Am I the only one (besides the jury) who thinks OJ was innocent?

[johnnie]

I'm watching it on E right now. I just never figured him to be guilty, but it seems like everyone else does.
I think it was a "hit" that had to do with drugs.

[blueknight]

1. its only you!

he was guilty as sin

[johnnie]

2. And you know this ...how?

:shrug:

[StClone]

38. What about Bruno Magli's

I am in the I think he did it column. I see too much against him but he was set free mostly because of lesser lawyering and the glove debacle

[Sanity Claws]

3. You may be the only one

I think he did it. Also, a civil jury found that he did it.
The prosecutors were BAAD.

[amazona]

44. civil juries are worthless

I had a case in front of a civil jury, and they are not proof of anything. Outright lies can be admitted as evidence, and you can do nothing about it. I put absolutely no faith in a civil jury. I was there and know what happened to me in my case. What is considered "evidence" in a civil case is beyond disgraceful.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. I Diagree About Civil Juries...

My mom won a civil verdict in a medical malpractice case which cost over $,1,000,000.00 to litigate...


It's no easier or harder to lie in a civil case than a criminal case...


The main difference in a civil and criminal case is the burden of proof and the defendant can be compelled to testify....

[Sparkle]

4. No, there are a lot of others that thought OJ was innocent.

It's just that the ones that do think he's guilty are more boisterous about it.

[pretzel4gore]

16. OJ wouldn't hurt a fly!

just like norman bates's mom! how anyone can think such awful thoughts of that nice old lady, i dunno....shame on you!

[Blue Gardener]

5. Yes

He's guilty.

[LeftCoast]

6. Your last name doesn't happen to be Cochran does it?

:D

[johnnie]

9. LOL

That made me laugh.

[Meowser]

95. I always picture Jackie Chiles from "Seinfeld"

when someone mentions Johnny Cochran.

[fluffernutter]

7. but OJ was there why?

because keep watching, the dna evidence is pretty strong against him.

[demosincebirth]

33. If the jury had had a video tape of OJ killing them, they still...

wouldn't have convicted him. Cochran is not that good of a lawyer, just average.

[Left Is Write]

8. I'm not sure the jury did think OJ was innocent.

But the prosecution didn't prove its case beyond reasonable doubt.

[Devil Dog Dem]

13. Interviews afterward showed that most jurors thought he was innocent

not just that the prosecution didn't prove its case.

[Left Is Write]

17. I see. I didn't pay much attention to the after-interviews.

I was pretty damned tired of the whole thing by the time the verdict came in.

Remember how OJ said he "wouldn't rest" until the "real killers" were found?

[AntiCoup2K4]

61. And to this day he hunts them relentlessly....

....on the greens of every golf course in America until they are captured :eyes:

[vpigrad]

10. I don't think there's anyone..

that disagrees with you that isn't a racist. There was no evidence he was involved. He shouldn't have even been arrested much less have had the case go to trial.

[Devil Dog Dem]

12. LOL! That's funny!

No evidence. Racist. Not involved.

That's a riot!

[Skittles]

20. very insulting, actually

nt

[vpigrad]

29. This issue is a great litmus test..

to see what type of person you're dealing with. You just failed.

[Devil Dog Dem]

35. Good. Any litmus test like that is one I want to fail

You go ahead and defend a murderer and cry racism.

I'll fight real racism in the meantime and get something accomplished.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. If You Think OJ Did It You Are A Racist...

I'd like you to elaborate on that tortured logic....

[Beaverhausen]

43. If OJ had been an activist for African-Americans that might make sense

But he wasn't.

Also - police nearly always initially question/arrest the current or ex-husband of a murdered woman because over 90% of the time she was killed by someone who "said they loved her."

OJ got off because he was rich and could afford lawyers who intimidated the judge into allowing far more BS than should have been allowed.

[pretzel4gore]

86. exactly! and 9 american women die everyday

according to '94 era fbi stats (3500/yr) at hands of their 'sig other'...why was oj simpson case such big deal? the answer is racism, plain and simple. if you say simpson was famous etc...well lookit this. During reagan years, his tax lawyer's wife was tortured, raped and murdered by their 22 yo son...in palo alto california gated community....the story exploded into the news...palo alto streets were lined with media trucks etc...then suddenly POOF! it stopped. the trucks left, the news was relegated to back pages (most americans have never heard of the millers to this day) etc....and the murderer was even given hospital rest, just like john hinckley was.... the oj simpson case was 'dividing and conquering' of america, by racist pigs who today giggle at the sight of drunken bush farting on stage while entire planet watches...some wiseguy said 'the medium is the message' back in the 60's and that was supposed to be profound...ever notice what the message is?

