Randy Moss- Great Player Or Asshole

[DemocratSinceBirth]

[pnb]

1. Both

They ain't mutually exclusive.

[StopTheMorans]

2. i agree

[indepat]

9. I also agree

[Renew Deal]

24. I also also agree.

He's a great player. Sometimes he does dumb things.

[NYYFan]

29. Message is authentic, I concur

Great player. Still has trouble with the concept that there is no I in TEAM. A shame that his antics always seem to undo all talk of how good he really is.

[giant_robot]

58. "There is however an 'I' in 'pie'

... as in meat pie and meat is an anagram for team... I don't know, you get the picture."

By the way, I vote for both great player and asshole.

[ProfessorGAC]

10. That, Of Course, Is The Correct Answer

Talent off-the-scale. The common sense of a carrot.
The Professor

[Kenneth ken]

20. LMAO

common sense of a carrot - that was great! :7

:thumbsup:

laaughing so hard I can't even put 4 letters in proper sequence

[Karenina]

51. Which word doesn't he understand?

NO DANCING IN THE END ZONE

(It's like "No Dying On the Ice.")

Randy is an ASS. SO WHAT??? US drops bomb on wrong house. 14 killed. Lot's of kids amongst the dead. BUT RANDY MIMED A MOON!!!! :eyes:

*dauphin spews shit around the globe, then demands his anal orifice be licked clean. At least Randy has his game DOWN!

[msgadget]

22. Of a carrot??

ROFL!

[donheld]

23. Great playing asshole

or and Asshole playing great.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. I Wonder What Would Have Happened If He Really Mooned The Fans?

I remember when Dennis Rodman said his fantasy was to play a basketball game naked... David Stern said that's the last game he would ever play in the NBA...

[T Roosevelt]

4. Punk

as my wife says. Fine, he can catch the ball, but if you're not a team player, you're not a great player.

[StopTheMorans]

5. if you're not a team player, you're not a great team player, but you can

still be a great player...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. He Reminds Me A Bit Of Kobe Bryant...

but he lacks Kobe's dominance of his game and Kobe's panache...

[FredScuttle]

19. Ask Al Harris about Randy's lack of "dominance"

Al Harris didn't need to see Moss' celebration...he already got three-plus hours of a good view of his ass.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. You Can't Compare Randy Moss To Kobe Bryant

As far as their dominance of their game...


Kobe has been the best guard in the NBA for the past five or six years and has three championships...


How many championships does Randy Moss have?

[FredScuttle]

41. Let's see how many titles Kobe wins without Shaq

Going to have to be an awfully big comeback with Kobe's Lakers 11 games back of the Suns. I concur that Kobe is the preeminent guard in the NBA, but he didn't win those championships all by himself.

I think you can, fairly, compare Moss to Bryant. Both are the premier players at their positions in their sports and both suffer frequently from the results of their ego-driven behavior.

[WildClarySage]

7. I remember when he played for Marshall

he was busted for domestic violence. I hate to break it to those sportscasters, but a positive role model, he ain't. And never was. I think it's ironic that he's being attacked for a mooning which didn't take place rather than the more serious assault charges which were dismissed by an infatuated public.

[petron]

34. You, sir, are a liar!

WildClarySage you are a lying fool. He was never-ever-ever busted for domestic violence and stop making this crap up!

You said something similar in the LBN and you retracted that statement.

Cut the BS.

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And for those of you who were offended, what was sooooo offensive about his behavior?

I think some of the people who were offended need to do some growing up!

It was just a childish prank that is inconsequential in the "big picture".

cheese-n-rice some of people have got their priorities misplaced.

[ProfessorGAC]

36. And I Think That If You Were Entertained, YOU Need To Grow Up

It was childish, sophomoric, and inappropriate. If that kind of thing makes you laugh, you have my sympathy. I wasn't offended. I just thought it was stupid.
The Professor

[petron]

38. what was soooo offensive?

Seriously, why would a childish gesture by someone you don't know mean so much to you?

His behavior has absolutely no impact on your life, or does it?

Give me one good reason why I should be offended. And don't spout of some crap about it being in bad taste or that I'm immature or whatever. Really, tell me how this has some barring on my life or my family's life or my communities existence. I really want to know why I should take a stand against an adult acting childish, seriously.

