Who's interested in a DU Anarchism Group?

[Wat_Tyler]

Anybody interested in a group dedicated to the discussion and practical applications of Anarchism and related viewpoints?

[Beware the Beast Man]

1. Sod off, you wanker.

[sui generis]

2. don't know what it is

wuzzit?

[ret5hd]

3. who would be our leader?

i can't join without knowing who my leader would be.

[Squatch]

5. Anarchists don't have leaders, do they? Or groups?

Groups imply organization.

[asthmaticeog]

6. Anarchism isn't anti-organization.

Often quite the opposite.

[ret5hd]

11. i guess my attempts at humor...

humor only me, but then, that's all that really counts, isn't it?

[kick-ass-bob]

13. I laughed!

[asthmaticeog]

4. I like the idea

But I wonder, would the mission statement forbid the participation of statists, or not?

[Wat_Tyler]

8. Tough one.

Are you a statist?

[asthmaticeog]

10. Are you calling me out?

[Wat_Tyler]

12. No, I'm asking you out.

[asthmaticeog]

18. I'm not ready to come out.

[Wat_Tyler]

20. Are we gonna fall out?

[asthmaticeog]

22. No need for this to turn into a big blowout.

[Wat_Tyler]

23. I think we got it all out.

[asthmaticeog]

24. Roger that. Over and out.

[madinmaryland]

7. Isn't that an oxymoron?

Anarchists don't believe in groups or societies?

[el_gato]

35. and you base this on what?

free association is a fundamental idea of anarchism

[Wickerman]

9. Sure, build the group up, make something of it

make it productive, let it become corrupt, so you can tear it down. Sounds fun.

[Wat_Tyler]

15. Nah - we'll burn it down.

Or, blow it up.

[Wickerman]

21. there IS a molatov cocktail floating around in the Lounge somewhere

[kick-ass-bob]

14. I name myself leader.

[Wat_Tyler]

17. I think you're looking for the Stalinist Group

second on the left, down the hall. You can't miss it.

[sui generis]

16. wait wait wait I got tricked into sending money and beer and

coupons for dancing girls off to some screaming lord personal deity in Cananadada and all I got was this stupid t-shirt:



what do we get if we join your fancy anarconda group?

[Wat_Tyler]

19. Vague feeling of superiority do you?

[sui generis]

27. eh what's that?

just having fun :toast:

[Wat_Tyler]

29. No, I meant 'will a vague sense of superiority do you'?

I guess it did look ambiguous.

[sui generis]

32. I'm in! you had me at vague

[phusion]

25. I would support this...

It seems a lot of people are echoing the old stereotypes about anarchists...

Anyone curious should read this interview:
http://www.derrickjensen.org/zerzan.html

"JZ: I would say Anarchism is the attempt to eradicate all forms of domination. This includes not only such obvious forms as the nation-state, with its routine use of violence and the force of law, and the corporation, with its institutionalized irresponsibility, but also such internalized forms as patriarchy, racism, homophobia. Also it is the attempt to expose the ways our philosophy, religion, economics, and other ideological constructions perform their primary function, which is to rationalize or naturalize--make seem natural--the domination that pervades our way of life: the destruction of the natural world or of indigenous peoples, for example, comes not as the result of decisions actively made and actions pursued, but instead, so we convince ourselves, as a manifestation of Darwinian selection, or God's Will, or economic exigency. Beyond that, Anarchism is the attempt to look even into those parts of our everyday lives we accept as givens, as parts of the universe, to see how they, too, dominate us or facilitate our domination of others. What is the role of division of labor in the alienation and destruction we see around us? Even more fundamentally, what is the relationship between domination and time, numbers, language, or even symbolic thought itself?"

Zerzan is the man!

[asthmaticeog]

26. I have a collection of Zerzan's essays.

Can't say I fully agree with the man, but he's a superb thinker and provocative writer; his ideas are certainly worth exploring.

[Tafiti]

28. Great post - thanks!

I didn't get all the way through it, but it sounds awesome. Have you read any of Derrick Jensen's work? Language Older Than Words and The Culture of Make Believe are fucking amazing. I've heard of Zerzan (probably through Jensen), but haven't read any of his work.

Thanks again.

[phusion]

31. Jensen is amazing...

I've read Make Believe, Language, and Listening to the Land which is a collection of essays from other, similar thinkers.

I actually heard about Zerzan through Jensen first...Have you read Thom Hartmann's stuff, or Daniel Quinn?

[Tafiti]

33. None of Hartmann...

...but I've read the Ishmael trilogy and Beyond Civilization - awesome stuff. To be honest, Quinn's and Jensen's works practically changed my life - turned my worldview upside-down at least. I'm a pretty slow reader, and I have about 50 books on the docket. You should see my unread bookshelf - it's pathetic. I keep finding books I wanna read, buy them, and then they stay on the shelf 'cause there's a shitload of others in front of it. I can't keep up with myself!

[el_gato]

34. Jensen interviews Zerzan in The Pathology of Civilization

which is a collection of essays by Zerzan

Elements of Refusal by Zerzan is a "must read" book in my opinion.

[Wat_Tyler]

30. Thanks - that's really useful.