Florida Repubs want quack school at FSU

[Archae]

This is what happens when GOP'ers take over, including the Coward-In-Chief's brother.

Chiropractic school angers FSU professors
Some threaten to resign over the proposed school.

By RON MATUS, Times Staff Writer
Published December 29, 2004

A growing number of professors in the Florida State University College of Medicine are saying they will resign if FSU administrators continue to pursue a proposed chiropractic school.

"I would no longer wish to volunteer my teaching energies to FSU medical school, should it encompass a school of chiropractic," wrote Dr. Ian Rogers, an assistant professor at FSU's Pensacola campus, in a Dec. 15 e-mail. "This is plainly ludicrous!!!!"

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But Sen. Dennis Jones, the Treasure Island Republican who spearheaded legislative support for the school in the spring, said the professors were "overreacting."

He accused anti-chiropractic groups from outside the state of stirring faculty opposition at FSU.

"If they resign, so be it," said Jones, a chiropractor himself. The instructors don't deserve to teach at FSU, he said, "if they're putting their credentials with people known for promoting professional bigotry."

The Legislature appropriated $9-million annually for the chiropractic school, which was pushed by Jones and then-Senate President Jim King, R-Jacksonville, an FSU graduate. It would be the only school of its kind in the country.

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/12/29/State/Chiropractic_school_a.shtml

A map of FSU being circulated by critics of this idiotic plan:

[ProdigalJunkMail]

1. the map is damned near funny

but some people swear by chiropractic care...oh...I guess that was sort of part of the point...

theProdigal

[Archae]

12. I swear AT chiropractic.

:D

[sasquatch]

2. FSU was once an all girls school

I'm surprised they haven't started a class about the study of snake handling or alcaholism.

[GOPNotForMe]

3. I find your opinion idiotic.

I'm not trying to be overly sensitive. I mean, post what you want, just expect a response.

Anyway, I go to a chiropractor regularly, as does my mother. Neither one of us are republicans, nor are we "quacks." Equating crop circles with chiropractic (I'm sorry, would "quackery" be the operative word here?) is just idiotic invective to further the lower status of chiropractic and make it to where a reasonable debate on the topic can't even begin to take place because, duh, anyone who believes in it is a quack!

[Archae]

6. Because doctors use science. Chiropractors don't.

http://skepdic.com/chiro.html

Sure your chiro-quack "makes you feel better," but in ALL scientific testing, it fails.

Chiropractic became "respectable" and "accepted" due to a political campaign and endless lawsuits, not due to any scientific testing.

In fact according to most chiropractors, germs don't cause disease.

[meganmonkey]

21. And 'scientific testing' and conventional doctors are SOOO trustworthy

Yeah, I think I would rather take poorly tested medicines that have been pushed through to the market in order to boost quick profits for drug companies at the expense of people's health and safety.
Gee which painkillers should I take, day in and day out, to deal with my chronic back pain caused by a major injury 8 years ago?

Maybe something addictive, like Oxycontin or Vicodin?

Or maybe something milder that will increase my chances of heart attack or stroke like Vioxx or Celebrex?

Or how about I just go on disability and lay on my back all day staring at the ceiling?

BUT WAIT ---- over the last 8 years, I have had 2 chiropractors (I moved out of state for a while). I sought them out with recommendations from friends and other doctors. They both focus on the fact that I can be RESPONSIBLE FOR MY OWN WELL-BEING (unlike MOST doctors, who, under pressure from drug companies, insurance companies and time constraints find it much easier to say "Try this, maybe it'll fix you. Oh - it makes you tired? Here try this, maybe it'll help. Oh, it makes your stomach bleed? Try this....")

Instead, I go to my chiropractor once a month. He checks me out, adjusts my back, sometimes a little massage, but mostly prescribes me exercises, stretches, and other recommendations to do at home - like eat healthy, sit up straight, demand a good chair at work, etc etc - many of these were easy, free things that no 'REAL' doctor ever talked about.
Me, I'll keep going to my QUACK who actually examines my body and gives me useful feedback instead of DRUGS, many of which are dangerous.

As far as the political campaigns and endless lawsuits you referred to - who has more money and power - the AMA or the chiropractors? Give me a break. The medical establishment is finally being forced to give up their attack on a treatment that undermines all of our assumptions that we need to take drugs every day and we need a Doctor to fix us because somehow, after thousands of years, in the last century the human body has forgotten how to fix itself. Oh no - loss of profits! How will the drug companies afford to buy off the politicians and doctors (I used to work at a conventional pain clinic. I know what the the 'sales reps' for the drug companies really do).