[candy]

52. Oh my God,the racist thing again n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

63. That is ridiculous

YOU are a racist if you really believe that.

Besides, he confessed in jail to Rosie Greer. Remember that? Rosie came to see him every day and one day OJ confessed. Two guards overheard it and reported it to Ito, who obviously didn't act on this confession (I'm not a lawyer, maybe there was nothing the judge could do?)

Anyway, that was the last day Rosie went to visit OJ in jail. I read interviews of both guards and the visitor log in the jail confirmed that Rosie Greer never came back after the confession.

[msanthrope]

79. Rosie is a minister, and the defense claimed that he

was acting as a spiritual advisor.

Too bad the prosecution didn't have the brains to contest that.

[proud2BlibKansan]

82. I couldn't understand why Ito didn't do anything about it

but like I said, I'm not an attorney.

[name not needed]

70. Then I guess I'm a racist.

:eyes:

[Devil Dog Dem]

11. Yep. Guilty as sin

His walk was a disgrace.

[johnnie]

14. I guess I don't have a mind of a killer

I don't understand how someone could be so calm, cool and collected as OJ was at the airport. Hell, I freak out if I kill a mouse.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. Lots Of Sociopaths Could Pull It Off

eom

[roseBudd]

31. He wasn't calm, he was sweating and he wouldn't let the limo driver touch

his luggage.

[rug]

15. Not Guilty

Not even close.

[Skittles]

18. I certainly f***ing hope so

did you by any chance vote for Bush?

[johnnie]

21. Vote for Bush???

You take that back now!..lol. Y.U.I orta :spank:

[democrat in Tallahassee]

19. I never thought he did it; not because he's a nice guy but

because it wasn't proven in court. I could not have voted guilty if I were on the jury. I actually watched the trial

[demosincebirth]

28. Gimmee a break! didn't prove it in court?

[mitchtv]

22. sure, from the "world of Faye Resnick"

Bwahahahahaha

[China_cat]

23. I think he was guilty

but I have to agree with the jury that there wasn't enough evidence and that what there was was so compromised, that they couldn't convict.

[Guy Fawkes]

24. It's only you...

[StClone]

25. O.J. had a history of physical abuse of Nicole

There is a strong correlation between physical abuse and death threats/murder for abusive men.

O.J.'s being found innocent was not a shock, but he was a suspect with some very strong circumstantial evidence.

Racism should never been asserted in the case but the claim of such thereafter obviously had an effect.

[deadparrot]

26. I think he was guilty, but you're not the only one, I'm sure.

[roseBudd]

30. If it was a drug hit, she would have been shot, also...

Nicole did not owe any drug dealers money, surely she didn't just rob someones stash.

The brutality of the MO indicated her killer knew her and had serious issues like jealousy over her fucking Marcus Allen.

Plus all those cuts on his hands and not answering the doorbell when the limo to take him to the airport arrived. He barely made that flight.

[patdem]

36. Yeah and the waiter in the resturant which had ANOTHER waiter killed

months later just happend to want to deliver a PAIR OF SUNGLASSES to her? It was not a hit but a drug steal...you know...they know that the people from that resturant deliver drugs to rich people..so they go there to steal the drugs and money..and shoot?? and draw attention when they can silently murder them and slip away. One man slit the throats of two people?? I doubt it!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. They Kill Drug Users To Steal Their Private Stash...

You mean folks kill people to steal $500.00 or $600.00 worth of blow....


I can see if Nicole was a big dealer and had hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of coke but there never was a suggestion of that nor was there a suggestion than Ron Goldman was a dealer...

[amazona]

48. I'm afraid I agree with this theory

I've never understood how one man was supposed to commit this crime.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. I'll Bet I Could Easily Dust Two People

if I had a knife, the element of suprise, and most importantly the heart of a murderer....

[AntiCoup2K4]

66. Not to mention the skills of an NFL all star running back

For a man who's had years of practice dodging and breaking tackles, Ron Goldman probably wasn't much of an obstacle. And if he went down first, Nicole was probably too horrified to do much in her own defense.

[proud2BlibKansan]

65. I think he had help

I think he did it but had a partner in the crime.

[roseBudd]

71. um, he had a knife, they had nothing but their bare hands that were being

slashed in waht they call defensive wounds in a small fenced in area. Oh I guess Ron Goldman was supposed to do karate.

[1monster]

32. I think he was probably guilty. But the prosecution dropped it big time.

Instead of just presenting the case, they tried to trump anything the defence could come up with and in doing so, lost the momentum of letting the evidence speak for itself.

The prosecution also has the option of rebuttal. They should have waited for the defence to present its case before trying to rebut it...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. You Forgot Fuhrman's Little Stink Bomb...

When he lyed about using the n word and having it blow up in his face...


