

[matcom]

20. .

[underpants]

28. BAD ASS!

:thumbsup:

[maveric]

21. Hannah was Steve Grogan's savior.

IMO Grogan was the best QB the Pats ever had.

[brentspeak]

30. Grogan was fun to watch,, similar to Fran Tarkenton

Small guy. Looked more like a highschool teacher than an NFL quarterback. But he was smart and gutsy. He frequently had to scramble all over the field to avoid sacks thanks to his usually weak protection.

[eyepaddle]

35. Are you talkin' 'bout

Bernie "the Statue" Kosar?

[underpants]

115. !!!!!!!!!!!BERNIE!!!!!!!!!

My all-time favorite I loved when he won the Super Bowl for the Cowboys in '94

Bernie got his ring!!!!!!!!!

[48pan]

61. No Question. Bledsoe is all hype.

Great arm. Awful brain.

He's the anti-Tom Brady. Brady... Fair arm, good brain.

I liked Steve Grogan. He may have been the toughest quarterback ever to play the game. He had a very mediocre team and never got a ring but he was tough.

[democracyindanger]

9. Rick. Mirer. nt

[maveric]

10. I'll say it again. Ryan Leaf.

The absolute worst. A real asshole too.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

24. Ryan Leaf seconded. Dude may have had like the lowest rating

for a starter ever, and was paid really well for it too. Chargers mortgaged their future for him, and the team was mired in suckitude for quite some time as a result...

[Seabiscuit]

156. Ryan Leaf thirdeded.

[LeftyMom]

11. Druckenmiller

a forgetable 49er QB who played in between Young and Garcia, was pretty awful. He could always be counted on for an interception when it would hurt most.

[underpants]

15. Yeah but he was STRONG!

The Tech fans around here were mesmerized by his weight lifting ability.....they might as well be Nascar fans.

[brentspeak]

25. Ken O'Brien of the Jets

O'Brien's specialty was to launch an impressive drive to the opponent's red zone - and then promptly throw an interception.

The Jets chose O'Brien instead of Marino or Elway.

[underpants]

27. Good one O'Brien was bad

very very bad

[Texasgal]

17. Quincy Carter

SUCKS!!!! ( I also agree with Vinnie as well )

[brentspeak]

19. Heath Shuler

This guy is living in luxury from a multimillion signing bonus the Redskins dumbly gave him. I'm not sure he's even in the league anymore.

[Hippo_Tron]

22. As a New Orleans resident, I second that vote

Although our current QB (Aaron Brooks) isn't doing too great either.

[underpants]

26. I don't get what is with Brooks

Being Vick's cousin has nothing to do with it. He has every skill in the book..........mmmm maybe too much Nah'leans

[Hippo_Tron]

33. Amongst other things, he's not that bright

He forgets plays and often has to waste a timeout so that we don't get penalized for delay of game. To his credit our offensive line is horrible, McAlister doesn't get nearly the rushing yards that he should get because nobody blocks for him. Brooks' biggest problem is inconsistancy. He has the ability to throw some great passes but at the same time, he's almost guaranteed to throw 2 interceptions a game. I'll also give him credit that he's only had a few years and maybe he'll get better with experience but the fact is that with four good recievers: Joe Horn, Jerome Pathon, Donte Stallworth, and Michael Lewis, our passing game should be much better.

[Hippo_Tron]

32. n/t

[underpants]

23. LONG gone

not even coaching. See what having international track athletes on your college team can do for your numbers?

[nytemare]

53. I can't remember what pick in the draft he was

But I know he was 1st round. Danny Wuerffel was pretty bad too.

[FredScuttle]

29. Eli Manning

Sure, it's early yet and kid has a long way to go to measure up against the Tood Marinoviches and Jeff Georges of the world, but he's my pick based purely on my white-hot hatred of the vomitous hype afforded this brat by media. After he whined and cried that he wouldn't go to San Diego, it's fitting that the Chargers are having their best season in a decade while he's failing in New York. He deserves a Ryan Leaf fate, nothing less.

[DaveinMD]

75. Eli

is going to be great. The thing would have been completely private had San Diego not gone to the press.

[FredScuttle]

107. Eli will be great?

Based on what? His penchant for drive-killing turnovers late in games or his seeming total inability to cope with high-pressure situations?

