Latin America is the King of Music

[mitchtv]

be it Mexico, Cuba, Argentina, Chile , Colombia
Sorry Gabachos

[RagingInMiami]

1. Colombia has Shakira

Smart, sexy and extremely talented. She is one hell of a rocker.

[jellybelly]

2. one hell of a bellydancer

who mostly does ARABIC music:bounce:

[RagingInMiami]

5. She did ONE song that was Arabic influenced

and it was in Spanish.

[jellybelly]

6. not only one...

whenever, wherever(?)...
ojos asi...
objection...it had a drum solo
plus she BELLYDANCES everything. She isn't a latin artist...

[GRLMGC]

7. whenever, wherever is influenced by

Inca flute music.

[RagingInMiami]

8. That's an ignorant statement - "she isn't a Latin artist"

She was born in Colombia and her first language is Spanish. One of her parents happens to be Lebanese, which is where she gets her Arabic roots, but her other parent is Colombian.
As far as musical influences go, she is mainly a rocker, bred on the likes of AC/DC and Led Zepellin.

[jellybelly]

12. She's a freakin' BELLYDANCER!!!

AHHHHHHH!!!!!!


SHE IS ONLY FAMOUS BECAUSE OF HER DANCING. She is an AMAZING dancer. It outweighs her music and her voice...

[GRLMGC]

13. She's a musician who happens to bellydance

She doesn't only bellydance.

[jellybelly]

15. Again:

She is only famous because of her dancing. Her music and her voice aren't exactly GREAT:eyes:
If she didn't BELLYDANCE, nobody would care about her...

[RagingInMiami]

17. Speak for yourself

It's not the belly dancing. God, your ignorance kills me.

[jellybelly]

20. "Your ignorance kills me"

wow, great insult:eyes: Repeat it a few more times...You are the ignorant one if you think she has an amazing voice...:eyes:

[RagingInMiami]

23. No, honey, you are the ignorant one

when you reduce a talented artist down to a belly dancer.

[jellybelly]

25. Now you are ignorant!!!

How can you reduce a talented artist into a bellydancer???? Bellydancers are talented...Shakira is the best one in the world. She isn't the best singer but she is the best bellydancer...How am I degrading her by calling her a bellydancer? :wtf:

[RagingInMiami]

26. First you said she does only ARABIC music

Yet, I have yet to hear her sing a single song in Arabic.
Then you said she "isn't a Latin artist", although she was born in Colombia and was raised speaking Spanish.
And all throughout this thread you insist on labeling her nothing but a belly dancer.
Yes, she might be a talented belly dancer, but that is not what got her signed to an American label. She writes her own songs and music. Maybe some didn't translate well for certain Americans to appreciate the songs, but it wasn't the belly dancing that got her signed.

[GRLMGC]

27. Thank you

She's not, first and foremost, a bellydancer. She just happens to bellydance. She's a very talented musician and songwriter. I don't like her American career because I think her voice loses a lot of power in English (maybe it's her discomfort w/ the language). She's a talented bellydancer to be sure but it is unfair to reduce her to just that.

[jellybelly]

29. Reducing her to that???

By saying she is the best bellydancer that ever lived???

[GRLMGC]

30. I highly doubt that

Have you seen every single bellydancer? There are plenty of talented bellydancers in the Middle East so I doubt Shakira is the greatest bellydancer. I object to you reducing her to simply being a dancer when she does far more than that. She got signed in Latin America because she is a talented musician and songwriter. She got signed her and produced by Gloria Estefan's husband because they saw the same talent in her. She didn't get signed her because of her bellydancing skills.

[jellybelly]

31. I didn't say anything about why she was signed

Obviously her music is quite good...I was talking about what makes her famous with the audience, is it her voice or her dancing??? I believe the average fan loves her dancing more than her music. And she is the best bellydancer, she is praised on Arabic TV constantly...

[GRLMGC]

35. I'm a fan and I think her dancing is fantastic

but she wouldn't grab my interest if she was just a dancer. Maybe her American audience is entranced by her bellydancing because her English language offerings aren't as great as they should be. And I'm sure there are plenty of other bellydancers who have honed their craft for years who are probably better bellydancers since that is what they do for a living. Hell, I knew a girl who bellydanced as well as Shakira. Shakira bellydances as an added effect to her shows. It's not what primarily defines her.

[jellybelly]

38. I can agree with that

I love her spanish stuff more, I am half hispanic (my dad's side)

thanks for being so civil to me...I can honestly see that your point is right...

[GRLMGC]

40. I'm not going to attack you personally for your opinion

That really doesn't get anyone anywhere. Thanks for the debate :)

[GRLMGC]

41. delete

dupe

[RagingInMiami]

32. You know why I get so heated up with this conversation

Cause you take a Latin American artist, who has struggled and paid her dues to get signed to a market with a language foreign to her, and you act as if you're complimenting her by calling her the "best bellydancer that ever lived."

It's not much different than those people who said denzel washington won an oscar for training day because he was the best black actor that year.

It smells of racism.

[jellybelly]

34. yes, I'm a racist...

maybe you are the racist against me appreciating her arabic bellydancing skills...jesus, you are incredible:wtf:

[jellybelly]

28. I didn't say she spoke arabic

sorry, if you thought that. I just don't consider her Latin enough...being Colombian doesn't mean anything...:shrug:
When anybody hears the name Shakira, what is the first thing they think? "Wow, what a great dancer!"...that's what everybody says when I mention her. I am a big fan of hers by the way, so don't call me ignorant:scared: ...I mean...:mad:

[RagingInMiami]

33. What the fuck are you talking about!!

"Being Colombian doesn't mean anything". Jesus, you better not come down to Miami or anywhere in Latin America with that attitude.