He just should have admitted it and apologized....

I doubt there are many among us regardless of race who never used a pejorative term for a member of another race...

[bettyellen]

46. well the judge really screwed up, he let the defense walk all over him too

[warrens]

37. The amount of perjury and stuff was enough for reasonable doubt IMO

The fact that the judge refused to allow the defense to investigate Nicole's drug use, which was evidently kinda dramatic, put me off instantly. That racist cop, a bunch of fishy evidence and so on gives me reasonable doubt. I think he did it, but if I was on the jury, I would have voted not guilty, probably. It would have bugged me that the defense was not allowed to explore other theories.

[amazona]

40. well I tend to agree with you

We had a case in New Orleans at about the same time with a Saints player. The family was convinced the player did the deed and they put pressure on the police to arrest him -- which they didn't, for lack of evidence. This player did hire private detectives and located a gang of four men who committed the crime. The men were subsequently arrested, tried, and convicted. In this case, the player's ex-wife, child, and new boyfriend were all slaughtered in horrific fashion, too bloody and horrible for one person to do the crime, but the family was really convinced it was the Saints player for a very long time. They howled for blood in the media, though the case was greatly overshadowed by OJ.

That case was indeed proven to be a drug hit. Those were scary times.

I think more than one person was involved in Nicole Simpson murders and the cops messing with the evidence mean the truth will never be revealed. OJ may or may not have been one of the people involved in the murder. But cops messing with evidence scares me a lot more than OJ.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. Why Would O J Take A Gang To Kill His Wife?

eom

[Cuban_Liberal]

41. I believe there was 'reasonable doubt', but I don't believe he's innocent.

2 different standards. I think he did it, but I don't think the prosecution proved he did it 'beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty'.

[bettyellen]

45. lot of serious circumstancial, the glove, the footprints in blood....

both rare expensive items, probably isn't another guy on the west coast with those colors, brands and sizes. the glove would have fit if it hadn't been shrunken and crusted with gloves, he owned the same freaking ones. that was statistically impossible it was a coincidence, also some dna.
they played the racism/ possibele set up card really hard and a lot of people went for it, i thought it was about him being an abusive ex husband, not a random black man! i heard a lot of resentment that if it was a black unattractive ex wife it would not be news or a big court case. people i knew who thought he could be guilty were okay with him getting off because she was blonde and white, and getting extra victim status/ attention/ prosecutorial effort becasue of that. i don't agree with it, but this is what i heard from otherwise intelligent people. a lot of ugly baggage came out that had nothing to do with the facts. a lot of people who cheered at his release did not care if he was guilty or not. i heard so often that it was beside the point.

[DS1]

57. I could make one of those foam staduim "We're #1" gloves not fit

if I really had to :eyes:

I blame it on the dumbfuck contingency of the United States that he walks free.

[Pepperbelly]

69. bullshit ... the cops planted evidence.

They lose.

Period.

[bettyellen]

73. period? becasue you have nothing to support that except a "feeling"

[Pepperbelly]

84. nothing to support it? Where did you ever get such an idea?

Because there was preservative found in Simpson's blood in several locations and whether you realize it or not, we do not generally bleed preservatives in our blood.

However, the same preservative is found in the sample tubes that the forensic people use for blood samples from suspects.

[bobbieinok]

85. planted evidence...and stuff sent to lab was compromised.

refused to follow any of the trial so details very foggy

for people who read mysteries or watch TV/movie mysteries....the failure to protect the chain of evidence was extremely weird; it made the city of LA look like incompetent hicks

[Pepperbelly]

88. the Simpson blood with preservative is what did it for me.

I would trust NONE of the physical evidence after that little ditty slipped out.

[DS1]

49. He's just finished shooting a movie where he was a Seal Commando

I think it got to his head, all that running around in the dark - he did a Bruce Willis and thought it was close enough to the real thing he could do it in real life :eyes:

That's my theory on why he thought he could get away with it.

Guilty as sin.

[bettyellen]

55. and that poor waiter just fueled his rage about his wife and other men...

oh please, drug deals gone wrong. just another way to blame the victim. somebody was not happy with how nicole was spending her nights and decided to do something about it.

[DELUSIONAL]

53. The Dog knows. Dog didn't bark -- dog knew the person.

OJ did it-- I believe the dog.

[bettyellen]

56. Dogs don't lie!

[Florida_Geek]

93. The dog also knows Jason

did you mess that point.

[canadianbeaver]

96. I agree..........dogs know.......and so did OJ.....look how surprised

he was when they said "not guilty".....I was certain he was off to jail....I said it to the TV when I watched it....."Say Bye Bye OJ"..boy was I surprised too!!!