And, I can forgive San Diego airing what amounts to extortion perpetrated by this petulant child. His father made much the same comment to the media as well.

[DaveinMD]

146. He played

a great game against Pitt and was good last week too. As soon as his receivers start helping him, he will be very good. I have no problem with what Eli did. He didn't want to play in San Diego. That team blew the entire thing up. It was a pr thing for their fans. Manning is a good kid. Every pro athlete should be the citizen he is.

[sir_captain]

83. He didn't whine and cry at all

He had a private conversation with the Chargers, who leaked that conversation to the media to try and make him look like an asshole. You don't need to buy into it too.

[FredScuttle]

109. Yup, my old lying eyes acting up again

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft04/news/story?id=1787271

a choice quote:

"...In fact, a source close to Manning told ESPN's Chris Mortensen that Manning is prepared to sit out the 2004 season if he is selected by the Chargers with the first pick. If Manning remained unsigned until next year's draft, he would go back into the draft in 2005."


The Chargers didn't need to try to make him look like an asshole...he and his father demonstrated quite clearly that they personify the modern NFL asshole. This is why, even though I don't root for him, Peyton Manning has my utmost respect. He took his place in the draft without complaint and endured some horrendous years with the Colts before turning them into a contending team.

[sir_captain]

132. Nonsense

First of all, Peyton Manning had *one* bad year--his first. The Colts were 13-3 his second year--do your homework.

Second, if you reread that article you posted, you will see that Archie Manning and Eli's agent had a private conversation with the Chargers, which the Chargers' GM then leaked to the press!

[FredScuttle]

142. The picking of nits has commenced, I see

First, I concede my mistake on Peyton's first year with the Colts. My bad, but I don't think it takes away from my point, which is that Peyton accepted his fate in the draft like a grown-up, in stark contrast to his little brother.

On your second point, if the Chargers GM notified Archie Manning ahead of time that he was going to discuss their conversation to the press, does it really count as a "leak"? And what say you of the "Manning family source" who told Chris Mortensen that, if the Chargers dared draft precious little Eli, he would take his ball and go home?

[Hippo_Tron]

93. He went to my high school, as did Payton

Our team couldn't even get to state when we had either of them.

[Blue_Tires]

31. Heath Shuler

and add a vote for Gino Torretta

[St. Jarvitude]

34. CADE MCNOWN

Hands down.

What a fucking tool. A fucking tool. :grr:

I hear he's flipping burgers in San Francisco these days... good riddance I say :grr: :grr: :grr:

[chicagojoe]

68. Did his career end with the Bears, or was another team stupid, too?

[Beer Snob-50]

36. tony eason for the patriots

he was so shell shocked from getting sacked, he would see someone coming and just go down.

[maveric]

37. DING DING DING DING! You Win!

If Grogan started that Super Bowl against the Bears the score wouyld have been a lot closer than 46-10.
I dont know what the Patriot organization saw in him.

[Beer Snob-50]

39. i forgot to mention that in my original nomination

grogan led them to all those wins to lead them to the playoffs and then come the superbowl, raymond berry thought eason could do the better job. bastard!!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

164. Did Grogan not even play in that Superbowl where the Bears blew 'em out?

I remember the shellacking but I didn't remember this about Grogan.

The other nonclassy thing I remember is the Fridge touchdown, Sweetness did not get a touchdown in that game if I recall. Not cool.

[Beer Snob-50]

166. he came in the game late.

the bears were not classy at all that day.

[underpants]

116. "Champagne" Tony?????

I don't think that nickname was due only to his playing for Illinois.


Was he part of the massive Pats cocaine implosion?

[madinmaryland]

38. Joe Piscargik of the Giants

in the late 70's. Fumbling with 20 seconds left when the idiot could have run out the clock by taking a knee.

What an ass.

[Jersey Devil]

oops, missed your post before posting below

Yes, Joe was a bad one, but we had a few others. Craig Morton, Jerry Golsteyn

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

40. Vinnie as worst ever?

I don't see that, unless you mean worst ever to consistently start in the NFL.
Rams had a CFL refugee named Dieter Brock that didn't work out too well.......

[Bullwinkle925]

41. Bobby Douglass

That is going back a ways. Anyone remember him?

[maveric]

43. 980 rushing yds as a QB in 1970.

Shame he couldnt pass.