I can't believe the vitriol of some people over this.

While I too think it was stupid, haven't you ever laughed at the stupidity of some people or in this case some athletes?

[ProfessorGAC]

39. I SPECIFICALLY Said I WASN'T Offended!

Reading for a comprehension is a learnable skill. Look into it!

I said i wasn't offended. I just thought it was stupid, sophomoric, and childish. It is beyond me why any educated person would find it funny.

I can't tell you why you should be offended. I don't know. I was NOT! And, if you would have read my whole first post, you'd know that.

Nowhere in my first post did i say it bothered me. Nowhere in my first post did i say it impacted my life. YOU started this by saying that if one was offended, they needed to grow up. I thought that an act this childish and uncalled for (athletes belitting the fans is NEVER called for) was so unfunny, that it would take a childish response to find it funny.

So, i don't care if you take any stand on it. I'm not. It didn't offend me, for the 5th time! I just found it unfunny, unclever, and certainly not worthy of being insulted by you over it.

I don't need to grow up. I'm 48! In addition (for the 6th time) i wasn't offended. So, if you also thought it was stupid, why the first post, at all? You're defending a stupid act, that wasn't funny. And, no! I don't laugh at the stupid acts of others when they are INTENDED to hurt other people. Moss's act was INTENDED as an insult to the Green Bay fans. Not funny!
The Professor

[petron]

49. So your saying you're there's a chance....

....that you weren't offended.

LOL.

It's just that I understood the word "offensive" or "offended" to mean that it "caused anger, displeasure, resentment, or affront". (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=offensive)

I sense a little anger, perhaps, displeasure about Moss' behavior in the tone of your posts.

And yes it is beyond comprehension that educated people can have a sophomoric sense of humor.

Professor let's put this whole juvenile stunt in context and then maybe you might see the humor in it.

After each game at Lambeau Field the Green Bay Packer fans line up in the parking lot and moon the visiting teams' bus as they leave. Again that to me is funny because it's tasteless, harmless fun. And so when Randy did it, he was just giving the fans what they give him.

But here's the super funny part...Moss only PRETENDED to moon the crowd.

Oh by the way, I can't read very well and I can't write to save my life either and don't get me started on learning stuff.

[ProfessorGAC]

56. No, You Misunderstood

I know about the fans mooning. I just think it unseemly for ANY athlete, no matter who, to denigrate the fans, for any reason.

It's unbecoming a professional, no matter the profession. So, i found it unfunny. No anger. Just didn't think it amusing. Stupid, yes. Funny, no.

I don't believe athletes should put themselves at a level where they reciprocate bad behavior from the fans. I don't give the fans a pass. That's equally stupid. But, a guy who makes a handsome living because of the popularity of the game owes himself, the team, the league and the fans a higher standard. Moss didn't live up to that high standard.
The Professor

[petron]

57. Got it.

In your perfect world:

handsome living = higher standard
silly (possibly drunk) fans = not so high a standard but close

Therefore:
football world = on a pedestal

Sure...got it.

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You know I am just pushing your buttons, right?

[ProfessorGAC]

62. I Know

I don't believe in pedestals for anything but statues and vases. But, yes, an $8 million per year player should be held to a higher standard of behavior. He's a millionaire parent now, not a street thug. He should behave like one.
The Professor

[barb162]

48. it's the idea that some people seem to have no problem acting out

like this on live TV. If he did the same thing with a group of friends in private, well, that's nice, who cares.

[petron]

52. "acting out"

What's that supposed to mean?

He PRETENDED to do something to the fans that they actually do to the visiting team in Green Bay.

[barb162]

54. phrase usually refers to unruly children

"A behavioral, rather than a verbal, expression of feelings, unconscious drives, or impulses. The behavioral acting out of feelings is usually expressed in annoying, disruptive, or anti-social ways. A child exhibiting acting-out behavior is difficult to manage, has trouble adhering to structural limits, and resists timely redirection."
www.childrenwithchallenges.net/definitions.html

[petron]

55. I'd rather not "grow up" by your definition.

Maybe I am an immature punk. Oh well.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

45. i went to marshall as an undergrad when he played here

moss got away with a lot-everyone here knows about his unprosecuted date rape that was covered up

the guy's a piece of shit who thinks he's above the law because authority always turns the other way, caring more about his ability to toss a fucking ball then basic human decency

[CrownPrinceBandar]

37. WCS, can we get a link backing this up?.......................

I've searched all over the interets and can't find anything supporting your claim.

