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Fri Jan-21-05 02:21 PM
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Have I made it clear yet how much I hate Prog Rock? |
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I wouldn't want my opinion to be ambiguous on the subject.
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:22 PM
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1. I was a little uncertain |
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But your unequivocal condemnation of Rick Wakeman on Ice made it clear. Yep. :hi:
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:24 PM
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4. Glad to be of service, ma'am. |
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:23 PM
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2. believe me, you're not the only one. rush, dream theater, yes, and all |
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that other crap annoys me infinitely more than do ashley simpson and her ilk...
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:26 PM
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6. I think it's the self-satisfied pomposity of it. |
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:28 PM
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11. exactly. i dislike a lot of bands for being shitty (i.e. ashlee simpson |
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good charlotte, etc...) but i DESPISE the band who are so utterly convinced of their own musical superiority that they feel the need to put out "songs" that are nothing more than obscure noodling with "lyrics" over them that they feel are "deep", when they are really nothing more than shitty lyrics because the band can't write anything truly meaningful...
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:29 PM
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13. Self-satisfied pomposity? |
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We're talking prog here, not Styx. :-)
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:33 PM
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18. If you look for 'self satisfied pomposity' in the dictionary... |
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you'll find the grinning face of Rick Wakeman.
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:36 PM
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21. and I thought we were the party of tolerance. :-) n/t |
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:41 PM
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24. Not me - I'm Canadian. ;-) |
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:48 PM
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you gave us RUSH!? And you dare blasphemy at the altar of prog?
On second thought, you also gave us Bryan Adams and William Shatner too... Damn you not-easily stereotyped Canadians!
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Fri Jan-21-05 03:08 PM
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:23 PM
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3. Perhaps we should start a "Haters of Prog Rock" group? |
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:28 PM
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9. It would certainly be popular, thankfully. |
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:26 PM
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as I believe many homophobes have homosexual desires that they cannot deal with; I suspect that you, Mr Tyler, are deep down a fan of progressive rock, but that you cannot deal with it.
I believe that buried deep within your subconscious, you have an unfulfilled desire to own lots of double-album LPs that are comprised of 25 minute songs about aliens and hobbits. :P
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:27 PM
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7. Yep, he should just face the truth. |
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I hear he keeps a copy of "Tarkus" in a secret drawer. ;)
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:29 PM
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12. I have the carcass of Tarkus in a secret drawer. |
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:28 PM
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:32 PM
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17. The first step towards recovery for any patient |
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is admitting that he's sick. We have a support group who can help you through this.
:D
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:35 PM
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:43 PM
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We have a special 12 tone support group moderated by gaunt German youth wearing granny glasses named Dieter. The first tone on the road to recovery lies in accepting Rich Wakeman as your savior while listening to the special extended remix of Tales From Topographic Oceans.
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:27 PM
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8. Some of it is excusable. |
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I won't cite specific bands 'cuz I'm in no mood to get dogpiled, but there are worthy groups that can be cherry-picked out from the otherwise irredeemably horrid genre.
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:30 PM
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14. RUSH LOVER! RUSH LOVER! RUSH LOVER! |
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:30 PM
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15. I don't know where to draw the line. |
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Peter Gabriel?
Fripp?
Eno?
Bowie?
All have had their feet in the Prog Rock camp.
:shrug:
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:31 PM
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The way I look at it - yes Gabriel and Fripp do, Eno may have links, but I don't see Bowie as in any shape or form Prog - in fact I consider him the antithesis. Prog is basically the over-complication of a simple form in order to demonstrate technical proficiency. Eno doesn't do that - he's deceptively simple.
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:36 PM
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20. So its OK for me to love Bowie? |
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Edited on Fri Jan-21-05 02:43 PM by Revolutionary_Acts04
Because I do love him. :7
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:39 PM
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Bowie is probably one of the most if not THE most influential musicians of the past 35 years. Personally I don't think he gets enough recognition for that.
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:41 PM
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25. Excellent. I very much agree with you. |
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Bowie doesn't get enough recognition. :(
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Fri Jan-21-05 03:02 PM
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:43 PM
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26. All reasonable people do. |
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:49 PM
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33. I suspect that Bowie is more an Art Rocker. |
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But I don't think that even he would reject the idea that at times he's been influenced by Prog, at least a little.
I don't think he'd ever reject any idea. He's quite the chameleon.
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:59 PM
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37. And yet, we're still denied that Country Album. |
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Fri Jan-21-05 03:30 PM
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46. But Bowie has performed a C&W version of "Scary Monsters"..... |
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And...let's not forget who played keyboards on Space Oddity, Ziggy Stardust and Hunky Dory.......
Rick Wakeman.
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Fri Jan-21-05 03:53 PM
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49. Yes - that only makes his decline the more tragic. |
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Fri Jan-21-05 04:47 PM
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52. We wouldn't care about him if he couldn't play. |
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He obviously could - the shame is he had no sense of what his talents were best suited to. If he was untalented it wouldn't be half as annoying (I'm talking to you, Jean Michel Jarre).
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Fri Jan-21-05 04:49 PM
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53. You'll probably cringe but.......... |
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When I saw him play the "Roundabout" solo live.........BEHIND HIS BACK......I kinda dug it.
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Fri Jan-21-05 04:50 PM
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I have owned a Celtic Frost album, in the past.
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:57 PM
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Looks to me like you chose a definition of prog that guaranteed that you wouldn't like it, or that excused a previous antipathy.
Specifically, there are reasons to over-complicate other than to show off your awesome chops, like because what you're trying to say requires complication. As Frank Zappa said, "Sometimes you can't write a chord ugly enough to express your feelings about the government."
So, let's judge prog rock the same way we judge other stuff: does it communicate? Is the message appropriate to the form? And is it a message worth receiving?
I'll agree with you about Rick Wakeman-- the Arthurian legend on ice was an execrable idea. Wakeman studied the virtuoso classical piano repertoire, all that arpeggio-laden twaddle that I refer to as "lace doily music," and that's the aesthetic he brings to anything.
But his bandmates Jon Anderson and Chris Squire were harmony singers who heard Stravinsky and wanted to think of a way they could sing harmony to something as monumental as the Firebird Suite, so they came up with things like "Roundabout" and "Heart of the Sunrise," which-- despite a tendency toward excess ornamentation, much of it contributed by Mr. Wakeman-- definitely rock. In fact "Heart of the Sunrise" is an appropriate message for right now, as we face the chill of four more years of Bush and need music to gird our loins by. And a simpler version of the song wouldn't have been able to both admit the cognitive dissonance involved and nevertheless convey the ultimate message of hope, and I think that makes it more useful (for my purposes) than, say, "White Riot."
You don't have to like prog rock, but you can't say it's useless.
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Fri Jan-21-05 03:00 PM
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It's useless. It has no use.
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Fri Jan-21-05 03:10 PM
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43. If you're gonna argue on that basis |
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then I think redqueen speaks for me in these matters.
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:39 PM
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22. Fuck you, you elitist bastard! |
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:48 PM
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My dear, Prog Rock is the most elitist art form known to man.
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:52 PM
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Still... fuck you anyway. :hi:
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Fri Jan-21-05 03:02 PM
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40. Fuck you very much, ma'am. |
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Fri Jan-21-05 03:09 PM
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OK, I'm not gonna say what I was gonna say. Damn these new rules! ;)
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:53 PM
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...haters of prog-rock must be the greatest elitists of all!
Consider yourself above it, do ya? Congratulations.
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Fri Jan-21-05 03:25 PM
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:43 PM
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27. does Yes and King Crimson count as prog rock? |
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follow up question: do you play music?
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:44 PM
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King Crimson were the best of the bunch, but I don't care much for them. I like Fripp, the rest can go to hell.
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Fri Jan-21-05 03:20 PM
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44. i accept, agree and chime in on all prog-rock criticism.... |
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....yet.
ok.....i own The Yes Album, Fragile, Moving Pictures, 2112, Hold Your Fire, In the Court of the Crimson King, The Kick Inside, Never for Ever, The Dreaming, Hounds of Love.....and the list goes on for a bit.
i loathe myself for liking these albums. (the rush albums i keep hidden when guests come over). on the outside i claim to be a guitar-pop geek boy wearing my XTC/Ramones/Talking Heads/Bowie/Pavement/Game Theory charm bracelets proudly.......but when the sun goes down, and i'm all alone with my headphones on.........i crank up Close to the Edge and slip into an self-important, pretentious, over-produced coma.
i have no excuse for myself.
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Fri Jan-21-05 03:32 PM
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47. Same here. Except....... |
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for Rush. I would never listen to that. :evilgrin:
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Fri Jan-21-05 03:35 PM
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Bunch of self-involved twats!
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Fri Jan-21-05 03:54 PM
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50. Oh, they're worse than Prog Rock. |
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Fri Jan-21-05 05:54 PM
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55. What have I wrought upon the lounge? |
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Oh the humanity!
Well, at least we've found something we can all hate -- Oasis.
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Fri Jan-21-05 05:55 PM
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56. Nah - it's all part of an ongoing competition - you can join if you like. |
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What Supposedly Innocuous Subject Can You Make A Flamewar From?
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Fri Jan-21-05 05:58 PM
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Hell, someone could say Oreos suck and there would probably be a howl of outrage.
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Fri Jan-21-05 05:59 PM
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60. That's the beauty of the Lounge. |
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If only I didn't know you're all talk and no action.
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Fri Jan-21-05 05:57 PM
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57. I kinda gathered that prog wasn't your thing... |
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Back when you were still Screaming Lord Byron...
..and I was sporting a YES avatar.
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Fri Jan-21-05 05:59 PM
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59. Who's Screaming Lord Byron? |
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Fri Jan-21-05 06:00 PM
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61. That Canadian dude you claim to have killed! |
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Didn't I shoot him in Reno?
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