absolutezero
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Wed Jan-26-05 01:55 AM
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Poll question: What should I do about the nutjobs at my school |
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Edited on Wed Jan-26-05 01:58 AM by absolutezero
I apologize for the length of this, but I need some help.
Ok, the preface: I'm the Editor-in-Chief of the student newspaper at my school. Last year one of our writers, who shall be referred to as K (and is best described as :crazy:), was thrown out of the newspaper for sexually harassing our former editor-in-chief, who just got sick of his perverted pickup lines.
We also became aware that he was sexually harassing some of the young women in our Student Govt because they wouldn't give him information on an article he was writing about the lesbian orgies he thought they had after their meetings. :tinfoilhat:
When I became Editor he submitted a few articles, one was some random rant about the Iraq war but his grammar and style were vomit inducing.
Another was just homophobic raving in which he claimed that the lesbians in the student government had their gay friends attempt to sodomize him. :tinfoilhat:
His final opinion said that too many people at the school were fat and angry and that we needed better gym equipment. I was going to print it until I saw that he used me as an example of a fat angry student.
I should also add that this kid has a cult following at my school. 95% of the campus thinks he's insane but about 100 or so kids are willing to defend everything he does
A group of these kids, mostly architecture majors who I can best described as whack jobs with no concept of newspaper design, journalism or reality cornered me outside my office today and gave me an hour long explanation of why I suck.
It's going to be kind of hard to give a whole write-up of the conversation so I'm just going to list their wild assertions:
Good Grammar is subjective and restrictive to free discussion. :wtf:
The news and sports sections need to be eliminated because nobody cares about them :spank: and dedicate the entire paper to bad satire, perverted humor and K's rants. They even went as far as suggesting that I shouldn't have run a story about the inauguration because it wasn't important. (As much as I hate him it is a major event)
I'm a fascist that only prints what my friends and I like and that I delete all other student submissions. (This is an engineering school, all the people that like writing are either on my staff or insane)
That ad revenue and - by extension - ads aren't necessary and they're just space filler. (Forget about printing cost, its just a technicality)
They told me repeatedly that I'm not accurately representing the student's views and needy to be more "edgy" (I emphasize edgy because they said it like it was the meaning of life)
They then said that they were thinking about starting a competing newspaper and that they were going to get the student government to ban me. (we're the oldest club on campus, over 80 years in publication, and there's also this little thing called the first amendment)
That I shouldn't try to be a professional newspaper because we're in college and we should be thought provoking and controversial (never mind that my opinions page featured some pretty controversial stuff and a picture of a dead mouse we found in our office accompanied by an editorial demanding they send an exterminator to the student center ASAP because we've been bitching for a while about this)
Nobody reads the paper and the only reason all the papers are gone is because they roam around at night disposing of them because K told them that I won't print anything they send me. (Why then do I see the stacks SLOWLY disappear? Do they throw out 3000 copies over the course of a week?)
Then they told me they were going to recycle my pathetic attempt at journalism and watched them walk out of the building, towards the dumpsters with about 400 copies of the paper. The papers are labeled as having a cost of one dollar each after the first copy which is free. We never enforce this but it's there for situations like this.
So I call the campus police (actually an extension of the NJ state police) who file a report for theft and refer the matter to the Dean of student's office. But first they ask if it had anything to do with K's idiot minions. They told me that these kids were pulling all kinds of crazy shit on campus and I was the fifth person to call the cops on them.
So now I have a dilemma. Do I press the matter and try to get them in trouble for stealing the newspapers? (before you ask, yes it is illegal to steal a free newspaper if it's being done in an attempt at censorship. A lot of colleges have had this problem)
Do I run nothing but "edgy" articles in next week's issue. Including the unedited versions of the crap they've sent me?
Do I build an army of robots whose mission will be to eliminate the K cult from my campus?
