KOEB New Tie Thread

[crispini]

Because we need to focus!

Link to old tie poll:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x2454839

I also move that the folks who have said they will contribute get a weighted proportion of the votes. That's fair, don't you guys think? So far they are:

Catchawave
Shopaholic
MiamiLiberal
RevCheesehead
gkhouston
TroubleInWinter
Clark2008
crispini
(Patsy, I don't have you on the list, but I'm assuming you're in.)

Anyone else?

I also move that we set a deadline, maybe today? Or Friday? (We can't buy anything tomorrow, don't forget.)

Thoughts?

[gkhouston]

1. today, if at all possible. Time's a-wastin n/t

[Shopaholic]

2. Blue Parrot

2nd runner up-Blue Moschino (spelling?) Blockhead Tie

PM the rest of 'em Houston and Crispini and see if you can round 'em up and get them to reply on this. LOL we are all Dems or Independents aren't we--ask us to decide on one simple thing and we'll drag it out as long as possible and then give you 10 different answers for our final answer! Or discuss our choices and the reasons why in-depth! :hi:

[crispini]

6. So what's your final answer? :) nt

[seito]

3. I will contribute

but I defer choice to those with actual fashion sense :). I am more of an "it's the thought that counts" kinda person.

on edit: I like the symbolism of the orange tie and I like the tie Patsy suggested with the little guys on it

[gkhouston]

4. bunny said last night

Promise me ladies, you will not let the ORANGE tie be chosen. I can live with the gold one, dull 'welcome to the Marriot' that it is, but never the orange one (or the first striped one either).

on edit....I'm still holding out for the snarky little men tie, the blue parrot, or my blueish snarky stripe choice.


in a different message, she later acknowledged that her blueish snarky stripe might not come across well on screen

[gkhouston]

5. and I'm still voting for

Gold Neat (Welcome to the Marriott)

followed by Orange Stripe

I like the little men, but it doesn't come in the longer length, which I think Keith could use, and I think he'd do better with a non-blue tie; something to contrast with his suits/shirts.

[bunny planet]

157. thank you gkhouston, you are transcribing my message to the letter.

just checking in.
I'll read down the thread to catch up.

[gkhouston]

7. and patsy came in after bunny and agreed with her post

so bunny and patsy are in agreement. I'll PM Patsy; she's usually around some during the day but I know Bunny's got class all day today.

[crispini]

8. OK, I PMed everyone on the list.

Except Bunny because we know her thoughts.

[Shopaholic]

9. I too am violently opposed to the Orange Tie.

Sorry, I just hate the color. My first choice was Gold Neat but since most of y'all didn't like it, I have now officially changed my vote to Blue Parrot (I like the blue Blockhead Maschino tie too). However, I'm willing to go along with whatever the majority goes for just so long as it is NOT the Orange thing. I'm with Bunny on this one all the way. We also need to make sure that whatever vendor we chose to buy it from can send it express. I know that Jos A Bank could, I don't know about the rest.

[crispini]

14. No, I think Gold Neat was quite popular!

Or at least it seems to be a good compromise choice for many? :shrug:

FWIW, I think Gold Neat is my 1st choice, followed by Patsy's #1 blue stripe.

[gkhouston]

16. well I'm opposed to the orange tie AND the blue parrot

but could live with Gold Neat. Don't love it, but could live with it.

That blue just doesn't go with Keith's suits or shirts that well. I know I'm not a Virgo, but can I pretend to be one while Bunny's not around?

G.

[Patsy Stone]

10. Girl you just rock!

I totally didn't have time to do this though it was on my list. Also, have you spoken to bleever recently? :)

[Shopaholic]

12. I have not spoken to Bleever.

Has anyone else?

[gkhouston]

11. okay, you're going to laugh at me

but I've never sent a PM (only received one) and I can't find the link to the place to do it, nor a FAQ on how it's done. Help!

[Shopaholic]

13. Find Bleevers name on any of the old thrads

look up and scroll your mouse over the options next to the person's user name and one says, "Send Private Message". Click on it and voila, you're PM'ing. On edit-it's the icon next to the user's name that looks like a little sheet of paper with wings/wavy lines next to it.

[gkhouston]

17. Ah. Many thanks! n/t

[cry baby]

15. I can contribute to my lover's (Keef) tie!! I usually don't get in on the

threads because they are so long. Just let me know how much to give. :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

And here is one for you for doing this!:loveya:

[Shopaholic]

18. Heck girls, if we keep getting contributors to the cause,

we might be able to buy the man more than one tie! And on edit-God knows he could use at least two or more new ties--and of course, he needs to burn that damned light grey suit!:bounce:

[crispini]

20. We've got ten on the list so far. nt

[gkhouston]

21. that would alleviate some of the squabbling... :-) n/t

[Patsy Stone]

25. I think that suit is gone

I'll bet we never see it again. Just my feelings here, but if they're really interested in "workin' this side of the street" they've given it to charity already! :)

[crispini]

19. Awesome!

Do you have a vote for the tie?

[Shopaholic]

23. Gold Neat might be our safest choice but if we have enough donors

maybe we could buy both the Blue Parrot tie AND the Gold Neat?????
Just thinking out-loud. Tell me to shut-the-fuck-up if everyone else thinks this is a bad idea! :evilgrin:

[cry baby]

41. I PM'd you!

for you - :hug:

[Patsy Stone]

22. The little men, that's my vote

Hate (and I can't stress how strongly I mean this) that f'n Gold tie. I would go with bunny's stripe, or the the blue parrots in a minute -- and I still like my houndstooth, although no one else does.

The orange tie is right out. I love the symbolism, but I think it's stupid to buy a tie that he can't wear with that green/grey suit: as that's the one that seems to be the problem. I do love orange in general though, don't get me wrong.

There you have it. I will certainly pitch in, just let me know how and when. Also, if you can't do it, I'll put it on my card.

:hi:

[gkhouston]

24. there are two gray suits

green/grey: so-so

light grey: DIE DIE DIE DIE

[Patsy Stone]

27. Yes!

Light gray must DIE. I'm telling you, even my hubby hates it!

[Shopaholic]

29. I have this fantasy of somehow finding out who KO's maid is and

or his assistant and offering them a large cash bribe to destroy that Light Grey Suit.

[Patsy Stone]

39. And that's the only maid fantasy you have?? LOL! n/t

[Miami Liberal]

64. LMAO! n/t

[Shopaholic]

26. I don't hate the Blue Blockhead tie at all. I like it--it's my second

choice. Maybe we need to ask how many really hate the blue parrot; how many really hate the gold/neat; how many really hate the orange-dayglo and the blue blockhead. Maybe that's the best way to do it--eliminate what we hate the most. I hate the orange tie the most.

[gkhouston]

30. hate orange tie most

think parrot tie is hopelessly juvenile

actually like little men tie (go figure) but afraid it may be a little short (57" when 62" would probably be better)

[Clark2008]

130. I hate the gold tie, too

But I wasn't picking the orange one out to wear with that suit. I'm hoping he retires that suit! LOL!

[bunny planet]

158. Little snarky men tie, that's the one. I swear they have Keef's eyebrows.

[bunny planet]

169. I love the little men too but I am worried it won't be long enough.

Oh, that sounded funny. LOL

[Miami Liberal]

28. Hi ladies

I'm torn between the Gold Neat and the one bunny posted. Either of the two will do for me. I don't like the orange or the one with the parrots at all.

Who's writing the note? I'm not creative so my input would be useless. :)


Here's the tie bunny posted.


edited to add store link. http://www.tiedeals.com/duchamp/duchamp_v396a_blor.htm#

[gkhouston]

31. like tie in theory; in practice I think it will strobe on TV n/t

[cry baby]

43. I think we need something with a big, bold print. Something easy

to see on TV so we know he is wearing it for the DU Keith Fan Club.

[gkhouston]

46. or we could just BRAND HIS FOREHEAD! Sheesh. n/t

[Miami Liberal]

51. LOL!

[cry baby]

52. OK, I see you don't like my idea - that's OK, I'm certainly not an

expert. I'll gladly go with whatever you girls suggest.

[crispini]

56. Nah, she's just being funny. :)

I think "distinctive" is also good.

[gkhouston]

63. Quite right. The part I'd brand wouldn't usually show up on screen...

except, perhaps, during an Oddball segment...

[crispini]

65. LOL. nt

[gkhouston]

60. sorry, didn't mean to sound so harsh

it's just that we started talking about ties Friday night and I'm resistant to cranking up another round of it, especially with his birthday only a week off. As I said in another thread, I spent less time than this picking out my wedding dress!

Also, KO doesn't seem to wear big, obvious patterns much, something else that got discussed at some point over the weekend, I think. God knows we talked about EVERYTHING else...

[cry baby]

69. No problem - I have read the threads, I know there has been a lot

of discussion already and you all are doing a great job. I can get into whatever tie or ties you girls pick.

Do you live in Houston?

[gkhouston]

70. yup n/t

[cry baby]

74. I used to live in The Woodlands, I grew up in the DFW area.

[crispini]

86. hey, look at all the Texans in the house! me too! nt

[Shopaholic]

32. Does the stripe come in a longer length?

[gkhouston]

33. don't think so; parrot tie does n/t

[Patsy Stone]

37. I asked

hubby and he says he's never purchased a "longer length" tie. Ever. I have a meeting, but could someone call a really nice men's store and get a definitive answer to this concern?

Also, with much work to do, I'm not sure I'll be around for the Meeting. Perhaps I'll cehck in from work, but there will be no KO on my TV.

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[Miami Liberal]

38. Only comes in one size, 58" n/t

[bettyellen]

34. Hey, did you forget about me? I'm in and I don't know

about the parrots. ok, i do know, i hate em!!
i kinda like the little people, too bad they are not women though, us for instatnce...
I have to admit I voted for the gold neat, but the orange doesn't bother me. the parrots? eeeek. he's not going to model it on tv for us! he's not geraldo! is geraldo still alive? LOL

[crispini]

36. Woops, sorry. I did forget about. you. :)

but now you're here! Yay!

OK, that's 12 people in so far.

[bettyellen]

45. I like the little men tie, but why can't keef just come on in here and

settle it? we just want to make you happy! tell us keith, how we can best please you.
:loveya:

[Miami Liberal]

48. He doesn't wear ties with characters on them

He loves his stripes and Marriot type ties.

Could you imagine, we take all this time and effort in getting him a tie and he doesn't wear it on his show? :grr:

He'll get plenty of :spank: from us.

[Patsy Stone]

50. You can't tell they're little men

It just looks like a patttern. Who picks these ties anyway? Is it really him? I'll bet it's the wardrobe mistress and I'll bet he'd rather be caught dead then wear a tie when he's not on-air.

:hi:

[crispini]

53. Yep, we probably don't have to worry about what KO likes at all..

it's what WARDROBE likes, heh heh heh. :)

[Miami Liberal]

54. He definitley picks his wardrobe

No one in their right mind would let him go on air with the dreadful light gray suit. :puke:

Sorry I had to include the pukey guy in a thread about KO. :)

:hi:

[crispini]

35. Gold Neat is on sale for $35.

We have 11 contributors so far. Just an FYI - if "Gold Neat," we'd have more than enough if each person chipped in $3 or $4, for some of the $50 ties we'd probably need to go to $5.

Just pointing that out.

[Patsy Stone]

40. I think he deserves more than a $35 tie. :) n/t

[gkhouston]

44. well, duh... but it's way on sale... we should complain? n/t

[gkhouston]

42. then shall we get a second tie?

and if so, which one?

[bettyellen]

47. I don't know about two ties, then it feel like we're his mom or something

which is not the message we want to give.
it should be a long one though. my brothers just an inch taller and can never wear the reg length. it makes him look like a kid.
size matters!
hey, we're in the lounge, so.....

[bunny planet]

205. it actually says that on one of the long tie sites, Size matters!

LOL

[gkhouston]

49. we're thrashing. Gold Neat tie. What about the message? n/t

[gkhouston]

55. this is a variation of a message suggested in the other thread by

by someone who is (cough) hypothetically not involved:


Compassion, Wisdom, Humor, Integrity - Thanks for everything.

Happy Birthday,

Your viewers at DU


Opinions?

[Miami Liberal]

58. Shouldn't it say

Democratic Underground instead of DU?

[troubleinwinter]

59. I thought the same thing!

Democratic Underground

[crispini]

61. Mmm, it's a little terse.

I'd go with something that's an actual sentence. Like,

Thank you for your superlative coverage and your sense of humor.

etcetera.

[gkhouston]

66. go for a longer version then but bear in mind

this is something we may be entering on an electronic form that the merchant will print out... there may be a length limit. Let's have two versions, just in case.

I'm okay with spelling out DU... but I'm pretty sure he knows where the tie is coming from now... and which one it's going to be. If we were truly evil, we'd be PM'ing each other like mad underneath the surface and picking out something completely different!!!

[noamnety]

77. I think something short is good

I was specifically going for nonstalkerish, in an attempt to portray us you all as not too gushy. But still something that would give him a nice ego-boost. I figured he knows we know he's smart, but it would be good to let him know we recognize he's compassionate and integrified integritous full of integrity. I think he might appreciate that more. :D

-- (hypothetically) above all this

[bettyellen]

87. yeah, not so terse...

we could add something like with gratitude and admiration for... yadda yadda.
should a happy birtthday be thrown in there? or are we assuming he already knows this.
i'm assuming he knows everything!
hi keef :hi:
wanna play some night baseball?

[Shopaholic]

62. Intelligence--need to put that first

We need to mention that at the very beginning-and something about how we appreciate he doesn't dumb down our news (okay--except for Oddball & Keeping Tabs). Maybe describe him as TV for People who Think and Want Real Answers to their Questions or some such something. The man writes like 99% of his show--we need to give him props for all of his hard work. It's smart, funny, and insightful, all at once. Can't let any of that go without mention!

[gkhouston]

68. I respectfully disagree

the man's plenty bright, he's head and shoulders above the rest of the MSM when it comes to having smarts and being willing to use them, and I do admire that, but I'd still put his compassion first (and no, those weren't my words originally). I see plenty of intelligence every day. Compassion's a lot harder to come by and to hold to, especially when you're as smart as he as and doubly aware of all the wickedness in the world.

Gina

[gkhouston]

71. Crispini, you wanted a longer version; are you going to work

on one? This is your friendly neighborhood cat wrangler speaking...

[crispini]

75. Well, do we need to work in all four?

If so I guess I'd just go with:

"Thank you for your" ... etcetera.

Happy Birthday,

from your viewers at Democratic Underground.

(sorry, I don't have the original post in front of me, thus the etcetera.)

Sorry, I'm just a big fan of speaking, or at least writing, in complete sentences. It's the English major in me.....

[crispini]

76. No, that doesn't read well, does it?

"Thank you for your Compassion, Wisdom, Humor and Integrity." -- yick. It's not like we really know him, is it, after all?

How about just "Thank you for your great news coverage." ?

Or just, how about,

"Happy birthday, from your viewers at Democratic Underground"

It has the merit of being EXTREMELY simple. :)

[gkhouston]

78. I originally wanted to go with extremely simple, but

now I'm not sure. Anybody else got an opinion? I've got to get back to work. Others chime in and we'll settle this tonight. Sounds like we're ordering Gold Neat to me, though.

[noamnety]

82. Send a footnote to address the yick factor

sigh. self-delete.

you folks are soooo hard to please!



on edit: That original nonsentence version is a little more like a campaign slogan than a birthday greeting, now that I look at it again. If he ever runs for office, he can use it for yardsigns.

[gkhouston]

83. self-delete

[noamnety]

109. Sorry I was so slow to delete

This whole episode guilted me into finally making the husband's birthday cake. :)

[gkhouston]

110. hope it was a good one. n/t

[noamnety]

113. yeah, it was.

back in October.

God I suck.

[gkhouston]

115. I think you'd better. Tonight. Twice. n/t

[crispini]

84. LOL.

Ok, now the coworkers are looking at me funny. :P

[gkhouston]

85. self-delete

[Miami Liberal]

88. lwfern, that's too funny. : - ) n./t

[bunny planet]

208. That's good,

can't we add snarkiness, I think he knows that's a compliment (especially since he or someone on his staff reads the KOEB thread).

[troubleinwinter]

57. Haaaaatin' the orange.

I still like the gold neat... I think it's elegant! Whatever. Little men & parrots are OK, but he doesn't seem to wear 'unusual' type ties.

At least we certainly suffered over all of it! It's the thought that counts!

If we come down to wanting to take a finalists vote, I will do another picture group for here, but let's not do a general 'poll'... it gets sorta nuts.

[crispini]

67. I agree, no more general polls. nt

[Shopaholic]

73. In-Depth Analysis of KO Ties

Okay--all I have to go from is the pics or video files that I have saved on my harddrive or those on a friend's photobucket website. Here's what my research revealed regarding KO's choice of tie attire:

1-Brown/Tan Stripe tie

2-Red small print (either geometric or floral couldn't tell-very subtle pattern)

3-Grey/Black stripe tie (looks like the cousin to the brown/tan stripe tie)

4-The Gold/bronze tie he wore last night-some thought it was orangey
but it's got a blue, very subtle geometric pattern in it

5-Pale blue/with grey-again in a subtle geometric or floral pattern-the pattern was very subtle so I really couldn't tell what the pattern was on it

6-Grey shiny floral print with blue (again a subtle print)

7-Grey floral print with blue (hate this one because he wears it with the damned light grey suit that must die)

8-Purple tie (looks like it might be stripe on stripe--again, subtle)

9-Tan floral tie--last seen in approximately 2003! It was a really wild print (I posted it earlier--it has not made a recent appearance).

It would seem that he really doesn't not prefer anything really wild on camera, #9 notwithstanding! All the prints were really subtle and even the stripes weren't anything too flashy--no more than two colors and not in a really large stripe pattern either. And now I really have to go back to work or I'm going to be one of the millions unemployed under this president's administration!

[crispini]

80. Girl,

:yourock:

In view of your in-depth historical survey of ties I really do think that Gold Neat might be the best choice.....

[Miami Liberal]

94. Gold Neat is the safest choice. n/t

[Miami Liberal]

72. The greatest f'ing country in the world

New KO blog up now! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

[crispini]

79. Well, I enjoyed the historical review of inaugurals,

However, I for one, with regards to the whole inaugural thing, am metaphorically sticking my fingers in my ears and chanting, "I can't hear you.... lalalalalalalalala!"

God, this is awful; I was depressed for most of November and December and now the inauguration of King Chimpy the Second... :puke: I may have to entirely boycott the news and even the internets tomorrow to avoid sending myself back into the Slough of Despair....

[bettyellen]

97. that's why i almost went to DC again... i thought being around

the DUers + lots of other progressives would help. and that i'd feel a little less passive and whippped.
but it's not to be. i'm going to have to wail to you guys. i'm going to need a shoulder to cry on tommorrow.
anyway... i just realized I have paypal too, and i could actually wrap it and drop it off in seacaucus. this is the can't bake anything for him guilt talking.
i'm a good wrapper. although the wrappping should not be subjected to a poll, it might be nicer than whatever the store does. and then i could write whatever we want on the card.
whatever, unless someone commited and i'm just complicating things. i think asap is important..
and yes, i'm good for #3 gold neat. he'll look great in it and it'll be harder to wear with the lighter suits!

[noamnety]

121. Aaaargh!

Keith, if you are wandering through here, there's no H in Jon Stewart.

(emailed yesterday, ignored.)

[gkhouston]

81. Show of hands: is Gold Neat acceptable if not your dream tie?

I'd like to get this puppy ordered today. Do we remember who volunteered to do the ordering? Was it you, Crispini? If not, I could probably do it later tonight.

[crispini]

89. Yeah, it was me. I'm on it. Gold Neat is acceptable. nt

[gkhouston]

98. Crispini, can you copy down lwfern's footnote before she

wipes it? Assuming she does come back to the computer and wipes it before Keith wanders through here? I was thinking it might be nice to have *some* aspect of this present be unknown to him...

Gina

p.s. I've already written it down if you don't have it.

[troubleinwinter]

90. I've always been for gold neat, except for occasional

love moments for parrots and tiny little men.

Gold Neat for me.

Cuervo Gold, neat.

[crispini]

91. Oh, you just gave me a GREAT poll idea (not tie related). nt

[troubleinwinter]

96. Make mine single malt scotch!!!!!!!

[Miami Liberal]

92. Gold Neat is my choice. n/t

[bettyellen]

107. Gold is good with me too......

[Patsy Stone]

93. Under great duress

but bowing to utilitarian philosophy, ok. bunny may have an issue, have we tried to ask her?

[gkhouston]

95. Bunny said last night that she would grudgingly yield to

gold tie, as you have, although her heart panteth not for its silken threads. I may have gotten the translation wrong, but that's the gist. Her exact words are near the top of this thread under my handle. One of the first things I did was grab her comments from last night since I knew she wouldn't be around today.

G.

[Shopaholic]

99. I'm down with Gold neat.

Unless of course, based on my latest tie analysis we want to go back to the JosABank site and look again in their tie selection (just shoot me now) and pick another choice that might be more agreeable to all of us and not so wild he wouldn't wear it. But if I don't get back to work I'm not going to have a job to be able to afford to buy my own clothes let alone KO's!

http://www.josbank.com/IWCatSectionView.process?IWAction=Load&Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=1540&ViewAll=1

[troubleinwinter]

102. Hahahahah! Now I REALLY understand your screen name!

[Shopaholic]

104. My natural inclination would be to buy him 2 or 3. . .

or 4 or 5 all at once. :evilgrin: Generally speaking, I really hardly ever have a hard time making up my mind about what I want to buy in my real life for myself or others. I'm usually very decisive and quick on these matters. Of course, I also tend to buy in bulk-why get 1 outfit when you can get 3? :evilgrin:

[troubleinwinter]

100. Couple things about "GN"

If ordered tomorrow, it'll ship Fri., two-day, per their site, so would arrive Tues.?

And it is "long".

[Patsy Stone]

101. OK then, can we put in the note

that some of us really don't care for this tie? LOL!!!

:hi: I gotta go.

[troubleinwinter]

103. I doubt it's neccessary...

it WILL say "Democratic Underground", so obviously, there was no total consensus.

[Patsy Stone]

105. LMAO! n/t

[Shopaholic]

106. Amen to that Sister.

We could just include the famous Will Rogers quote on being a Democrat and tell him the same principle applied to picking out this &^^%^&#*@%$^@# tie.

[troubleinwinter]

108. Which one?

Maybe we should have a discussion on this, so we can find a way to disagree with one another? Yes? No?

---Democrats never agree on anything, that's why they're Democrats. If they agreed with each other, they would be Republicans.

---I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!

[bettyellen]

123. i always like this quote: and it sort of applies.....

We don't know what we want, but we are ready to bite somebody to get it.
Will Rogers

[Patsy Stone]

124. Ooh, grrrr! LOL n/t

[bettyellen]

126. ha you can't stay away!!... i'm afraid i'm gonna be glued to DU for all

of Thursday.... I was only going to go to DC to be with really like minded people. fight the good fighters. eeeeek. i will miss em all tommorrow surely. but i'll have some of you guys. and my bottle!

[bunny planet]

176. I can do the gold neat.

[Clark2008]

133. NO.

I absolutely HATE that tie. It looks like a Young Republican.

Sorry. I'd go for ANY of the other ones but that one.

[gkhouston]

138. news flash: anchormen dress like republicans

doesn't mean they think like them.

[Clark2008]

224. News flash

Your attitude is less than desired.

[bunny planet]

173. acceptable but definitely not my dream.

In general I never dream of ties.
Being tied up yes, but ties specifically, no.

[Clark2008]

229. Bunny, thanks

That comment made me smile.

:)

And I needed to smile.

[crispini]

111. Recap of contributors:

seito
catchawave
shopaholic
RevCheesehead
MiamiLiberal
gkhouston
Bunny Planet
Troubleinwinter
Clark2008
cry baby
crispini
bettyellen

Anyone else?

I don't think we've heard from everyone yet on this thread, have we?

[gkhouston]

112. haven't heard from Clark2008. She wanted the orange tie

but knew it would lose to GN. Seito, I believe, wanted to contribute but not select. Bunny's not here; is a reluctant GN supporter; most definitely did not want the orange tie.

[crispini]

116. Rev Cheesehead hasn't checked in either.

I'm thinking we'll have to wait until tonight to finalize it, probably. Especially since we have not succeeded in coming up with a greeting (have we?)

[gkhouston]

118. I'll PM you something. n/t

[Clark2008]

135. Yeah, I knew it would lose, but I cannot state enough

how much I hate the gold.

Sorry. I think it's too plain, too Republican and too ordinary.

Isn't there a blue one we can all agree on? That would match his eyes.

[Patsy Stone]

114. Um, HELLO????? n/t :)

[gkhouston]

117. You rang, your majesty? n/t

[Patsy Stone]

120. LOL n/t

[crispini]

119. Woops, sorry.

I had you on the list at one point, I know I did.... :hi:

Edit: Ok, now we're up to 13. Wow!

[gkhouston]

122. oh, no, it's an unlucky present. The tie is DOOMED, DOOMED... nt

[bettyellen]

125. No, we are going to have more people. you'll see! and if i buy it

tonight and do the wrapping and card, we at least have bought time to firm up the message. Although, you'd have to trust me with the card and wrapping... no polls!!
i think we need to fit in a little bit of snark in the message. don't we?

[Patsy Stone]

127. Much, much snark... n/t

[bettyellen]

128. yes, we need snark appeal.

we must please our master.

[Patsy Stone]

137. LOL

I'm not going to be at the thing, I'm stuck at work and plan to be here for hours. :(

You must drool and :loveya: for me, please... :hi:

[cry baby]

129. Definitely, snark. He'll love that. n/t

[gkhouston]

131. I thought Crispini was doing the buying... and that we deliberately

decided to have the tie sent rather than hand-delivered to avoid the fan-girl "stalker" vibe... wasn't that part of the Friday night hoe-down?

I'm all for snark, which is why I asked lwfern to um, "edit" her message up-thread before someone's long and elegant fingers wander over in this direction...

[bettyellen]

132. okay.... just trying to make sure it gets there.

but i missed the Iwfern snark. is she PM ing it or something?
so, i'll go see if i can find out the message limit from the store.

[gkhouston]

134. No. I grabbed a copy and shipped it to Crispini.

I need to go for now. I'm sure we'll hash out messages more this evening. I sent a tentative full message to Crispi and told her that we could publicly discuss the body of the message tonight but not the footnote. I'll PM the footnote around later on tonight if it feels like it's still going to fit the main message.

[gkhouston]

136. CRISPINI

Please don't burn the message I sent you; I was composing off the top of my head. The footnote I've got on paper; the rest I don't.

on edit: it may suck, but it's somewhere to start.

[bunny planet]

179. sent please, not hand-delivered.

We must remain dignified at all times.

snorf!!

[bunny planet]

170. Patsy of course!!!

[Miami Liberal]

139. Does everyone have a Paypal account?

I don't have an account but I do have a friend who has one. Even though she doesn't get KO's appeal, I'm sure she won't mind doing me the favor. :)

edited to add: I won't be at the meeting tonight, I have a family dinner to attend. Have fun ladies! :hi:

[crispini]

140. They're free. Easy to sign up for! nt

[cry baby]

143. Paypal is fine with me. n/t

:loveya: :loveya:

[bunny planet]

203. I do.

[bettyellen]

141. Okay, I ran a test and we have 360 letters and spaces to work with.

i couldn't find gift wrap options, but since it'll be boxed and hav a message, i'm sure it'll be good enough!

[Shopaholic]

142. One word of caution

We've got to be prepared that even after all of our efforts, KO might not ever wear the tie on the air when he does get it. I worked in TV for several years and I can remember one consultant telling the on-air talent not to wear gifts from fans on air because we didn't want to send them any messages or anything or to directly acknowledge fan contacts other than to respond with the standard "thank you for watching letter" or a publicity photo or the like. And he might even be cautious about wearing it on-air because we'd probably collectively freak out if he did and since the Repugs monitor these boards I can just imagine Sludge or the like getting a hold of our posts and proclaiming, "MSNBC anchorman wears gift from "radical" DU'ers" or some such bullshit. Hate to be a party-pooper, and I still absolutely want to do this, but wanted to make sure to point all of this out so there are no disappointed among us if we never actually see the tie on-air or anything.

[bettyellen]

144. we know how to deal with disappointment, don't ya think?

after tommorrow, it's all cake.

[crispini]

145. Yes, I totally agree.

I thought about this a few days ago, actually. Which I'm quite sure is true for KO since from what I have heard he had a stalker incident. So the probability that he will not wear it on-air, ever, is pretty high.

Which actually makes me think -- although of course we have progressed quite a long way down the tie road -- it does seem a shame that we aren't getting him something that he could actually USE.

Maybe we should get him a mug or something. I know that in my little office-bound coffee-lovin world, one can never have enough mugs. They even have DU mugs in the cafe press store.... the cafe press store mugs are quite nice, I have several.

(Ok, ya'll, don't hit me for this suggestion for a radical change of direction. Ow! Ow! I said don't hit me! Heh heh heh heh heh. It's all about the journey! LOL.)

[Catchawave]

147. Well, Bill wore Monica's.......:}

I'm being silly....and understand your concern. Sounds like the perfect publicity to me !

When's the deadline to order?

I can zap a few dollars to the KOEB treasurer anytime.

Have you guys thought of using DU's donation button (like we did for Kephar's funeral?) Maybe Skinner will help us? It is a DU project, and I'm sure we're all donors, though it would cost each a dollar, is there a fee at Pay Pal?

Sorry for the babble....just thinking aloud.

Also, I'll go along with the majority for the tie selection, as my fav, the blue/gray stripey thing is going to lose anyhow:nopity:

I'll stay tuned for updates...and further instructions....:D

[noamnety]

150. OK, we can make this work - Operation Cry Wolf

We use psyops.

Phase 1: Counterintelligence. Immediately shift to private messaging for tie selection. New selections, new tie.