[jellybelly]

36. There are alot of Latin musicians who only do American pop

hello???? Christina, even Enrique...

[RagingInMiami]

37. But Shakira isn't one of them

[jellybelly]

42. That's where me and you differ

it doesn't make either of us a racist...some consider Enrique a pure latin artist...I understand where are coming from...If I considered someone to be a purely Arabic artist and I found some people who I thought were trying to diminish that I would probably think they're racist...be careful with the 'R' word..I am half-hispanic and portuguese. I grew up with Latin music and I love Shakira to death...

[RagingInMiami]

46. Maybe what you consider a "latin artist" is someone who plays only

samba, cumbia, salsa, etc., someone who only sings in spanish and sticks firmly to those latin influences.
But what i consider a latin artist is someone who was born in latin america, grew up in that culture and took those musical influences, as well as all the other influences they grew up listening to, whether it be heavy metal or arabic music (as in shakira's case), and turned it into their own music.
To me, being a latin artist is a cultural thing, not necessarily a music genre.

[jellybelly]

47. So she is a Latin artist due to culture only?

at least you can admit that her music doesn't represent Latin music that well...That was my point entirely:) I love Shakira but she has become more pop and I'm a little disappointed by it. I guess I remained a fan only because of her bellydancing...That's my only reason for loving her now...well, gotta go..you gave me the best damn debate since I joined DU. Thanks!!!

[RagingInMiami]

48. Well if you call using Brazilian drum beats and Andean pan flutes

in her songs not representing Latin music that well, that I guess you're right. Maybe she should don a feathered hat like Celia Cruz did.

[GRLMGC]

49. haha n/t

[jellybelly]

50. no....her blonde hair

and her loss of ten pounds has made her less Latin to me...I loved the red hair and chubby face...

fucking retarted bitch, even when I try being nice you come back with a piece of shit comment...get a fucking life you latin music obssessed motherfucker


end of my vent...am happy now:)

[RagingInMiami]

51. no, you get a life, bitch

It was obvious you were unable to continue the discussion on this thread, so you were forced to post a new thread, where you attempted to win your argument with people who did not really care one way or the other about Shakira, her music or her belly dancing.

[jellybelly]

52. I posted that thread in the middle of this thread

check the time...then I left both after trying to end the debate

[GRLMGC]

39. Christina is half Ecuadorian

and wasn't even raised in an Ecuadorian household because her father wasn't around (which was for the best). I doubt she'd be highly influnced by Latin music. Enrique Iglesias is Spanish and he sucks so I'd rather not count him in my ranks.

[jellybelly]

43. LOL!!

But some consider him a Latin artist...what about Ricky Martin? LOL!

[GRLMGC]

45. I'd rather not even think about that

It depresses me

[GRLMGC]

19. Her American career is crap

I'll give you that. However, her Spanish work is great and I hardly think her success in Latin America is due to her bellydancing. Bellydancing can only get you so far.

[jellybelly]

22. I agree completely

Her music is very catchy and her bellydancing helped her become famous...do you see the crowds that start SCREAMING when she starts dancing? She is incredible...

[Champ]

53. Her voice is impressive

She has perfect pitch (the ability to recognize any note upon hearing it or sing any note without prior to hearing it)

[jellybelly]

54. yes

but I don't appreciate her voice in english...I resented her crossover I guess...

[RagingInMiami]

16. Have you ever seen her in concert?

The belly dancing does NOT overshadow her voice or musical talent.

[RagingInMiami]

14. She also does a lot of charitable work for the poor kids in Colombia

Especially in her hometown of Barranquilla. Not bad for someone who "isn't a Latin artist."

http://www.reebok.com/au/about/ir/press/2002/Shakira+and+Reebok+Partner+to+Help+Children+in+Colombia+.htm

[jellybelly]

18. so only "Latin Artists" care about Colombia?

She is a bellydancer before she is a Latin Artist...that's all I'm trying to say...She is great, it's not as if I'm insulting her by saying she is a bellydancer before she's a singer...:eyes:

[RagingInMiami]

21. Shut up with the belly dancing already

Just cause you don't like her music, doesn't mean the thousands of people who are buying her albums are doing it to get off on the belly dancing. And no, she is not a fucking belly dancer before she is a Latin artist.
What the fuck!

[jellybelly]

24. You are taking this too personal

She is a package...bellydancing is part of that package...since you have gone to her concerts you know the thrill that passes through the audience the moment she starts dancing...

[Placebo]

3. Europe!

[sam sarrha]

4. i have been trying to find Samba stations on internet radio..live365.com

has some good ones but their billing statement is really weird... not to sure i want to deal with them..

anyone out there know a good source of cuban/brazilian/island music.?

[SKKY]

9. Two words come to mind when I think of Shakira...

"Spanky Toy"...God she's HOT, HOT, HOT!

[RagingInMiami]

11. And she is very talented

I've seen her in concert and when she is not "belly dancing", she is playing the guitar, drums and harmonica. She also spoke out strongly against Bush in the concert.

[Miami Liberal]

44. Shakira Rocks!

and welcome back! :hi:

Hope you had a good trip.

[LSdemocrat]

10. Where can I hear some of Mr. America's music?

I've never heard of him.