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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:42 AM
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"LOST" Last night's episode!!
Okay, so all these crazy things are ALL hallucinations. I'm SURE of it. The POLAR bear? He's in a cartoon drawn by the daddy.

The dead bird? In a book.

The brother hallucinating about his sister?
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Lavender Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:44 AM
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1. dammit dammit dammit
My roommate is addicted to American Idol so I can't watch Lost anymore! :cry:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:47 AM
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4. Are the new episodes of American Idol going to air on Weds?
I hope they don't do that. I recorded LOST and watched AI live last night, but I'm not going through that hassle every week. AI will lose to LOST if I have to pick.
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Lavender Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:48 AM
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9. Not sure
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:01 PM
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11. Honey YOU gotta get another teevee.
That's all there is to it.
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fluffernutter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:45 AM
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you could be right.
what's up with Claire just popping up out of the woods out of the blue? something to do with the diary?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:45 AM
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2. but...
The bird was before they even got to the island... from what the father said, it happened often around Walt.

And the brother hallucinated because Locke gave him some drug.

And... the dad didn't draw the comic, Walt found that... the dad drew the cards and letters they were looking at together.


Is next week's show a repeat? The clips they showed at the end all seemed old...
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cags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:46 AM
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3. I think they are all already dead, and working out unfinished business
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jjmalonejr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:48 AM
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8. That's my take on it!
I agree...the island is the space between life and death.
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:47 AM
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5. I think the dead bird was revealing that the kid has something mystical or
strange about him. Like Carrie (remember that movie) like he makes things happen by giving it energy. The brother hallucinating about his sister was invoked by some herbal LSD that whats his face put on his wound. The polar bear ... you could be right, it could be drawn by the dad, since it was revealed that he draws pictures all the time and had been sending them to his kid.
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cmf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:48 AM
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6. I don't think they're hallucinations
It seems as though Walt has some sort of power where he can conjure up things through his mind. It's obviously unintentional and he can't really control it yet. Although when Locke was teaching Walt how to throw the knife, it seems as though he will eventually be able to control it. I think Locke has picked up on the boy's power. Some people think it was Walt's power that brought the plane down - he didn't want to go to the US.
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motely36 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:48 AM
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7. I don't know what to think, but I am enjoying it
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 11:50 AM by motely36
Next weeks does look like a rerun. :mad:
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m_welby Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:57 AM
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10. not 'hallucinations'...
monsters from the id !! haven't any of you seen forbidden planet ?

Each of them are creating they're own monsters. they're darkest fears and aspirations are coming to life. Why do you think locke can walk when he was a paraplegic before the crash? there a many examples/clues. The invisible monsters are a dead giveaway, I thought I'd see 'robbie' step out from behind a tree any second.
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:04 PM
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12. They all went there with a fear of polar bears?
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m_welby Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:20 PM
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16. not all of them, just one
only one person's id would be required to 'create' the monster, once it's alive anyone can be destroyed by it.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:06 PM
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13. You're spot on about that.... this is a purgatory type of place where
each are facing their demons....
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MostlyLurks Donating Member (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:53 PM
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14. My meaningless interpretation
For all of the following, please forgive my horrifying recollection of character names (except for Locke, because Terry O'Quinn DEMANDS that you remember his character's name).

I've been thinking lately that some of the characters are the "creators":
Main-character-guy, who is the physical healer and therefore, in a sense, the creator of the physical. He's also the one who lead the move to the caves and the creation of a "new world".
Locke, who has shamanistic quality and is therefore the creator of the mental. He seems to be able to change people's outlooks by administering pithy insights and the occassional blow to the head.

They will be set against the "destroyers". The most obvious candidate (up until last night) was Sawyer, but I think they've laid the groundwork for two "unintentional" destroyers:
"freckles", who "killed the man she loved". I read this as a note that she destroys whatever she touches, even if she doesn't intend to. Kind of like she is indirectly responsible for the death of the marshall who caught her (because if she hadn't gone to Australia, he wouldn't have had to go there..., she almost got her farmer friend in Australia killed, etc.). So she destroys without desire to do so: bad results out of good/neutral intentions (by the by, that's a decent capsule description of the anti-Christ).

The little kid, who they seem to be intimating is capable of conjuring, is the other. In his case, he might have the intention of destruction (I think the bird thing was a pretty clear sign of that) but not the knowledge that he's actually capable of it. That's why he's a kid - kids lack impulse control and, if they had the power, we'd all be dead at some point. What makes them largely manageable is that they don't have means to follow through. But you give a kid the latent ability to form up whatever stuff he wants, and you've got trouble. So he has intent to destroy but not the knowledge that he's doing so.

Additionally, I think there's something to be said for the fact that both "creators" (Locke and main-character-guy) moved to the caves: creating their world. Meanwhile freckles stayed on the beach, rejecting the "new world" and preferring, instead, a locale related to death, etc. Didn't the kid want to stay on the beach but his dad moved them to the caves?

If that kind of sorry-ass metaphysical idea is grafted onto it, it makes sense that Main-character-guy and freckles have gotten close because their creator/destroyer castes are are opposing (good intentions/good results v. good intentions/bad results) and that Locke and the kid would pair up because they have opposing dictates as well (Locke's abilty to create "productive hallucinations/realities" v. the kid's ability to create "destructive hallucinations/realities".

All the other characters are beginning to act as followers to one of the four - we can already see that Locke is developing a little cult and freckles has Sawyer. I would expect that this teaming up will continue throughout season 1, possibly with some wildcard characters who will rebel against both sides (Samir and Sawyer, my guess). Then maybe in season 2 we start to see a little "Lord of the Flies" type of conflict emerging.

At the very least, it's interesting the way each character seems to have a foil in some other character, for example Samir and Sawyer are both criminals, but Samir's criminal acts were "legal". Contrastingly, Samir is ashamed over his "legal" crimes while Sawyer is basically unrepentant for his illegal crimes.

But then again, maybe the air ducts are pumping in hallucinogens today and I'm super wasted.

Anyway, "Lost" is my new favorite show because all the different interpretations seem legit and yet...not quite right. I just hope it doesn't devolve into ridiculous plot-spaghetti like my beloved X-Files eventually did. I will be forever pissed if this series slides quietly into cancellation without a chance to resolve itself.

Mostly

PS Anybody down with the interpretation that only half of the characters are actually real - like maybe the survivors "lost" some part of themselves, and now their spiritual selves are roaming the island while their corporeal selves are elsewhere on the island? Lime maybe half - the weird half - of what we're watching is a dream-state or consciousness projection while the "real" survivors are asleep on the beach. So many cool possibilities.
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m_welby Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:15 PM
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15. nice interpretation! I like it but...

Somehow it seems too intelligent for tv. Too many ideas of depth. pretty cool thoughts though.
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MostlyLurks Donating Member (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 02:15 PM
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17. Thanks, but...
My interpretation/idea is completely dwarfed by some of the speculation here: http://www.swedishpoet.com/lostindex.html Take a look at the page re: hermeneutics of Lost.

The theory I posted here seems to follow somewhat with what's being called the "Stand" theory, and most people seem to dislike it as too simplistic. However, I don't think my idea that there are creators and destroyers is inherently tied up in a good v. evil scenario as posited by the Stand angle.

If you like reading speculative interpretation, take a look at the link above, there's some really interesting ideas presented. I'm not getting much work done today.

Mostly
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