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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 07:47 PM
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What are the chances of truly uplifting good tunes being made again?
Edited on Tue Jan-25-05 07:48 PM by HEyHEY
Just listening to "Mr. Tambourine man" the Byrds version. I can't see music that is inspired or meaningful in any form becomng popular again.
And if it did, the music itself would probably be flat, boring and not play with the imagination at all.

Thoughts?
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 07:49 PM
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1. U2's Beautiful Day has always brought tears of hopefulness for my
children to my eyes. I miss John Denver. I miss that true inspiration that you speak of, but U2 got it right with that one song.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 07:49 PM
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2. I didn't realize that it was you when I clicked the topic
Uplifting and good tunes are for feebs.

Cool people like the tunes nice n trashy
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 07:53 PM
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3. When I sa uplifting I don't mean in a flaky way
I mean tunes that make you want to turn the stereo up and sit back and really enjoy the content of the song.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 07:53 PM
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4. I think that the flakey way is the only way
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 07:54 PM
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5. Well that's just cause you listen to too much creed
:P
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 07:55 PM
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6. I don't listen to much of anything
Most music sucks and I'm happier without having to hear it.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:09 PM
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7. Man, no argument here
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Squeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:21 PM
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8. Thoughts
First of all, there's been a humongous change in the market. (Stop me if you've heard this one before; I feel like I type this exact same rant into somebody's thread every couple of months.)

When "Mr. Tambourine Man" came out, it was a big hit-- sold a couple hundred thousand copies.

Ten years later, Columbia Records let Roger McGuinn's recording contract lapse. McGuinn, who'd been recording for Columbia in the Byrds and as a solo artist for ten years, was no longer considered commercially viable, because he was only selling a couple hundred thousand copies of his albums.

Why was Columbia able to make money at that volume in 1964, but not in 1974? Because the whole scale of the marketplace had changed. The vast changes of the era-- the Beatles, the Summer of Love, and Woodstock-- had spawned millions of new music consumers whose tastes had to be accommodated (which is to say manipulated).

I believe that McGuinn's couple thousand fans were, if not the same people, the same *types* of people, in that they enjoyed music for musical reasons. (I think so because I'm a guitarist and singer and the Byrds have always been heroes of mine, so I think Byrds fandom is a sign of conspicuous good taste! Your mileage may vary.) But I think one of the things that happened because of Woodstock Nation was that our musical choices became a much more prominent part of our identity-- by identifying so strongly with musical styles, we made it possible for us to have music marketed to us for reasons that had very little to do with the inherent musical qualities of the product, that had more to do with taking a stance or copping an attitude. And that's why now we have audioanimatronic performers like Britney Spears and Ashlee Simpson, whose "music" is entirely crafted for them by producers, and who may not even be able to perform it in live situations. To their producers, their value is that they're easily manipulable, and they're marketably cute. To consumers, their value is that they're predictable, and cute.

Where are the musically literate listeners? Not at that counter; they're vastly outnumbered, not to mention that they probably find that sort of "music" uninteresting. Some of them have been buying McGuinn's recent output from the Folk Den, or mp3.com, or directly from McGuinn himself in concert. But he doesn't get on the charts from there. Nor do the new artists that could have been his modern day equivalents. Your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to go out and find them.

The other point I would make in this context is that we paint what we see. It was a lot easier to make uplifting music in the '60s than it is today, because there was a lot about the '60s that was truly inspiring, and precious little of that remains nowadays.
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Squeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:42 PM
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9. As I was saying
I'm kicking this because I put a lot of work into my previous post and I want people to read it. So sue me.
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