Phase 2: The red herring. Monday night, the show starts. Once KO appears, first person to see him posts "He's wearing our tie!" Reaction is critical. There must be much (manly) squealing.

Phase 3: Freepers react, incident is blown out of proportion. We unconvincingly deny. They accuse. Eventually video is produced from a year prior, showing the tie is, in fact, an old one.

Phase 4: We repeat this cycle several times, until the freepers lose interest.

Phase 5: He wears the tie.



(Note: this plan will be even better if we buy him a duplicate of a tie he already owns. It will be undetectable.)

[Shopaholic]

152. Lwfern--your former MI aren't you?

Damn, that is one more brilliant plan you've got there. It's guaranteed to get publicity and ratings for our mutual boyfriend! I love it! :bounce:

[noamnety]

163. former MI, yep

Not psyops, though. I trained with some morse code folks for a while, those guys are nuts. (Think bar scene with all of them tapping on their shot glasses)

Hmmmm. We should have done this all in morse.

.. / - .... .. -. -.- / .-- . / ... .... --- ..- .-.. -.. / -.. --- / .. - .-.-.-

[Shopaholic]

168. Okay--so if we ever have to carry out a military operation-

we know who is in charge!

[bear425]

194. I was also thinking that KO might appreciate our gift, however,

he may never wear it on-air for the already mentioned reasons.

However, if he did wear it (wink, wink - if you're watching Keith) we could always keep our delight a secret by using a code word that we could, perhaps, PM to each other in advance... ;)

[bunny planet]

202. oh ok i won't get my hopes up.

[gkhouston]

160. 360... could be tight... let me munge on that... n/t

[crispini]

146. OK, all, I won't be here tonight.

Again. Grrrr. :mad: That pesky life thing again! I'm off to the THE-a-ter, la di dah dah! (Imagine me twirling my parasol, heh.)

Enjoy and float some hearts for me! I'll catcha on the rerun.

And I do think we should chew over Shopaholic's advice before we finalize the decision. (It's all about the PROCESS, right? Hee hee hee.)

[Shopaholic]

148. A mug could be interesting. . .

we know that he likes baseball cards, cigars and pipes. And history. Don't know much more about him besides that though (and that sounds like plenty, actually)! And yeah--you're right-if anyone can handle disappointment, it's this group!

[troubleinwinter]

149. Let's send the tie! It's a BIRTHDAY PRESENT from a group

of viewers, that's all!

[RevCheesehead]

151. How on earth did something simple become so *#@!&? difficult???

My first choice: Orange stripe w/blue.

Little parrots say "hey, baby, what's your sign?"
Gold neat says "welcome to the Marriott."
Little men say "We are not men - we are DEVO."

Gift card:
"Thank you for bringing us laughter along with the news. With admiration from your fans at Democratic Underground."

[Shopaholic]

153. Who is heading up our organized plans????

Where do we stand on Operation Birthday Tie?

[RevCheesehead]

154. Beats the snot out of me!

:shrug:

[gkhouston]

164. If you're at a four-way stop and you don't know whose turn it is

it isn't yours. The tie's getting ordered tonight if I have to order it myself; enough is enough. Crispini and I PM'ed a little on a message; still not firm on that. I liked lwfern's snark from earlier this afternoon but Crispi is concerned that the merchant might goof it up; also she's not sure we should snark someone we don't really know.

Does anybody else care enough to comment? I'm getting a migraine so I'll apologize in advance for my progressively shortening fuse.

Gina

[noamnety]

181. OK. Two footnotes.

1. The original footnote.
2. A second footnote which says "we don't really believe the first footnote, but we didn't want to come off as stalkerish like we've invented an entire personality to go with your new tie."

(possibly a third footnote)
3. Also, be advised that some people don't like this tie, and if it looks like we're gunning for you to get fired and clerk at a Marriott, it's not because we've imagined you as a having a hotel clerk personality.


wait, hang on, now we need:

4. Not that you couldn't handle that job, or that we specifically wouldn't want to see you in a hotel.


hmmmmmm. That might be too long, eh?


Ok, so two ties, two packages, and the first note ends with "continued ..."

[gkhouston]

184. Oh, I am loving this, but if we did it, we'd have to enlist bettyellen

We'd have to order the tie pronto, have it shipped to her and have her take care of the card/message in the meantime and then effect delivery. Too much trouble for the snark??

[noamnety]

190. nononono I was kidding. :)

We'd need Clinton's publisher to edit that puppy down.

[bunny planet]

200. oh lwfern. this post is hysterical!

I'm crying here.

[Clark2008]

217. You know, I don't really recall your being on the initial

end of this, so it's not really your decision to make. I believe it was cripini, bunny and patsy who first started the "tie" conversation, so I will defer to them.

However, I must point out, dear, that you're getting pushy. You're causing alarm bells to go off in several peoples' minds (I have the PMs to prove it, but I will not name names) and if you persist in bossing us around, you might have to order your own tie, anyway.

I hate to be brash and condescending, but throughout this whole thread you have been arrogant in the push of YOUR choices and too aggressive in your missive to co-opt the note. This is supposed to be a group effort, not the Gina effort.

Please take into consideration other peoples' opinions and tastes.

And, if I'm entirely missing the point of your posts, poop on me. I don't think I am, though.

[gkhouston]

227. actually, you are missing the point

I'm just trying to get the tie *ordered*. His birthday's in a week and it takes a nonzero amount of time for things to happen and people are sort of standing around saying, "so are we gonna do something" and I got tired of the indecisiveness and milling around.

I know you liked the orange tie. A lot. Unfortunately, a lot of other people disliked it just as much. I was actually in the process of composing a PM to you suggesting that since the price of the GN tie per person has dropped so much (because of the number of people who are willing to go with that compromise, and because the tie is on sale), *I* would be willing to split the cost of the orange tie with you, if you would like to send him the orange tie, as a "loyal opposition" present. That offer stands, so poop on you. ;)

[Clark2008]

234. It wasn't about the tie, it was the general

attitude.

I know that posting leaves a lot to be desired in the inflection department, but I got the odd sense that you were usurping others whose idea this was (and I wasn't one of them, so I'm kind of a bystander in this whole thing).

