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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:17 PM
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Most Liberal Cities???
I am wondering, what are the most liberal cities in the country that don't require a 100,000 a year salary to live in? Do they even exist?
I was force fed this BS by a woman I barely know, an admitted born again Christian:

1. * is a great man
2. Abortion is evil, war is OK.
3. Gay people are sinners who choose to be gay
4. Jesus loves me and will welcome me when I choose to repent and
embrace him. Repent for what, I don't know.

I swear to god, if I don't get out of this valley I am going to go insane. That is the mindset of the majority of people around here. I have to deal with this shit every day. Makes you appreciate the concept of communes. :mad:

Please help me here DUers....I need some input!
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:19 PM
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1. Living large in Madison, WI on under 50K/year
It's great if you don't mind a bit of cold and snow, a bit of hail, a bit of wind, and really huge mosquitos in the summer. Keeps things interesting -- I wouldn't live anywhere else!



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prof_science Donating Member (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 06:06 PM
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37. I have to agree.
I really love Madtown, in terms of the liberal populace and reasonable cost of living.
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thom1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:19 PM
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2. Burlington VT?
Edited on Thu Jan-06-05 04:21 PM by thom1102
Hartford CT, although it is boring as hell here! Maybe Baltimore?
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MsAnthropy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:19 PM
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3. Minnesota is still progressive
and the winters build character. It's pretty cheap to live here, too.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:20 PM
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4. I hear good things about Burlington Vt
I have friends there that keep trying to get me to move there. They claim its a liberal paradise. I visited it. No Anime stores. Can't go. But if lack of Anime is not a criteria for you it may be a good fit.
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:20 PM
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5. Portland, OR
Austin, TX
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:18 AM
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49. austin ain't cheap anymore nt
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LDS Jock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:44 AM
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53. compared to places like NYC and the SF bay area
If it did cost the same I would be gone in a heartbeat to either of those two places. Since its not, Austin will do for now.
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hickman1937 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:21 PM
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6. Detroit's pretty liberal. n/t
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:24 PM
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8. But surrounded by conservatives
I live in Detroit. Current mayor is likely corrupt. Not looking good locally. Can't recommend it as a liberal haven.
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hickman1937 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:28 PM
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9. Yeah, I've been reading that.
Very disappointing.
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:47 PM
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35. Hey, our suburb voted Kerry!
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sldavis Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:29 PM
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12. I'm a fan of Ann Arbor
but the cost of living is admittedly a couple percent higher than Detroit. I work in Detroit, and I know what you mean about the local politics. We chose to live in between Ann Arbor and Detroit, and it's not bad.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:23 PM
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7. There are no promises in any city that you won't be tormented
by zealous Bushistas and/or god thugs. But cities on the northwest coast are notably liberal. San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, - not the small little villages necessarily and not all of the mid-sized towns, but the major cities are typically more liberal.
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:29 PM
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11. I'm sure not, but there must be places I'll have to deal with it less!
If I go to the grocery store here for example, I will see an average of 50 */Cheney stickers. They are like cockroaches here. :puke:
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:28 PM
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10. If you don't mind living in Jeb Bush country
Broward County is very liberal. You got the ocean, great weather, plenty of diversity and excellent nightlife.
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:30 PM
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13. Well here you are...
I'd say San Francisco, except it costs an arm and a leg to live there, from what I've heard. Here's a few alternatives...

LIBERAL COMMUNITIES
BIG CITIES
(100,000 or more)
Boston, MA
Cambridge, MA
Berkeley, CA
Oakland, CA
San Francisco, CA
New Haven, CT
Providence, RI
New York, NY
Baltimore, MD
Seattle, WA

MEDIUM CITIES
(25,000-99,999)
Northampton, MA
Somerville, MA
Arlington, MA
Watertown, MA
Santa Cruz, CA
Alameda, CA
Ithaca, NY
Portland, ME
East Palo Alto, CA
Chelsea, MA

SMALL CITIES
(Under 25,000)
Provincetown, MA
Mount Rainier, MD
Albany, CA
Fairfax, CA
Garrett Park, MD
Orono, ME
Takoma Park, MD
Guerneville, CA
Bar Harbor, ME
Johnson, VT

MOST LIBERAL IN STATE
(For selected states)
AZ - Flagstaff
CA - Berkeley
CO - Telluride
CT - Salisbury
FL - Wilton Manors
GA - Decatur
IA - Iowa City
IL - Oak Park
KS - Lawrence
MA - Boston
MD - Mount Rainier
ME - Orono
MI - Ferndale
MN - Golden Valley
MO - Kansas City
NC - Carrboro
NH - Hanover
NJ - Montclair
NM - Santa Fe
NY - Ithaca
OH - Oberlin
OR - Lincoln City
PA - Philadelphia
RI - Providence
TX - Bellaire
VA - Baileys Crossroads
VT - Johnson
WA - Vashon
WI - Madison

http://www.epodunk.com/top10/liberal/
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Cyndee_Lou_Who Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:31 PM
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14. How is Chicago NOT on there??
:shrug:
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:31 PM
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15. It's top ten
Dunno. I didn't make the list!
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:49 PM
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19. Hell don't feel bad, my STATE isn't even on the list!!
Somehow, I am not the least bit surprised. :eyes: lmao
Thank you SO much for posting this!!
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barackmyworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:37 PM
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34. Chicago had the largest margin of Kerry votes
the city itself usually votes 80-90% dem.
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Bat Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:25 AM
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70. Damn straight!
We're liberal as hell, and we'll kill anyone who says otherwise. Then we'll bury their bodies in a shallow grave in the forest preserve.