[barb162]

79. yeah, he had his good and bad days, very erratic as I recall

[Guaranteed]

42. Joe Montana.

Oh, I'm sorry, I meant he's the BEST FUCKING QUARTERBACK EVER. :P

[maveric]

45. That would be Elway. Even though he's a repuke,

[Guaranteed]

46. Psssh. That guy barely won a Super Bowl.

Have you forgotten the 55-10 drubbing that Montana gave Elway in '90? Most lopsided SB in history.

[maveric]

47. Elway won 2.

His last at age 40.

[Guaranteed]

49. Montana won 4.

And, again, one of them a blow-out against the Broncos.

On edit: And he had three SB MVPs.

[maveric]

55. But only played in 3.

Elway played in 5, winning 2.

[Guaranteed]

63. Nope, Montana played in 4.

'81, '84, '88 and '89. Bengals, Dolphins, Bengals, Broncos. And he beat them all (including Marino and Elway). Never lost a Super Bowl, three MVPs.

You're probably thinking of '94, when Steve Young kicked the crap out of the Chargers. That was the Niners' fifth (Montana wasn't even on the team anymore).

[rppper]

119. wrong about marino......

marino played his only superbowl against the redskins his rookie year...83' i believe....the 'phins lost 27-17. marino never saw another superbowl.....

[LSdemocrat]

129. Nope, his only superbowl was Superbowl XIX, 49ers 38, Miami 16

http://www.superbowl.com/history/boxscores/game/sbxix

Marino was Miami's quarterback, at the end of his second season, and Montana was the game's MVP.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

138. Washington beat Miami (Riggo touchdown) but David Woodley was QB...

http://www.superbowl.com/history/recaps/game/sbxvii

[fishwax]

130. That's why Elway was better

The niners kept winning even after Montana left, mainly because the reason they won in the first place was that Montana's surrounding cast (Rice, Craig, et al) was so good. Don't get me wrong, Montana was a great quarterback, but he never got as far with a subpar team as Elway did repeatedly with the Broncos in the 80s and early 90s. Elway went to three superbowls without ever having an all-pro lineman, receiver or running back. Elway never would have won the two titles he did without Terrel Davis, just like Montana wouldn't have won his four without his stellar supporting cast. His years with the Chiefs prove that.

Besides, I've never understood the argument that the number of super bowls shows how good a quarterback is. Unless you figure Trent Dilfer is a better quarterback than Dan Marino.

[Guaranteed]

143. When Montana went to the Chiefs,

he hadn't even played in a year and a half, if I remember correctly. After 12 or 13 years with the Niners, he had pretty serious injuries- an elbow problem, and rib problems. That's why Young started for him after that.

Noone even expected Montana to do much when he went to the Chiefs. They knew he was finished. He was really just filling in until the Chiefs could find another quarterback (he took Steve Deberg's job again- I believe).

Elway- I'm sorry, but when you make it to the Super Bowl three times and lose them all just because you don't have Terrell Davis behind you, that's pretty sad. Jim Kelly made the Super Bowl four years in a row, but no one ever even talks about him. When you're talking about the best quarterback ever, the numbers are such that you have to go to the intangibles, and that tends to be leadership and the ability to pull out a win when it counts. Montana's team just believed in him- he made them as talented as they were, and they just won with him. Elway obviously could pull it together enough to make the Super Bowl those three times, but couldn't push it through. And, AGAIN- 55-10. That's BAD.

Montana had the decision making and passing ability to carry out Walsh's unheard of West Coast Offense as a very young quarterback. He was the figurehead of probably the longest-lasting continuous dynasty football has ever seen.

Yes, Young won one more SB after Montana left, but it was really all downhill from there. In fact, I'd say the Niner's '94 defense had a lot more to do with their winning than their offense did (although I'd take what they had on that side of the ball any day).

[fishwax]

147. I'm not saying Montana wasn't great

He was. But I don't think he was better than Elway, and I see neither the head-to-head super bowl matchup nor the super bowl totals as convincing or conclusive. The 55-10 drubbing was administered by and to the teams as a whole, not the quarterbacks. Two years before, Denver got beat by the Redskins by a score of 42-10m but it wouldn't make much sense to argue that Doug Williams was a better QB than Elway. And the reason that Elway lost those three super bowls is b/c opposing teams had two weeks to gameplan a way to stop a one-man team. In overall victories, Elway leads Montana (and everybody else who ever played).