And, alas, as a single mother with not a cent of child support in more than two years, I do not have the money to go halfsies on a tie for someone who probably thinks we're all crazy at this point anyway. :crazy:

Your offer is appreciated, however, and poop on me.

I guess when it got to the point where this was NOT fun (as opposed to being really a snarky laugh), I lost my comedic attitude. I don't even know what the note is going to say and can't find it on here.

I had a bad day in child support court (hurry up and wait, hurry up and move the case, AGAIN) and probably shouldn't be making such delicate virtual decisions when real life is such a pisser. I did self delete a post of two as to not drag down the board.

[gkhouston]

I PM'ed you the message a bit ago

I realized at the last minute that I'd forgotten to make my daughter's lunch for tomorrow and then came back and found I hadn't sent anything. Duh! Sorry you had a lousy day in court. My best friend went through a contested divorce several years ago best described as "surreal" so I spent entirely too much time sitting in the back of family court. What a lot of misery washes through that place.

Truth be told, I don't know who originally started the tie idea. I got in on it Friday night, right after the show, and if I'd had any earthly idea I'd still be riding that bronco the following Wednesday while battling a migraine, I probably would have shut down the computer and gone to bed early.

Feel better. Sorry if I made your day harder.

[Miami Liberal]

155. OMG! ROFLMAO!

Little men say "We are not men - we are DEVO"


I just got back from a somber family dinner and this line just cracked me up!!

Thanks Rev, I needed that.

[troubleinwinter]

161. I like the message. I am done with tie-pickin'! I have months

of this kinda stuff to deal with ahead. Daughter (DU lurker) picked the wedding date today, of July 16th. Thanx DU pals for giving me a dry-run the last FIVE freakin' days! Hahahahahah!

She messaged me today and told me to get off DU and deal with the wedding. Pffft. She aint the boss of me.

[bunny planet]

156. I'll contribute, where do I sign up?

[Miami Liberal]

159. crispini is the treasurer

I'm sure she will be around later tonight to give us all the details.:-)

[bettyellen]

162. wasn't the tie was selected... we cannot keep going on like this...

i thought we were going to clench our teeeth and get the gold neat.
i think we have about 24 hours to work on the message and that's it.

[Miami Liberal]

165. Yep, it looks like Keith will be getting the gold neat tie

I thought we were all supposed to meet here tonight and finalize the plans. :shrug:

[troubleinwinter]

166. crispini is gonna grab the bull by the horns and

place the order & collect the contributions.

[bunny planet]

167. Stop me before I shop for ties again.

Linkies to some more tall guy ties. We can do better than that orange tie, and the boring gold one too ladies. This is Keef we're talking about here.

http://www.forzieri.com/usa/deptd.asp?l=usa&c=usa&dept_id=17
The baby pink stripe and the pale yellow with the black stripe are happening.

http://www.forzieri.com/usa/deptd.asp?l=usa&c=usa&dept_id=17&pagina=3
light pinkish one with burgundy thingies on it.

http://www.thesilktiefactory.com/kecotixl1.html

Please stop me anytime, I have no self control. I think it's Keef withdrawal syndrome, I obsessively shop for ties now that I've had to miss the show two nights in a row and tommorrow night too.

I love a pink tie on a snarky guy though. With the dark grey suit and darker shirt. Uh oh, premature floataculation!!!!!

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[gkhouston]

171. Gladly.

#3 will strobe and KO's not gonna wear pink.

[bettyellen]

174. not pink. i think it's funny. this thread will not die.

it's all about the tie.
but i just changed my vote to ABP. anything but the PARROT!

[bunny planet]

177. LOL

[Miami Liberal]

172. He doesn't seem like a pink wearin' kinda guy

Hell, I'm a woman and I don't wear pink. :)

[Shopaholic]

175. I've never seen him wear a pink tie. I love them though-

I wish guys would get in touch with their feminine sides and wear them. But I love pink--it's my favorite color.

I'm turning in early tonight. Y'all decide what to do and let me know what my $$$$ share is and I'm in--whatever.

Goodnight Ladies (and the brave men who hang with us).

And on edit--I'm now obsessed with ties--I keep staring at every tie I see every man on TV wear. I'm sick of ties!

[bunny planet]

183. one more tie.

http://www.forzieri.com/usa/product_view.asp?l=usa&c=usa&dept_id=17&pf_id=fz23023-021&id_valore1=&id_valore2=106&id_valore3=&id_valore4=&id_valore5=

[bunny planet]

178. OK ok ok, I'll go for the gold.

only one of my personalities likes it though.

[gkhouston]

180. okay, who's still up tonight that wasn't around this afternoon?

I want an opinion on lwfern's footnote, but am looking for quick turnaround.

[noamnety]

182. can you message it back to me?

You guys made me delete it, I want to see the specific words again, if that's okay. Maybe a small tweak will leave it the right amount of snarkified.

[gkhouston]

186. done n/t

[bunny planet]

185. I'm still here but was just about to sign off.

What footnote?

[gkhouston]

187. you should have it now n/t

[noamnety]

188. It's back in your hands

for better or worse. :)

[gkhouston]

193. ping pong, back to you with a minor tweak n/t

[bettyellen]

192. me me me i want to read the footnote...

[gkhouston]

195. check your msgs n/t

[bear425]

189. Wait, wait. I will contribute! I just wasn't around today.

Had to take my mom to appointments all day and do dinner and all. Let me know what to do, please.

[crispini]

197. Will do, I'll PM you paypal info after I've ordered it.

Since there are 14 of us at this point it shouldn't be more than about $3 or so.

[troubleinwinter]

191. Hey, kids, I got a new idea... a sorta long-term idea

what if we sent Democratic Underground coffee mugs to certain people who stand for our principles with a thank you note?

It would have to be carefully done, to indicate that it was a thank you from a group of individual members, NOT officially DU. Even at that, we'd probly have to ask approval of the Admins, I think.

I doubt there are restrictions on public officials accepting small gifts like this? I dunno... something to check.

But if it is deemed all OK, it would be a nice way to acknowledge the people who work FOR us, and maybe get the DU name into the offices of staffers and help show people that DU is a power of people.

What do ya think? Hey, betcha John Conyers could use a nice mug! And Arnebeck! And Boxer! And Tubbs Jones! And...