Consider this - In Pennsylvania, my chiro was allowed to administer a TENS unit (electrical stimulation). This is a simple procedure - so simple, in fact, that some patients can get their 'real' Doctors to prescribe them for HOME USE! Yet in Michigan, where I live now, Chiros aren't allowed to use them. Which means I have to go to Physical Therapy if I want that treatment, and my insurance has to pay more, and all the money stays in the mainstream medicine loop.

Rant Off.

On edit: By the way, I have to pay out-of-pocket for my chiro appointments, no surprise, and it costs me all of $35 dollars a visit.

[NightTrain]

4. Pardon my ignorance, but why are chiropractors considered "quacks?"

Seriously. I never knew the medical profession held chiropractors in such low regard. Why is that? :shrug:

[GOPNotForMe]

5. Because chiropractors actually question some aspects of modern medicine.

It's BS really (the medical establishment's attitude). Completely closed off to the idea that there might be OTHER ways to heal.

[Archae]

7. Exactly.

According to most chiropractors, diseases aren't caused by germs and viruses.

[Boy Interrupted]

8. what causes them?

a poorly aligned spine?

[Archae]

9. According to many chiro-quacks, yes.

n/t

[Spider Jerusalem]

16. "Subluxations".

Supposed "pockets of negative energy" that can be "removed" by chiropractic adjustment. Kind of reminiscent of the Scientologists and their "body thetans".

[Archae]

18. Just what I said, quackery.

n/t

[vpigrad]

10. I used to work at Sherman College...

and those guys are only one small step above faith healers. They're terrible con-artists. I saw firsthand how they are taught to bilk people out of money and how to arrange scams. Some of them are very good at massage, and if they got a job at a spa, they could earn a good honest living instead of trying to pretend to be a doctor.

Sherman College has an amazing scam going on now. They receive cash from the government for over 98% of their students. I believe the government now gives the school $17,000 per student per year.

Their basic theory is that all disease and pain is caused by vertebral subluxations. In other words, those idiots preach that, for example, cancer is caused by misalignment of your vertebrae. I used to work at the "college" with my father, and after he had a heart attack, Dr Gelardi (probably the most famous chiropractor in the world) suggested against going to a hospital. I heard another "professor" there claim that many deaf people could be cured by going to a chiropractor. Like I said, they're only one step above faith healers.

[Archae]

11. Their latest scam...

I saw it in the window of a chiro-quack on 8th St. here in Sheboygan.

"Kids need chiropractic too!" :wtf:

[MnFats]

13. Yep. they teach courses in 'baby chiropractic' now

there is a great site:

www.quackwatch.com


it has volumes on the sins of chiropractors.
check it out if you don't believe the critics here.

[andjustice4all]

17. Here's an even better site:

http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos071.htm

[MnFats]

14. Yep. they teach courses in 'baby chiropractic' now

there is a great site:

www.quackwatch.com


it has volumes on the sins of chiropractors.
check it out if you don't believe the critics here.

[Radical Activist]

15. "groups from outside the state"

What is it with conservative southerners always bitching about "outside agitators?" Haven't they come up with anything new since the 50's?

[sasquatch]

19. How do you take someone from "Treasure Island" seriously?!?

:D

[yellowdogintexas]

20. We used to call them "Quackopractors" at the insurance co

LOL, this campus map is hysterical. No ROLFING lab?

I think they serve a purpose, in the actual relief of localized pain (such as the crick in the neck, the catch in the shoulder, and other joint/muscle difficulties)

NEVER would I see one for anything other than a mechanical problem w/joints or muscle pain.

Of course I have not seen a chiropractor for anything yet in my entire life and I am 56 years old.


Most Colleges of Chiropractic are free standing, so I guess this is the first time it has been attempted to place one on a bonafide university campus.

I have heard that younger Chiros are not being schooled in the
"One spine fixes all" theory of healing, and they are more specialized in the pain relief/joint strengthening/physiology/physical therapy area than the graduates of 30 or more years ago.

[jmowreader]

22. If it wasn't for chiropractors, Bush couldn't fight his war

So maybe we should all make voodoo dolls shaped like chiropractors...

Okay, no more fuckin' around. I believe Fayetteville has the highest density of chiropractors in the entire United States--because of Fort Bragg and all of the airborne operations they conduct there.

I don't believe chiro can cure every disease the way some chiropractors do. But when it comes to the skeletal problems incurred by all long-time paratroopers, chiro is THE BEST form of treatment.

An aside...I see a "College of Dowsing" on the map of FSU. You can't teach dowsing. I know it works because my father can do it very accurately; I know it can't be taught because he's tried to teach it to me and I can't do it at all.