[Southpaw Bookworm]

40. Here's one

http://www.marshall.edu/parthenon/archives/19961119/news1.html

[CrownPrinceBandar]

42. Right.........

It also looks like the popped his girlfriend for the same charge, in fact they got her for destruction of property too.

However, its not the violent situation that WCS had inferred, In fact it sounded like an abusive relationship on BOTH sides. To be exact, the article says:

""This is not the typical domestic violence situation," DiPiero said. "Randy did not strike her. She was not beaten.""

While I say all domestic violence is wrong and Mr. Moss and Ms. Offutt should be subject to the same judicial process as any other offender, I wish folks would get their stories straight before they come out in public and make exaggerated accusations.

[petron]

50. i stand corrected

"This is not the typical domestic violence situation," DiPiero said. "Randy did not strike her. She was not beaten."

He is an animal worthy of piles of hate and ridicule.

[Champ]

60. Domestic Violence??? WTF???

He attacked someone in high school but I believe there was some racial tension behind it. I can't remember the story exactly but it was something along those lines.

[The White Tree]

8. You need a category for both

He's a great player but what an ass. I've never seen a commentator so offended by what a player did as last night. That might be because of the "moral correctness" age that we are living in but come on now. Being an ass to be an ass is somewhat pointless and redundant.

I understand that sports are entertainment. However, some of the entertainment value to me lies in the integrity of the sport and the athletes who compete.

Sports star who say they don't want to be role models confound me. If you don't want to be a role model then you shouldn't be playing the sport because that is why everyone is watching you - to admire you skills and abilities on the playing field.

Otherwise you are just using society to make yourself rich and while that is acceptable, to me it is extremely distasteful and makes me less likely to want to watch.

[silvermachine]

13. Commentator...

I thought that the commentators were way over the top in their prefab outrage quotient. I DID think that what Moss did was pretty tasteless and low class but it hardly warranted all the apoplectic reactions. Players take cheap shots, do late hits, spear with their helmets every game, all of the actions that can cause serious injury, paralysis, and even death, but I never hear quite the shock and indignation expressed over that stuff that you hear over manufactured moral issues. Ray Lewis can strut and dance and make outrageous statements but I hear nothing but fawning remarks about his idiocy. If you don't think that thug has a place waiting in the announcers' booth for him at the end of his career, you're crazy. But a player like Moss, who admittedly is a pain in the ass, at least is honest about himself.
Did anyone see the interview with Jimmy Johnson before the game? Another ridiculous moment. Moss made remarks to the effect that he knows that walking off the field last week with 2 seconds left was the wrong thing to do, but then said basically that it is just the way he is. He also said he can't promise that he wouldn't do it or something like it again in the future. All the guy was saying was that he is human, and he might "fuck up" again. You'd think they could at least give him a little credit for being frank and honest. But then (I think it was) Howie Long goes bonkers after the interview, saying that Moss claimed that he might do it again if he got the chance. What bullshit. That was not what Moss was saying at all. No wonder the guy feels contemptuous and doesn't really give a damn.
It looks like after the Terrell Owens Monday night "outrage" and the Janet Jackson nipple incident, and Ricky Williams audacious retirement (the nerve! Crotchety relic Mike Wallace's interview with him on 60 Minutes was like a lost scene from Reefer Madness), sports announcers have figured out that a great way to get ratings and to be able to preen about as moral avatars is to take some minor incident or remark, blow it up way out of proportion, and let the media and public follow like lapdogs. Face it, teams don't hire role models, they hire athletes.

[morgan2]

15. I agree

what I really noticed about the commentator, is that at first he said something like "And Randy just gave the fans a big moon." Then like 20 seconds later he started saying it was classes. His first comment he sounded almost laughing. I'd have to watch it again, but my first impression was that he thought it funny, then someone, maybe buck himself, realized it may get the network in trouble for showing it and went on the attack.