So I've heard. I haven't ever...there's no evidence.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:34 PM
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16. Bellaire tops in Texas? Bellaire is part of Houston. Austin is the place!!
:wtf:

Austin is THE liberal city in Texas - at least our county as a whole went for Kerry. Gore would have carried our county in 2000, but 10% went for Nader. :P
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 06:22 PM
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41. Sending my kid to Austin in the Fall...
To attend UT...

It ain't easy being a Dem <and a Unitarian Universalist> in NORTH Texas. She's escaping this area and going to a BLUE city/county!
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:12 AM
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55. I'm not sure how they derived those choices.
Bellaire was traditionally a heavily Jewish neighborhood; actually, it's a separate city within the Houston urban sprawl. It's also close to the Medical Center, so the education level is probably pretty high. I believe there's also an African-American contingent & they aren't fools.

There were more Kerry than Cheney signs in my own neighborhood just north of downtown. And my Rep is Sheila Jackson-Lee.

Austin's a lovely city but it's not what it used to be. Of course, they were saying that 20 years ago.

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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 05:52 AM
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45. Golden Valley Minnesota
Are you freaking kidding me? Minneapolis is FAR more liberal than Golden Valley.

And Minneapolis is not listed on the big cities list....very democratic and much lower cost of living than most of the big cities on the list!
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hollywood926 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:34 PM
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17. Columbus, Ohio
A lot of Columbus is very liberal - just pick the right neighborhoods; the campus area, Clintonville, German Village, downtown.

I suppose a lot of cities have liberal/freeper areas.
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:52 PM
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22. I am only about 200 miles from Columbus
So it wouldn't be a HUGE move :)
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hollywood926 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:59 PM
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25. It's a nice city - I lived there for 10 years....
Anyone who's anyone in Columbus is Black (the mayor, the fire chief, the police chief, most of city council, etc.) and it's mostly Democrat - but like someone pointed out, you'll find freepers everywhere.
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:55 AM
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67. Cleveland too
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 10:57 AM by Neo
Very working class, very liberal

I'm in Columbus. I often feel like I'm adrift on a blue island.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/OH/P/00/index.html
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:44 PM
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18. Ithaca NY is so liberal, it freaks even me out sometimes.
But you can live there cheap.

Cheapish.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:50 PM
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20. I second Ithaca/Trumansburg
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:51 PM
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21. That's about and hour from Canadaigua right?
My sister lives there, and I remember visiting last time I was there. About 5 years ago. Where is the closest large hospital, if you don't mind me asking? I'll need one of those if I plan on working ;)
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:54 PM
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23. Cayuga Medical Center (CMC)
I believe...
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:05 AM
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54. There's Cayuga Medical Center just outside town...
it's a pretty decent hospital, but I'm not sure if it qualifies as large. There's another hospital in Cortland, and major hospitals in Syracuse (one hour away) and Sayre, PA.
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:16 AM
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57. Thank you so much!
I am going to google the one in Cortland too :)
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:11 PM
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26. Ithaca is VERY liberal
I was considering applying to Ithaca College for a little while, and it actually could have been my first choice... but there was not enough of a city for me.
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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:28 PM
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32. The FReepers keep talking about it
They tend not to use the most complimentary language which rather implies that it's a tad left of centre.
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:52 PM
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36. Keep talking about Ithaca?
I was looking at a few websites and it looks like a nice place! :)
Welcome to DU! :hi:
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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 05:05 AM
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43. They call it the 'City of Evil'
For example http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1313579/posts

Read into that whatever you wish (nice place is a definite possibility).
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:07 AM
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47. Hahahaha, makes me want to check into the city even more!
They actually have a cafe press site, Ithaca is the City of Evil. :)
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:41 AM
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51. Yeah, Ithaca rocks!
:headbang:
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:55 PM
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24. You could never go wrong with Eugene, OR
But there's also

Santa Cruz, CA
Berkeley, CA
San Francisco, CA
Olympia, WA
Ashland, OR
Albequerque, NM
Ojai, CA
Santa Monica, CA
Madison, WI
Minneapolis, MN
Boulder, Co
Austin, TX

and of course,

Burlington, VT
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:12 PM
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27. Except during the summer
Summers in Eugene suck.
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:16 PM
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31. That's why you come to the coast!
:hi:
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:13 PM
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28. Davis, CA
Berkeley, CA...oops that's expensive.