[kodi]

54. Yes, it was an NSA hit and as to that other glove? Stashed in Area 51.

.

[matcom]

58. CATWOMAN!!!! CALLING CATWOMAN!!!!

;)

OOOOHHHHHHHHH MMMIIIIDDDDOOOOORRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!

[CatWoman]

60. sorry, I ain't touching this stink bomb

some of the comments make me want to slap some people into rationality.

[vas430]

59. pretty much!

Our boys go to school and play football together. People here still treat him ike crap alot of the time. I'm positive he's guilty and I hope the public never lets him forget it. But picking on Justin, Jason and Sydney is just not cool!

[proud2BlibKansan]

62. YES

You are the only one :)

I believe he was guilty but I was not surprised that he wasn't convicted. He lawyers did a better job than the prosecution.

I also will point out what he has done since the trial. What happened to his promise of finding the real killer? Every day that this man goes out and plays golf instead of finding his wife's killer he convinces me even more of his guilt.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

64. I didn't watch the trial, but I did see the verdict live

Imagine yourself in OJ's situation. You're on trial for two counts of first-degree murder. If found guilty, the best you can hope for is life in prison, with the possibility of a death sentence.

Now suppose you really are innocent. What is your reaction when the verdict is read? I don't know about you, but I think most people would have some sort of strong emotional reaction. I'd probably burst into tears from relief, due to months of accumulated tension.

That's not what OJ did. If you'll recall the reactions to the verdict, his family started cheering and hugging one another. OJ himself just stood there, a smile spreading slowly across his face.

That one moment, along with his history of spousal abuse, made me suspect very strongly that he was guilty.

[jmowreader]

67. Whether OJ did it or not, I'm glad he walked

Three words: Chain of Evidence.

In OJ's case, it fucking sucked. Why in HELL was Phillip Vannatter giving a vial of OJ's blood a goddam tour of the LA Basin?

But the funniest part of the whole sordid affair was when the defense proved that there was less blood remaining in the vials than there should have been...and the prosecution responded by putting the phlebotomist on the stand to suddenly remember that oh, I drew less blood from OJ than I said I did last year.

I think that if I was Judge Ito, I would have thrown the whole case out of court the second that little D&P show was over.

The OJ case was kind of a wake-up call to the LAPD Crime Lab: get your SHIT together or you're gonna get a lot more cases dismissed.

[Pepperbelly]

68. when I learned that the cops had planted evidence, it was over.

Get out of jail.

Do not pass go.

Proceed.

Cops cheat, it's over.

[tuvor]

72. Actions speak louder than words.

In the past eight or so years, what has he done to fulfill his promise of "catching Nicole's killer"?

Juuuuuust asking.

[Catchawave]

74. Not for a nano-second did I think he was innocent....

Sorry, OJ's money, race and celebrity bought his innocence. I'm just surprised with all they know now, there hasn't been a retrial? The Peterson trial had less reasonable doubt, IMO.

[Left Is Write]

76. Double jeopardy.

You cannot be retried for a crime of which you were acquitted.


Edited because I really do know how to spell acquitted.

[Catchawave]

80. Spelling, murder....

..no big deal :spank:

Seriously, I agree witya.

[FellowAmerican]

75. No - there are other whacko's out there

who are just as crazy as you to think that this man is anything but guilty!

[CatWoman]

78. as a fellow "whacko",

may I ask that you cool it with the name calling?

[FellowAmerican]

81. Didn't mean

to ruffle your fur . . . :eyes:

[Bertha Venation]

77. I know someone who doesn't think he was guilty.

I used to think he was guilty, but since I respect this person so much, I've given up on my judgment. It's not mine to judge anyway. I wasn't on the jury.

[ecstatic]

83. It's not like the LAPD didn't have a history of framing black men

But that's another story. I don't know if he is guilty or not. I was too young to pay attention to the trial evidence and now I don't really care. I always thought KATO Kaylin (sp?) may have been involved. Why wasn't he ever a suspect?

[kick-ass-bob]

87. the jury didn't think he was innocent

they just had to find him not guilty.

I saw a show that interviewed some of them...

[2Design]

89. guilty

[Florida_Geek]

90. Jason his son was the killer

The defense knows it, the Pros know it, they just sold a bill of goods to the media.

[truebrit71]

91. Hmmmm..what happened if he wasn't alone.....

....let's just suppose that he had some help...you know...from a fellow ex-football player....who also drove a White Ford Bronco...

Hmmmmmmmm?

[Lex]

92. There was TRAIL of his blood from the murder scene

to his freakin' Bronco, and then IN the Bronco.

[Florida_Geek]

94. Read Dear's book

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0970205805.01._PE_PIdp-schmoo2,TopRight,7,-26_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg