Report: Harry for Auschwitz visit

[CountAllVotes]

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Britain's Prince Charles has ordered his son Harry to visit Auschwitz after he caused outrage around the world by wearing a Nazi uniform to a party, the Sun newspaper reported on Friday.

The paper said heir-to-the-throne Charles was "incandescent with rage" with the 20-year-old grandson of Queen Elizabeth and wants him to make a private trip to the concentration camp to learn more about the Holocaust.

Jewish groups had demanded Harry go to the camp in southwest Poland to make amends for wearing a swastika armband and an army shirt with Nazi regalia at a costume party on Saturday.

The Sun, which broke the Nazi gaffe story on Thursday, quoted an unnamed royal source as saying that Prince Charles also told his older son, William, to travel with Harry to Auschwitz.

"There will be no publicity and they will go with a Jewish charity," the source was quoted as saying in the Sun.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/01/14/harry.charles.reut/index.html

[mattclearing]

1. They should make him wear the uniform when he does it. Dumbass. n/t

[hollywood926]

20. But what about Janet Jackson's boob?

It's so sad when liberals become media suckers just like everybody else.

[mattclearing]

24. Yeah, it's like when people bitch about reality TV, and then

start talking about how they hate that girl's hair.

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[davidinalameda]

3. good for Charles

maybe he has the balls to become queen after all

[slutticus]

4. The question is,

Would Charles still be so pissed if the media hadn't plastered the picture all over the place.

If Charles had just found out privately that Harry had done it, would he still be going to Auschwitz?

[Lorien]

6. Yes, he probably would

people from his generation in Britain tend to take that sort of thing very seriously.

[spooked]

13. Oh, I think Charles would still be making him go

Diana was the one swayed by the media, remember?

[sweetheart]

5. harry's an adult, he should tell 'is dad to go blow a goat

Letting the british press force someone to visit a concentration camp
because they exercised however poorly judged free expression in wearing
a costume that many underground artists sport in one form or another
(including velvet revolver at a recent concert), it all gets a bit
tiresome.

If Harry is really of serious fibre, which i hope he is, then he'll
tell his dad that he's busy that weekend, and perhaps another time.

Perhaps prince charles can invite the BNP party to visit aushtitz
with william, as at least THERE are some people who might be learning
from the experience.

All this browbeating of a rebellious youth does nothing to nurture
his spirit. Maybe those millions who died in that war died so that
harry might have his freedom of expression, even to wear a costume.

I'm sure that had he worn the costume of napoleon, he would not have
been chastized... or a british soldier from kenya in the 50's committing
genoicide... genocide is only bad when its not british.

[Ripley]

7. I think the outrage is that the Royal Family is to conduct the

commemoration at a Holocaust Memorial ceremony in about two weeks. So in light of that he appears to be not just making a free expression statement by choice of costume, but extremely callous to the somber event coming up.

[sweetheart]

17. Harry is not the queen. The queen is not harry

The queen was not wearing a swaztika. Yes it was unwise his choice,
but that it is anything more than a trivial thing, is quite sad.

Lets view this in perspective. Were Jenna bush to wear a confederate
flag to the inauguration, would she be forced to go visit the battle
fields of the civil war and issue a public apology?

Likely, people would accept that she is just a screwed up redneck like
her daddy... no more...

[skygazer]

32. You have a very odd perspective

If Jenna Bush wore a confederate flag to the inauguration, I would hope that a whole lot of people would be outraged and demand some sort of apology. Damn straight.

Sorry, it's not a trivial thing to make a joke out of a regime that murdered 6 million Jews, countless Poles, Catholics, Gypsies, political dissidents and anyone else they felt like gassing. And when the person doing it is a high profile person who is bound to be photographed, it's completely irresponsible.

He's not a little kid - he's an adult and he damn well ought to be media savvy enough to know how offensive that was and not do it. I think it's perfectly appropriate to send him to visit Auschwitz. Perhaps you ought to tag along - it sounds like you could use a history lesson yourself.

[sweetheart]

36. I've visited dachau, speak for what you know

I don't have anything in my household that has anything to do with
the nazis, nor have I EVER given any credence to that foul regime
and what it stood for. I've visited and seen much of the legacy of
that crime across europe, from battlefields and the mass starvation
of st. Petersburg, to the berlin wall and east germany and that giant
memorial in eastern berlin to the fallen red army soldiers it took to
put down the nazis.

That personal quip in your post was inappropriate.

As an adult, Prince Henry of wales can make his own choices, and needn't
be "sent" anywhere. He surely has learned from this media shit storm
that his actions have consequences, and perhaps that is lesson enough,
that what he considered just a costume, has real deep meaning to some
people in living memory.

I'm more concerned with more serious mass murders that are preventable
such as the falluja war crime, what happens today in eastern congo
and sudan, AND the AIDS epidemic. The lesson i take from history is
to ignore the assholes who want to be offended by historical symbols
and focus on the preventable mass murders that are taking place NOW.

In this regard, prince harry should have worn an american flag with
nazi swaztikas instead of stars on it, to make a more consciencious
point.

[Lorien]

8. You've got to be kidding me

no one died in a concentration camp to protect anyone's "freedom of expression", unless that's what you consider the Nazi's murderous intents.

[hollywood926]

18. But we still have it, don't we?

Or has Bush, President of the World, taken it away already?

[sweetheart]

19. Millions of brits died defending britain from the nazis

Thats a fact. This did indeed defend the british right to freedom of
expression. That millions died in concentration camps, should advise
us in modern times to deplore the american republcians who have helped
support several subsequent genocides from the pol-pot one, to ruwanda,
to 3.5 millions killed in congo last year.

All this pumped up indignation is all bullshit. The fact is that had
harry worn an american flag on his sleeve, he should go visit guantanamo
and apologize as well.

[CountAllVotes]

9. yeah if you can ignore these facts

<< The mass-market Daily Mail demanded in a huge page one headline "Come out and say sorry properly!," while the downmarket Daily Star branded Harry "The Fool in the Crown."

The voice of the establishment, The Times, dismissed his apology as "feeble" and said he had fallen in with "a dubious group of self-indulgent young men who are apparently content with a life of pointless privilege."

The Guardian noted: "This young man could one day be our king. That is a sobering thought to many, if not yet to Prince Harry himself."
>>

Sounds like Harry is making plenty of "friends" ...

[sweetheart]

21. Facts of the vapourous world of spinning hot air

The hollywood star says that bush is descended from elvis! Therefore
he should issue a proclamation.

The times is the voice of Murdoch, not the establishment. I thought
you knew that! Even the times today has an article suggesting that
harry's just an adult who's been to too many west end musicals and
seen too many long-dead films... desensitizing him to what some poeple
still consider living memory.

The guardian has many conflicting views as well, but keep in mind that
the paper is really republican in its bias to start with.

So harry's not making freidns, we agree... thats a fact amongst some.
If he had balls, then he would tell the public to shove off and butt
out of his closet.

[Taxloss]

31. "a dubious group of self-indulgent young men who are apparently content

with a life of pointless privilege"

Substitute "people" for "young men", and you have a good description of his entire family.

[Lex]

15. Yeah, and then maybe the British citizens would finally

yank their financial support of Harry's overprivileged ass away entirely.

The royals basically live their life of privilege because the British continue to decide to fund their lifestyle.

Maybe if Harry refused to go to Auschwitz and thumbed his nose at Charles and the outraged Brits, then they'd wise up and discontinue their financial support of his lavish life.

Then we'll see what kind of fibre Harry really has.

[hollywood926]

22. Why fault Harry for being born into privilege?

It's not HIS fault, and from what I can tell he is far more productive a world citizen than 99.9% of American youth - rich OR poor. So he went to a theme party dressed as something related to the theme of the party! Why don't we just have him shot in the back?

Never mind the hard work he has done for the underprivileged. (can you imagine a 20-year-old AMERICAN MALE volunteering to help the poor??? I can't!)

(He'll likely be joining the service soon, as well - something rich American kids rarely do.)

[Lex]

26. I don't fault him for being born into privilege

but I would never, as you suggested, have him shot in the back.

WTF?

He could do all the *wonderful* things he does living on his own family money.

[hollywood926]

27. You're really smart, Lex.

[Taxloss]

33. The theme of the party was "natives and colonials"

That is tasteless and inappropriate in the extreme. A man who may become head of the Commonwealth should not have attended.

[sweetheart]

23. YES!!!

And here on a liberal board that stands for the equality of all peoples,
we should be encouraging harry to thumb his nose for exactly that reason.
He's a regular bloke, and we shold encourage the royals to come down
off the pedestal.

You're one of the few that understands the politics behind supporting
harry's free expression.... right on!

[Taxloss]

34. Hear, hear.

Incidentally, do you know that if you said that in Britain you'd technically be in breach of the law? It's a crime to advocate a republic. Another of our charming quaint traditions.

[hollywood926]

16. Thank you, sweetheart....I was wondering where the liberals were!

Geez, I thought I was on that freeper site for a minute - where freedom of expression is not permitted.

Harry can wear whatever the fuck he wants. He was at a private party where the theme was related to what he wore.

Had he worn a Saddam costume, no one would have said a word. Or what about a white male American slaveowner such as Jefferson? Can we not dress up as Jefferson?

Once more, political correctness is running amok.

He should NOT have to go to Auschwitz. Ridiculous.

[sweetheart]

25. me too!

Thanks... i start wondering when confederate flags don't require
mandatory visits to slave plantations... That people love to fixate
on the past, and yet falluja, as the wise poster below remarks is the
real place where prince blair and the prince of darkness shrub should
be paying a visit... lest they wear american flags on their sleeves
and be seen as heinous war criminals...

gosh, what an era we live in! :-)

[barb162]

30. "tell his dad he's busy that weekend" Then dad can tell Harry he's

cutting Harry off from every red penny,oh,and the car keys too. Harry is not supporting himself

[Taxloss]

35. How would you feel if it was Jenna Bush?

I would guess you'd be incandescent with rage. Harry is a drunken embarrassment.

[Spiffarino]

10. Stupid kid

The Nazi era of WW2 is something kids study in history books now. They have no real connection to it. Most don't have relatives and friends who lived through that period. It's an abstraction.

Harry apparently doesn't understand that there are many in England who lived through the Blitz. They have firsthand memories that are still fresh after 60 years. Parading around in a Nazi uniform must have offended the survivors deeply. Though it's an important first step, a trip to Auschwitz will not be enough.

The next step should be to meet with the survivors and family members who lost loved ones in the German firebombing of London. He should apologize to every one of them.

I hope he and his brother learn a valuable lesson from their trip.

[Patiod]

14. "Stupid kid" was my reaction

when I was that age, my friends were doing stupid and tasteless things, too.

I went to high school with the children of Holocaust survivors, and we had people parents come in and talk to us about the camps (not just the death camps, but the US Japanese internment camps as well, lest we think nothing bad could ever happen here) so it was REAL - you saw Mrs. Nuremberg's tatoo, or heard Mr. Okamoto himself talk about having to leave his house in California.

Like it or not, the kid is a public figure, not a regular rebellious kid - so Dad is going to be sure that he is exposed to something that coud make it real for him so he doesn't make such as ass of himself again. Sound good to me.

[Heddi]

29. He's not a kid. He's 20

not to say that 20 = hardened adult with years of life experience, I'd just like to point out that 20 is HARDLY a child.

[NNadir]

38. At 20, Einstein was hard at work on Special Relativity.

Twenty is not a child.

On the other hand, for the member of a seriously inbred family, maybe there is no such thing as adulthood.

[madison2000]

40. I agree. I think all the Windsor men should go.

The numbers of holocaust survivors are quickly dwindling and its importatnt that those who understand what happened during WWII remind the next generation.

[tk2kewl]

11. Should probably take bush on a Falluja field trip while we're at it

:mad:

[Spiffarino]

12. .

n/t

[Taverner]

28. Proper punishment

Good for Charles. I never much liked Prince Charles, but this is just good solid parenting.

[CanuckAmok]

37. Don't cut that pompous ass any slack.

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. He's currently involved in a scandal of his own, in which he was caught saying that the whole problem with society is all these poor average people trying to rise above their stations.

Fuck the whole inbread, lazy House of Windsor. The royals need to go.

CA, still a British Citizen, and still and anti-monarchist.

[derby378]

39. Make sure Harry visits Blocks 11 and 13

Block 13 was where Mengele conducted medical experiments on his unfortunate subjects. Block 11 was the torture center of Auschwitz. Harry needs a good look at Wilhelm Boger's "talking machine" and the Black Wall in Block 11 to see where Nazi ideology ultimately leads.