The niners sucked before Montana, and with the help of Montana, Walsh, Rice, et al, they managed to become one of the most impressive dynasties in all of sports. In the four years after Montana gave up the starting role, they won one super bowl and went to the NFC championship two other times. The Broncos sucked before Elway came, and he singlehandedly turned them into one of the winningest teams of both the 80s and 90s. In the four years since he left, they've made the playoffs twice, but haven't won a playoff game.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Montana, but he had guys like Randy Cross and Keith Fahnhorst blocking for him while he could hand off to Roger Craig or wait for Dwight Clark or Jerry Rice to break free. In the 80s, the only pro-bowler Elway had blocking for him was Keith Bishop, while he was handing off to superstars like Sammy Winder and Bobby Humphrey and passing to legends like Steve Watson, Vance Johnson, and Ricky Nattiel. No QB has won superbowls with a supporting cast like that. In the 90s, when Elway had Gary Zimmerman protecting his blindside while he pitched the ball to Terrell Davis or waited for Rod Smith or Shannon Sharpe to come open, he was successful in super bowls.

If you want to talk about intangibles, then yes, Montana brought out the best in his teammates. But so did Elway. But while it's pretty difficult to argue that Montana "made" Jerry Rice, Elway did "make" Mark Jackson.

Montana was great, but I don't think any quarterback ever made more with less than Elway did in the 80s.

[Guaranteed]

148. Well, if that's your argument,

then you could, or maybe should, be making a case for Dan Marino. That guy had just as little help as Elway had, and he had better numbers, to boot, career.

It's just the success. The quarterback is the leader of the team. Unless your game is based on defense (i.e. the Ravens with Dilfer), everything rests on the quarterback's shoulders. Of course his teammates have to help out, but every down the ball starts with him. In the huddle, his teammates look to him. It's his nerves that are crackling on 4th and 15 down by 4 on the opponent's 25 yard line with five seconds left.

It's the quarterback's team.

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[Guaranteed]

66. Montana made the 49ers what they were.

Yes, Jerry Rice was (CLEARLY) the best wide receiver of all time. But you can just as easily chalk that up to Montana's skill as Rice's.

The guy had something intangible that I don't think another quarterback has ever really had. When they were behind, you just KNEW that he was going to pull it out. He had this leadership skill that his teammates fed off of. They had absolute faith in him.

It's no coincidence that the Montana years of the 49ers were the winningest.

[barb162]

80. he was magnificent, especially that one Superbowl game where

he got an amazing number of points. Can't remember which one it was.

[Bullwinkle925]

81. hahahahahaha

I totally agree!!

[frylock]

44. ryan leaf..

I think at one point he had the lowest QB rating ever recorded. Total mental case, and complete a-hole. Arguably the worst draft selection of all-time, certainly the worst the Chargers ever made.

[maveric]

48. The Chargers had a choice in the draft. Leaf or Peyton Manning.

Doh!!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

95. I thought Peyton went one spot above the Chargers. Manning 1, Leaf 2.

http://www.profootballhof.com/history/general/draft/1998.jsp

[flygal]

111. Thank you just coming to post this

Didn't he walk off with like 30 million and a cheerleader? He was such a jerk. I don't know much about football but I kept hoping after him NFL owners rethought their rookie sign-on deals.

[frylock]

137. YOU DON'T TALK TO ME, OK?!! JUST LEAVE ME ALONE!!

Just kidding. That was a banner moment in Charger history when Leaf blew up in that sportswriters face, all captured on film.

Yes, Leaf did walk off with a Charger Girl. In fact, I just found out last week that she is the daughter of CFP Ray Lucia, who wrote the book "Buckets of Money". Seems fitting since Leaf took buckets of money from those tools, the Spanos'. Not that I'm crying over the Spanos' losing cash that probably would have gone to repubs anyway, but there were some dark years to follow here in Chargerland because of that.

[CalebHayes]

150. Agreed, but hey... GO COUGS!!

[gizmo1979]

54. Bobby Douglas

anyone remember him?

[Bozita]

56. Milt Plum (showing my age here)

Even one of his teammates (Alex Karras) threw a helmet at his head after another Plum-did-dumb loss. Another locker room first.

[maveric]

58. In that case, Marty Domres.

Was the "Hollywood kid" of the early 60's for the Chargers. He was terrible.

