Q: Why does Jesus hate Social Security?

[BeatleBoot]

Bush is the Religious Right's kinda guy.

Why would Jesus hate Social Security?

[tuvor]

1. You're assuming that Jesus and the religious right

have something in common.

[Lerkfish]

2. he doesn't. Bush does.

and Bush is not the religious right's kinda guy so much as Bush uses the kneejerk leanings of the religious right to get selected.

your problem is jumping from that to Jesus hating social security.

look, let's look at it this way:

A: The religious right sometimes overlook the actual teachings of Jesus in favor of their own biases and prejudices.
B: Some in the religious right will vote for any candidate that is against abortion and gay marriage, Regardless of anything else that candidate may be for or against.
C: The neocons and republicans know that about the religious right.
D: The neocons use so-called "moral value" issues to get elected.
E: The neocons have other agendas beside the "moral value" issues.
F: They push those agendas, but as long as they continue to address "B" above, it doesn't matter.
G: Jesus isn't even part of this whole process.

[lady lib]

3. Oh, for Pete's sake he was being sarcastic!

For that matter, why does Jesus hate Sponge Bob?

[Lerkfish]

5. sorry, sarcasm doesn't always translate in this medium.

[lady lib]

6. No problem

The right's use of Jesus to sell whatever they're trying to sell at the moment gets tiresome. Tiresome, dammit, tiresome!!
:D

[richmwill]

4. Because...

...Jesus hates the elderly and the handicapped, if he were here he would scream at them to get off their lazy asses and get a job. (Scary to think like repubs even for a second- my blood ran cold as I typed that)

[Floogeldy]

7. Because the people should have the freedom and liberty

The freedom and liberty to do what they want with their own money. The freedom to keep your own earnings. The liberty to decide. The freedom to choose. Freedom from government. Liberty from despotism. Freedom, liberty, freedom, liberty, freedom, liberty, freedom, liberty. My job, is to spread liberty and freedom to the parts of the world that does not have freedom and liberty. Be free. Be liberated. Have the liberty and freedom. Liberty, freedom, liberty, freedom, liberty, freedom. Freedom, liberty, freedom, liberty, freedom, liberty.

[Blue-Jay]

8. Because he's dead?

When you're dead, you can't cash in.

[shadesofthesun]

9. *sigh*

The lack of critical thought on this board is frightening at times. To say that Jesus's teachings advocated a massive government program rather than compassion from individuals is to display your own ignorance of the New Testament.

[Floogeldy]

10. Why don't you answer the question?

Why would Jesus hate social security?

[shadesofthesun]

15. that wasn't the point

I was making a reference to the implication that anti-social security equals anti-elderly or anti-Christian.

[lazarus]

11. Heh

Which part of the New Testament do you want to play with? I can likely find justification for any position you could possibly want to hold in the Big Book o' Myths.

To say that eliminating a social safety net, knowing that it will condemn millions to poverty and early death, is in any way Christian is just bizarre.

[shadesofthesun]

13. um, no.

"To say that eliminating a social safety net, knowing that it will condemn millions to poverty and early death, is in any way Christian is just bizarre."

Do you have to be a socialist to be a Democrat? One would think that the abundance of evidence of the failure of government programs to prevent poverty would wisen some folks up. And the Bible teaches personal responsibility... look it up.

[lazarus]

23. You're right

And all the police and law enforcement haven't prevented crime, so let's just get rid of them, too.

What sort of personal responsibility should I have? I'm permanently disabled, unable to work. I'm 39. Tell me what sort of magic savings plan I could have set up that would have enabled me to set aside enough money to cover insurance and living expenses for, oh, let's say another 40 years. How much personal responsibility do you think I should take? And how about my daughter? We can just turn her out into the street, too, since her dad's become disabled.

Or even better, we can just get rid of those nasty government regulations and let her work in a factory like the good old days. Or I could just sell her into slavery, something else the Bible teaches. Look it up.

[Blue-Jay]

12. I agree!

Everyone knows that Jesus was a libertarian. The "sermon on the mount" was a massive distortion perpetuated by the Aramaic Liberal Media, damn them.

[Floogeldy]

14. Let's cut to the chase

Bush is against social security because he can only think in terms of black and white. Social security means the government takes money from business owners to contribute to the retirement of their employees. Bush thinks this is socialism and that it is, in conception and theory, "EVIL."

I think 99% of us here realize that it doesn't have a fucking thing to do with Jesus.

[shadesofthesun]

17. fact checking time

before you ruin your credibility by saying things like "Bush is against social security," you'd do well to pay attention to facts, rather than bumper stickers.

cuts from social security by Bush so far: 0 dollars
proposed cuts from social security by Bush: 0 dollars

[Blue-Jay]

20. Seeya

Average IQ of Bush supporters: 75.

See? I can throw out unsubstantiated numbers as well as you can.

[Floogeldy]

22. If you believe Bush's proposal of private accounts won't cut SS benefits

Then you also believe we actually found WMD in Iraq.

[Blue-Jay]

18. huh?

I'm not sure, but I think that you just made baby Jeebus cry.

On a serious note: The neo-cons have a grab-and-go philosophy. Get as much as you can as fast as you can get it and convince people that it's for their own good. They're nothing but sideshow carnie grifters perpetuating their own unique version of a pyramid scheme. Perhaps Neil Bush is is the "brains" of the family after all.

[shadesofthesun]

16. ya just don't get it

unfortunately, too many folks think that government programs function in the same way as individuals. A call to action to a group of people means that each individual needs to do their part, not that more gov't cheese needs to be handed out.

[shadesofthesun]

19. short 'n sweet

I'm out for the night. e-mail me if you can't wait to discuss it further.

[Blue-Jay]

21. I'll get right on that.

[imenja]

25. govt vs. individual "responsibility"

I know we're not supposed to accuse people of non-Democratic political leanings, but I think arguing against government acting as an institution of social benevolence is a pretty clear sign a person is ideologically conservative. Am I wrong? In fact, I would say that is the key distinction between liberals and conservatives in American society.

[lazarus]

24. And too many folks

Think that corporations function as individuals, too. Let's get rid of corporate and red state welfare first, how about that?