Taos, NM
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stpalm Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:13 PM
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29. Madison, WI! hell yeah
MN is pretty liberal too
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:15 PM
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30. Chicago is not ridiculous in price
Depending on your requirements. It ain't cheap, but you don't need $100K to live here. And it's 90 percent Dem.
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Cyndee_Lou_Who Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:28 PM
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33. Woo hoo for Chicago!!
Liberal, great food, excellent music... wonderful people.

<<<sigh>>> I miss it...
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 06:14 PM
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38. Any thoughts on Philiadelphia?
I have never been there, but I know they have a nice children's hospital!
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:43 AM
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52. Philly's definitely liberal from their voting patterns.
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 09:35 AM by GOPBasher
However, I'd imagine it's pretty expensive. I don't live terribly close to there and I don't know for sure, but usually, a city that big is very expensive. There are also the suburbs around Philly, which I hear are at least socially liberal, if a bit fiscally conservative. At least you wouldn't have to deal with the fundy right.
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:18 AM
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58. Very true.
I am only an hour away from Pittsburgh now, but I'd like to move a little further than that. I am really going to look into Philly too. Definitely a suburb though. :D
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 06:15 PM
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39. Vancouver, BC, Canada
Elected the most Liberl Council ever.
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 06:20 PM
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40. As much as I'd love to, I'd have to leave my husband behind :)
He'd never in a million years leave the country :) But good suggestion!
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 06:56 PM
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42. I think Detroit gave Kerry the biggest margin
of any American city. 94%

See this article for other high-margin cities:

http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/article.cfm?issue=12-07-04&storyID=20239
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:31 AM
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61. True, but they also voted against gay marriage
And they don't recycle.
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LDS Jock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 05:25 AM
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44. this site might help
its not being updated now, but there are opinions from people who live around the country about how liberal places are.

http://www.turnleft.com/geo.html
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:09 AM
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48. Ooooo, thanks for this link!! :) nt
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LDS Jock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:21 AM
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50. you're welcome..
I just wished it was still being updated. I love to read the comments from those living in other parts of the country about their cities.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 06:47 AM
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46. Columbus GA
KIDDING!
I can't wait to get out of Fucktardia...
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corksean Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:15 AM
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56. Why not come to Ireland, according to the Economist magazine
"the best place to live in the world".

Ireland is the best place to live in the world, according to a "quality of life" assessment by Economist magazine.

The country's combination of increasing wealth and traditional values gives it the conditions most likely to make its people happy, the survey found.

Ireland was followed by Switzerland, Norway and Luxembourg. All but one of the top 10 were European countries.

The USA languished in 13th, while Britain was 29th - the lowest of the pre-expansion EU nations.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4020523.stm

We'd love to have all you right-minded folks over here.
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:22 AM
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59. It is a beautiful country, I'd love to!
My husband on the other hand, wouldn't even go to Canada. :P
Welcome to DU though!! :hi:
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corksean Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:28 AM
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60. Thanks for the welcome.
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 09:29 AM by corksean
Pretty extraordinary place this DU.
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:33 AM
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62. Yes, it is. Glad you found us!
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 09:33 AM by smbolisnch
;)
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:17 AM
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63. Britian at #29?
You guys must love that!
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corksean Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:48 AM
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66. Long time coming!
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:25 AM
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65. I would love to move there
I've heard nothing but wonderful things about Ireland. My best friend's brother moved over there years ago and is still in love with the country.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:22 AM
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64. Austin, TX...as long as you don't mind the insanity outside of the city
I can live in this city and completely forget that the rest of the state is red.
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jswordy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:05 AM
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68. If you want to live where it is warm...or out West...
Three I would recommend:

SOUTH

Athens, Ga. Writer's mecca, you can see famous writers walking down the streets, many own homes. Great music scene. Liberal, home of University of Georgia. Low cost of living.

Asheville, NC. Liberal mecca that draws 'em in from around the South. Great organic food stores! Lots of alternative lifestyles. Fun shops, etc. Low to moderate cost of living.

NON-CA. WEST

Albuquerque, NM. University of New Mexico home. Good liberal to conservative mix town, great racial mix, the cops are a bit Hitlerish, but you can avoid them. Great organic food stores! Awesome thrift shops, every one is big into recycling. You can be in 60 degrees in the valley, and drive 30 minutes up Sandia Mountain and be skiing. Cost of livng is higher. Saw my favorite bumper sticker there: Jesus is Coming, Hide Your Bong!

Austin, TX. Another great liberal college town in a warmer clime, an oasis in the middle of the REDWASH.

DID YOU SAY COMMUNE?

The Farm, located near Nashville, TN.
http://www.thefarm.org/
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:21 AM
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69. Check this link out
http://www.turnleft.com/geo.html

generally, college towns tend to be liberal, and a lot of larger cities will have liberal neighborhoods. Large urban areas tend to be Democratic but not necessarily liberal. And some of the reddest states can still have liberal parts.
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71. NEW ORLEANS!!
we voted almost 80% for Kerry, the cost of living is low, there is a large gay community and it's just a great place to live. Most interesting city in the world, if you ask me. We've got it all: Culture, History, Music, FOOD, and fun.

come on down!
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