[Twillig]

69. I read Karrass'(D) book.

I liked how he described Plum as a 'Pipe-smoking jerk!' ( cause he actually smoked a pipe in the locker room if i remember.)


Mongo(D) only pawn...in game of life.

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[democracyindanger]

103. What could somebody possibly post

in this thread that could merit deletion by a mod? Just wondering.

[Darknyte7]

62. Bubby Brister gets my vote. (1986 -2000)

I hated his ass with the Steelers. He was the worst!

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/BrisBu00.htm

[Dr Batsen D Belfry]

84. I was about to nominate three Bears QBs prior to McMahon

but yes, Duhhhhhhbby Brister took the cake

I would put Bears QBs Avellini, Phipps, and Evans in a tie close behind though. Perhaps Evans is slightly ahead, because none of his receivers could catch a ball he threw without requiring hand x-rays.

DBDB

[Boy Interrupted]

154. I loved Bubby Brister! but not because of his football

best butt in the NFL during his time. I'm so shallow :(

[hippiechick]

64. Lynn Dickey n/t

:puke:


:hippie:

[mattclearing]

70. You are obviously not a fan of the Washington Redskins.

God...there are so many...Danny Weurfel, Tony Banks, Heath Schuler, Shane Matthews...

We even made Mark Brunell bad.

[underpants]

117. I can't get away from them

Their meaningless game will surely be on tomorrow.

Yes I have watched it but no I am not a fan (Dallas/cleveland fan).

I was almost in tears last night talking to a friend of mine who is a rabid 'Skins fan------he blamed the whole season on the right tackle. Seriously.

[JohnKleeb]

131. Jon Jansen?

The Skins fans in my government class can be very unreasonable. I know another in my journalism class who thinks Chris Cooley will be rookie of the year.

[mattclearing]

161. Now Sean Taylor might be reasonable.

At least there's a case to be made based on stats. Chris Cooley though? That's just insane.

[SmileyBoy]

71. Spergeon Wynn.

No one else comes close.

[Padraig18]

72. Gino Torretta or Heath Shuler

*flips a coin*

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

136. Did Gino even ever PLAY in the NFL? What team drafted him?

[DaveinMD]

74. Dave Brown

of the Giants. He ruined several years of my life.

[Jersey Devil]

76. Paterson Plank Joe Pisarcik, of "The Fumble" fame

His last play every for the Giants was blowing a handoff to Larry Csonka that resulted in the Eagles' Herm Edwards scoring a touchdown when the Giants could have just taken a knee and won the game. The good news is that he was followed by Phil Simms.

[TroubleMan]

77. Ryan Leaf

nt.

[barb162]

78. the current Chicago Bears quarterbacks (can we do groups)

[mark414]

133. but jonathan quinn is putting up some real numbers!

hahhahaha

[Norbert]

82. What ever happened to Todd Marijuanavich?

He sure made a big splash with the Raiders.

[davis_islander]

85. Trent Dilfer

Sucks

[TroubleMan]

86. He won a superbowl, so he can't be the worse ever

nt.

[lpbk2713]

90. When Dilfer was with the Bucs he stunk up the joint.

A QB can be no better than the offensive line that protects him and the Bucs have never really had an outstanding O-line but Dilfer was conspicuous in his poor performance.

[LTR]

87. Kordell Stewart

Since someone already mentioned my first choice of Spergeon Wynn.

They called Kordell 'Slash' since he played both QB and WR. Unfortunately, he sucked at both.

[Hatalles]

88. Todd Blackledge

Who you say?

My point exactly!

[devilgrrl]

89. Several...

Neil O'Donnell
Rob Johnson
Don Majkowski
Ryan Leaf
Kelly Stouffer
Timm Rosenbach
Billy Joe Tolliver
Jeff George
Jay Schroeder

etc...

[underpants]

118. Rob Johnson

Oh GOD he was HORRIBLE

[FellowAmerican]

91. Joey Harrington

sucks big time.:thumbsdown:

[Allenberg]

97. Browning Nagle.

[Robeson]

99. Wow, you really came up with some schlock there...

...it would be hard to beat that one...

[FuseONE]

100. .

I'm sure Eagles fans here remember Doug Pederson, the predecessor to Donovan McNabb.