[melissinha]

11. He was an asshole yesterday!

Did anyone see him yesterday? He almost mooned the end zone at Green Bay (well he pointed his butt out)

[Toby109]

14. Looked to me like he faked wiping his ass

on the goalpost as well. Need to see a replay.

[no name no slogan]

32. Yesterday? He's like that ALL the time

Yup, that's our Randy. Pure, unadulterated ASSHOLE. Sure he's got an attitude problem, but he's also one of two players who actually make the ViQueens worth half a damn this year.

Moss may be an asshole, but he's OUR asshole.

[underpants]

12. I think Joe Buck would call him "uppity"

Got it?

[Done]

16. Players taunting the fans is why there is violence

between the fans and the players. (Remember the NBA Game?). The league needs to come down on this stuff. I was reminded why I don't watch much NFL anymore.

[ThorsHammer]

17. Both

[cruadin]

18. I have to agree with what has already been posted...

a player can be both a tremendous athlete

AND

a narcissistic asshole.

[fortyfeetunder]

21. This is not professional football anymore

it's entertainment, like a circus with goal posts and sans rings. I just laugh at the crap on Sunday, and it's bizness as usual on Monday.

I don't understand the NFL getting wrapped around the axle. They let this entertainment aspect into the game over 20 years ago when video games entered the scene, gained popularity, and people were losing interest in sitting down and watching TV. They brought this crap onto themselves.

[Seldona]

25. An utter asshole.

And an overrated receiver.

Sure he has talent.

But it is what one does with it that makes one great. And in that regard, he just might be the worst player in the NFL.

[SKKY]

26. We were all left out of an inside joke between Moss and the Cheeseheads...

...aparently, they like to moon the visiting teams bus as they leave. I really don't see the problem here. I don't think we want our Professional sports here in the States to be that boring.

[egbtpl]

27. What is interesting to me

Is, noone has mentioned Brett Favre poking the eyes of a Vikings player during a game, then pushing a ref away after the scuffle:



The whole denunciations of Moss is overblown hype. The NFL loves Moss and his antics and they know it. This stuff sells. They could condemn Favre just as easily for the above incident - or wait --> What if Moss was the one poking an eye out and pushing the ref off him?

[Left Is Write]

46. You are correct. Moss' mock moon was an answer to the Packer fans'

habit of mooning the opposing team.

[Cuban_Liberal]

28. Both. n/t

[GOPBasher]

31. He's definitely both, a great player AND an asshole. nt

[Wapsie B]

33. I dare say

most teams in the league would die to have Randy on their squad, even as banged up as he's been this season. He's just a non-conformist that's all. Is he an angel? Hell no.

[CrownPrinceBandar]

35. Whats the big deal?...............................

So he acted like he mooned the crowd. At least he didn't pull a Sharpie out of his sock. So he pitches a bitch when he doesn't get the ball, I guess no one else does that either :eyes:.

My guess is he's unfairly scrutinized because he is so good. And yes, he's an asshole - so what? Professional sports is full of them. Why is Randy so different?

[barb162]

43. incredibly ignorant, insulting to fans, bad taste, etc

it's too bad he can't act just a bit more like a grown-up and at least "act" a bit more dignified.

[CrownPrinceBandar]

59. You mean unlike, umm...say, Warren Sapp?..........................

I think the gregarious Mr. Sapp would also fill the above resume. Oh yeah, you can add disrespectful of officials.

Like I said, assholes all around.

[Champ]

61. Insulting to fans?

I'd imagine Packer fans are anything but class when it comes to the Vikings, I'm sure it is the same way when it comes to Viking fans and the Pack. I don't know Moss as a person, the media ONLY focuses and overblows the bad side of players of professional sports. When a player contributes half a million to a charity and teach a group of hundred kids the finer points of the game no one ever hears about it.

[Left Is Write]

44. Can't he be both?

[DinahMoeHum]

47. Both, but IMO, Terrell Owens has more creativity in taunting.

:evilgrin:

[petron]

53. Karl Girbschmit

In the words of our good friend from Elk Mound, WI...

"Randy Moss is a great player."
-Karl Girbschmit