Is the term "Gay Republican" an oxymoron?

[Seabiscuit]

Just saw a documentary on "Log Cabin Republicans" on Trio TV, a new cable channel:

http://www.triotv.com/gay_republicans/

Some gay democrats who met some of them commented that it wasn't exactly a pleasant experience, and one noted that being gay and a republican is like being a jewish nazi, while a black man noted that it's like being an African-American wanting to join the KKK.

One Log Cabin Republican towards the end of the show referred to the "psychosis" of their group, another member came right out and said the term "gay republican" is an oxymoron.

Interestingly, a majority of the delegates in this group felt they were manipulated into supporting Bush in 2000, but by bringing in the right-wing KKKristian groups during his administration and in his 2004 campaign and supporting a ban on gay marriage, he had betrayed them. As a result, the group as a whole refused to endorse Bush's nomination at the Republican convention last summer.

Whaddya think?

[CatholicEdHead]

1. Economic Conservatives

is what most of them really are. That is what draws them to the GOP (yes I know the GOP is not really economic conservative anyway).

It is the social conservative fundies who are going on the offensive to kick them out.

[Seabiscuit]

5. Interestingly, the die-hard Bush supporters in the documentary

who have been Log Cabin Republicans for years all clearly placed their personal ambitions (and their delusion that the Bush team would further them) above their gayness. This group, which is now a minority of Log Cabin Republicans, is now infighting with those who refuse to support Bush any more.

[Seabiscuit]

22. Well, I'm a lifelong "fiscal conservative" and lifelong Democrat.

Balancing budgets is a first priority to me. After all, I run my own business and my family's budget and know the realities involved.

Social service spending is a second - it embodies the purpose of government.

Military/security issues is a distant third. We've overspent by huge amounts for the past 40 years. This is where most of the budget waste lies.

Tax relief for the rich/big corporate interests has historically proven to be a fraudulent giveaway to supporters - it has *never* produced economic prosperity. The Reagan/Bush I "trickle-down" economics/tax policy was a disaster. Clinton reversed it and produced the most prosperous economy in our history. Now with Bush II's reinstatement of the worn-out "trickle-down" fraud, the economy's been a disaster for 4 years.

Democrats are the fiscal conservatives today.

I don't understand any gay man or woman voting for Bush. It's incomprehensible to me on every level.

[theshadow]

2. Not any more than "Moderate Republican" is.

The wing nuts are running the party, but that doesn't mean that there aren't dissidents who share some GOP philosophies. No different than some in the Dem party (except Zell, who's gone totally DINO, if not insane).

[Biased Liberal Media]

15. Stupid question...it's bugging me but what does DINO stand for?? n/t

[Wapsie B]

17. Democrat in name only.

Think Zell Miller or Holy Joe.

[Biased Liberal Media]

19. Ahh, thank you for the explanation. n/t

[terrya]

3. With the current state of the Republican party.,...you bet it is.

Although, sometimes, I wonder about some Democrats and their committment to gay issues...a former President comes to mind.

But if you think "gay republicans" is an oxymoron...there are African-American gay republicans. Believe it or not.

[JohnKleeb]

4. what about poor african american gay republicans

I know what president youre talking about, I cant believe he told Kerry to do that, I have more respect for Kerry than I do him.

[Seabiscuit]

6. Imagine a gay Sammy Davis Jr. as a Log Cabin Republican:

a gay/jewish/black Republican.

Actually, he was straight, and I think he supported Nixon, but I doubt he would ever have supported Bush. He'd be a democrat by now.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

8. Sammy was a HUGE Nixon supporter... he would be behind the

** cabal all the way.

He was a tool of the powerful, and he loved every minute of it.

[Seabiscuit]

11. He imagined he was paving the way for black entertainers of the future

He just stepped way over the line. Very talented, not particularly politically astute.

[Seabiscuit]

21. If her were alive today, his mission would be accomplished and he would

have nothing to do with the Bush cabal, IMHO.

He was a good man, just politically naive at the time. He meant well, and *did* pave the way for black entertainers, especially in Las Vegas. He was just oversensitive to the "political correctness" of his times.

Nixon is one thing. I can understand someone like Sammy Davis Jr. wanting to be loyal to a president at that time in history.

But the Bush regime's agenda is entirely another thing. I don't think he would condone the Iraq war Bush started. Or Bush's attacks on medicare, social security, gays, education, the environment, trial lawyers, tax giveaways to rich corporations, etc.

Remember, he felt indebted to Frank Sinatra, a staunch Kennedy supporter (until Frank felt betrayed by the Kennedys as a result of the mafia ties - Giancanna's girlfriend, etc.).

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

26. I can dig that, but he was always insecure aboout his own talent

and needed powerful people to play with to make himself feel real.

I am not saying he was a bad man, just willingly blind, just like many of our countrymen are right now.

I postulate he would be one of them.

[terrya]

7. He signed DOMA...and Kerry was one of only 6 to vote against it.

And, I think that privately, Kerry supports same-sex marriage. It's the third rail in politics right now.

[JohnKleeb]

10. I thought it was more than that

Yes, I think privately he does too. He's a great dem when it comes to GLBT rights, one of the best we got in the congress. I wrote an editoral btw with my pragmatic view for gay rights which is national civil unions with it being up to churches deciding to marry gay couples or not, but a civil union is totally equal to straight marriage.

[hickman1937]

13. The third rail is actually keeping America white.

Abortion, and same sex marriage, are the excuses that repukes give their fundy base to hide behind. They've been allowed to redefine morality, and I'm sick of it.

[Maven]

14. Hear, hear

I can't believe Clinton did that either--actually wait a minute, I CAN believe it, because he's the guy who signed DOMA and put Don't Ask Just Persecute into effect. Made me like Kerry that much more for telling him to take it someplace else.

[sundog]

9. no, a "gay repub" is just a moron

:P

[Seabiscuit]

12. A "moron" deprived of "oxy" - gen?

[sundog]

16. yes, need some oxy cleaner in their brains

[Guaranteed]

18. It's more redundant than anything.

So many are closeted homosexuals. They protest WAY too much.

OBSESSED with homosexuality.

[Seabiscuit]

23. All the gays I know are Democrats/Greens. They have learned to

despise closet cases. And thus the Log Cabin bunch as well.

[Moloch]

20. I'm sorry I missed that.

Unfortunately no, there are many gay republicans. There is a strong undercurrent of materialism that infects the gay community.

Having the nicest car, the nicest clothes etc. is very important to a lot of gay people. It's a bit like high school at some gay bars. Truly disgusting.

The attitude seems to be 'fuck the world, I'm rich and so I will vote republican"

[Seabiscuit]

24. This undoubtedly is part of the gay community, but I really think

that voting Republican is anathema to most gays today.

[Seabiscuit]

25. Know what? I'm straight and rich and have never voted Republican.

Maybe it's because I spent most of my life poor. I just became successful later in life, but would never compromise my principles. Maybe the wealthy young people just don't know any better.