[Robeson]

102. Nagle or Pederson...Houston, we have a tie!!!

[PBR me]

101. anthony dillweg (packers in the 80"S)

[nytemare]

105. Danny Wuerffel!

Great in college, Heismann and all, but sucked in the NFL.

[Allenberg]

108. Andre Ware, Stoney Case, and Mike Tomczak have to rank up there, too.

[DemVIctory]

110. Vinnie's real name is

Interceptiverdi! As a Bears fan (home of worst QB's in NFL history) I would go with Cade McNown. Stinking is one thing, but acting like such a wussie while you're doing it is another.

[JanMichael]

112. Todd Blackledge, Kansas City mid-80's.

One of the six super quarterbacks from the class of 1983.

Bad. Really bad.

[chenGOD]

120. Any Seahawk QB of the last 20 years

Well since Dave Krieg left anyways...

I'm always bitter at the Seahawks though, living in Edmonton, Alberta, their games always pre-empted other games on ABC's double-headers. So while other cities would be getting 49er-Raiders matchups, we'd get Seahawks vs.....anybody. You knew it was gonna be a shitty game going in when the Seahawks were playing...

[rppper]

121. the dante....dan pastorini...houston oilers 70's qb.....

not a great by any account, despite a 75 pro-bowl selection. pastorini never had a positive TD/INT number. you could always count on the dante to choke up a fumble, interception or some kind of sour luck in a big game. he is the reason earl cambell had such a short career...bum phillips didn't trust pastorini to throw the ball, but he could always count on a hand off to earl...and earl could run it more yards than pastorini could throw anyhow. really though, when they finally replaced pastorini with an aged and injured kenny stabler, the oilers suddenly became contenders. pastorini had better luck racing boats and dragsters.

[BlueCollar]

123. Todd Marinovitch

Raiders...God he sucked...The Raiders haven't had a decent quarterback since the Stabler/Plunkett era.

Gannon is OK but not as good as the afore-mentioned.

[leeman67]

134. or as we referred to him, Marijuana-vich

:)

[leeman67]

135. Rusty Lisch (sp?), Mike Hohensee, Gino Torretta, Cade McNown,..

Mike Tomczak, Bubby Brister, Kelly Stouffer, Dan McGwire, Akili Smith, etc., etc, etc.

[Norbert]

139. The Throwin' Samoan Jack Thompson

I remember late one season Kenny Anderson had the Bengals up a few touchdowns. The brought Thompson in to mop up. Before long the Bengals was up less than two touches and Anderson had to come back in the game.

Thompson was traded away the following spring

[devilgrrl]

140. Vince Ferragamo and Pat Hadden

Two lame Rams QB's

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

145. Come on now. Vince got the Rams to their first SB.

Therefore he does not suck.

I would say that Chris Chandler suckd for the Rams right now.

[devilgrrl]

141. Art Schlichter!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.cracksmoker.com/NFL/NFL%20SchlichterA.htm

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

144. Didn't Schlicter actually play for a USFL team called the Gamblers

or something? Or was that some joke someone made to me once?

[OhioBlue]

151. dan marino aka cry baby

btw - i only posted this cause my b/f told me to.

[OhioBlue]

153. brett farve - the interception king

when in doubt, heave 'er up.
again - only b/c my troy aikman lovin' b/f told me to post this.

[enigmatic]

157. Two Words: Todd Philcox

and if you want an honorable mention: how about the "Immortal" Spergon Wynn?

[Dees]

159. George Blanda...

He was an Ok QB. He just wouldn't quit. The last time I saw him kick I thought they better get him a golf cart to get on the field.

[0007]

160. Ryan Leaf single-handedly wrecked the Chargers franchise

Testaverde has given the some fans their money worth and hope for a short period of time. Leaf absolutely "0" nada.

Testaverade bad, but not that bad. If so he fooled a lot of organizations!

[SHRED]

167. They knew about Ryan

The Spanos family wrecked the Chargers by getting him knowing he was a spoiled little brat.

[arkie dem]

162. Todd Blackledge

The Chiefs picked him over Dan Marino. Couldn't believe a top ranked college QB could be so bad.

[Poppyseedman]

163. Current 2004 season

http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/QB-PASSING/2004/regular

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

165. Wow. I knew Brunnell was through from what little I watched of the Skins

this year (dude has like NO ARM left), but I didn't realize it was quite this bad (he has the lowest rating). I'm not entirely surprised though.