[crispini]

198. Now THAT is brilliant.

And they're cheap, too, it wouldn't take much.

[crispini]

196. Ok, I'm baaaaaack! wassup peeps?

I guess I need to go read the thread eh? :) I just got here...

[gkhouston]

199. baby update on the message; will PM you n/t

[Miami Liberal]

225. gkhouston, can you pm the message to me too, please. n/t

[gkhouston]

232. look for it n/t

[Miami Liberal]

233. Love it!

Snarky, snarky, snarky.

[sparky_in_ma]

201. Good choice on the Gold Neat

:thumbsup:

[troubleinwinter]

204. Good enough for another round of drinks?

[sparky_in_ma]

206. One Caberret coming up

:toast:

[gkhouston]

207. wow, you do a floor show, too? n/t

[sparky_in_ma]

209. No....but I will do Kareoke

after a few beers.:evilgrin:

[gkhouston]

213. please don't, unless you can actually sing.

I might be forced to break out the barfing smiley and that's against my personal standards... isn't it terrible how alcohol just reduces our inhibitions to rubble? Or perhaps that's what you're counting on when you offer the booze so freely to all these helpless waifs...? :evilgrin:

[sparky_in_ma]

219. Me?

O8) I get better looking and more intelligent the more others drink. I have almost never taken advantage of the situation.

Sing? Only can do the real low parts, like the oak ridge boys, the guy who sung 'Elvira".

[gkhouston]

241. almost never? Yeah right.

Good about the low parts, though. Can't stand tenors.

[troubleinwinter]

211. Oh, you IS good!!!!

[sparky_in_ma]

212. : )

But ask me what I had for lunch, a complete blank. :)

[gkhouston]

214. like as not, you worked through lunch and forgot to eat it n/t

[troubleinwinter]

221. It's called 'priorities'.

What you had for lunch is in the past.

What the ladies preferences are is a priority.

[crispini]

210. Drinks! I'm there! nt

[gkhouston]

215. Crispini, are you down with the message?

can you take care of the order before you get plastered? Bunny and lwfern aren't fussed about the snark and I don't think the current format is as confusing as the first version. And I think that's all that needs to be said on the subject. Let's do it quick before someone else comes up with another idea!!!

[crispini]

220. Never got it! Can you resend? nt

[bettyellen]

226. i sent it to you.... i love what he's done to the condi story....

sorry i'm watching it now. was too distracted before.
the koppel was awful it bummed me out.

[crispini]

239. Awesome, I just got it dear.

Ta! I'll pm everyone who wants to contribute with the final amount, either later tonight if I get ambitious to send all those PMs, or first thing in the AM!

[gkhouston]

240. I sent you one last PM of caution n/t

[troubleinwinter]

228. Whatever ya come up with, I hope it has LOTS & LOTS of footnotes!

:beer: :toast: :crazy: :thumbsup: :+

[sparky_in_ma]

216. What'll you have?

Good story. I worked an open bar for a friend's anniversary party. I am NOT a bartender but I'd do it for free. People started to get impatient because I was slow. Well....I started double and triple shotting drinks. It got real funny real quick. People where so wasted, we ended up calling their kids to come pick them up. That was fun, watching mom's and dad's getting the "look" from their kids.

:smoke:

[gkhouston]

218. Hey! Don't serve her yet! I need her! Bad barman!!! n/t

[Clark2008]

223. Self-delete

This has become Not fun.

Sorry - my attitude is getting a little grated.

[bettyellen]

230. what's wrong? i watched nightline and it really got to me...

but im feeling a little better now.
trying to suck up all the snarkiness i can get....
feel better clark!

[Clark2008]

235. Just a bad day in real life land

I'll spring back after a good night's sleep.

Which I need to go do.

[bettyellen]

237. keef is cheering me up....

sorry you had a bad day..... i'm gonna have one tommorrow.
:sleep:

[Clark2008]

238. I did have the presence of mind to do this, however

http://www.geocities.com/scoop1_2/

Did you remember to black out your webpages in protest. :)

[Miami Liberal]

242. Nice!

If I had a webpage, I would've done the same.

[bettyellen]

222. That is some pretty heavy breathing.... i did enjoy that

darth tater impersonation......

i think the message is great. it has just the right kinda snark,
oh, i need a drink too.
:beer:
ahhh.

[Miami Liberal]

231. loved the heavy breathing too

It was worth staying up just for that.:-)

[bettyellen]

236. i didn't get enough of the snark earlier....

so i'm going to have to watch it all.....

[gkhouston]

243. Crispini, just sent you another PM; going to bed now. nt

[noamnety]

244. Wait! What about THIS tie?

(just kidding)

[Shopaholic]

245. Not funny!

I'm telling you I've looked at ties so much I'm now obsessed with men's necks!

[gkhouston]

246. no, today's theme may possibly be "length of snark"

Clark2008 PM'ed me a suggested alteration to the message just before bedtime last night and I liked it. Woke up this morning, realized the damned wordcount program I've been using doesn't count BLANKS and we're probably over the limit unless you want the message to look really squinched up and ugly.

But Clark's snark fermented in my brain while I was sleeping and I dashed down a much longer message, with about 8 footnotes. I've PM'ed it to Crispini, who may or may not have already ordered the tie with the shorter message. If Crispini doesn't slaughter me and is open to the possibility of considering a longer snark (which would, in turn, necessitate the cooperate of bettyellen) it could be a whole new chapter. Not that this quite rates a meeting of the DUDQ.

And yes, I've been noticing neckties wherever I go. So glad we didn't decide to send floaty-heart boxers... then I'd be thinking about men's underwear all the time!

[troubleinwinter]

247. Soooooo.... when do we get to see the message???

[gkhouston]

248. check your inbox n/t

[Shopaholic]

249. I'm glad we didn't get that personal either--

LOL--I think sending boxers might have been a tad too personal!!!

[noamnety]

250. PM me with it!

I promise not to provide additional input, I just wanna see. :)

[gkhouston]

251. Oh, hell, I thought I had...

let me check my "sent" box... and you check your "in" box in just a minute...

[noamnety]

252. LOL

:)