I humbly ask for your suggestions/comments/questions
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KitchenWitch
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:00 AM
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that if he wants to run a paper, that he take it on himself so he can have complete editorial control, and that he also take on the expense, whether he bears it himself or runs ads - see how quickly his ad revenue dries up, when it is found that his paper has no editorial standards!
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:03 AM
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2. You're the Editor. Press charges. Don't run their garbage. |
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Edited on Wed Jan-26-05 02:06 AM by norml
Let them start their own no advertising revenue, "edgy humor" rag, and watch it fold, after three issues.
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absolutezero
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:09 AM
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4. they won't get that far |
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Edited on Wed Jan-26-05 02:13 AM by absolutezero
the student govt can't give them more than $500 per semester if they happen to get somekind of approval. And it costs $600 atleast to print more than 4 pages
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:08 AM
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3. You know, nothing's stopping |
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K from printing a 'zine; let him and his minions do that and see where it gets them. I vote that you press the matter further. Good luck!
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:13 AM
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5. All I needed to hear was 'good grammar is subjective' |
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If he wants to walk, let him walk. His friends can go with them and print their own crappy newspaper.
Anything you print as Editor-in-Chief is your responsibility to some degree, whether or not you write it yourself. Printing their unedited crap is going to have a negative effect on your reputation, and that's not something you need.
Oh, and remember that 'edgy' is sometimes just a code word for 'offensive'.
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:16 AM
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6. Listen...don't let this opportunity escape you. |
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I'm going to assume, for the moment, that "K" isn't actually our own "HEyHEY", and I'm going to suggest that you give K a weekly column to rand and rave about all kinds of paranoid and otherwise insane topics.
That's good readin', and it will satisfy your need for "equal time" opinions without actually having your mandate challenged in any tangeable way.
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:19 AM
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Edited on Wed Jan-26-05 02:19 AM by absolutezero
he was a columnist until we kicked him out for being a pervert. students actually stopped reading the paper. Most of us can't stand him. Besides, I can get sued if just starts making stuff up
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:20 AM
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8. I don't think you or the paper can be sued if... |
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...you run some sort of disclaimer with the columne: "the opinions ecpressed in this column do not reflect the opinions of blah blah blah..."
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:22 AM
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Edited on Wed Jan-26-05 02:24 AM by absolutezero
I already had a fight like that last semester after someone I quoted in an article turned out to be lying. It falls on me because I didn't check the facts.
And running a disclaimer saying that we aren't responsible for this column won't hold up in court (and its just going to piss him off more)
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:26 AM
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12. Okay, then, how about this: |
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"The following opinion does not necessarily reflect rhe editorial position of (your paper), or its contributors and publishers. Any offensive, misleading, or inaccurate statements will be responded to at an editorial level by beating the author with a large board with a nail in it, so there's no need to sue us"
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:28 AM
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15. As much as I like that |
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we can still get sued.
But if tell the student govt (the target of his hatred) I'm sure they'll be lenient.
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:24 AM
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post 9 more times and you will escape the 700 Club! :hi:
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:25 AM
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better get started
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:26 AM
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13. keep it up, you are almost there! |
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:26 AM
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14. I like the robot idea myself, but |
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it being an engineering school they would probably build their own robots in response. That would result in a giant robot war (or war of giant robots, it depends) that would destroy the campus.
That would be edgy, but then the robots would shrug off your control and go on a nationwide rampage. The army would be called out but they're all in Iraq so the robots would be free to wreak mayhem all across the country.
Bush would blame evil doers for the robots and nuke North Korea in the name of freedom. North Korea would nuke Japan in the name of liberty and Japan would unleash their own Super Killer Robots on China to end tyranny. China would nuke Russia. Why? Why not, it would be edgy, and plus China hates Russia for its freedoms. Russia would nuke us just to shut bush the hell up and all that would be left in the end would be cockroaches.
Cockroaches and Dick Cheney that is.
Ol' Dicky would be safe in his secure, undisclosed location. Eventually, having nothing edgy to read, Cheney would be go insane. (I mean more than he already is. It is a well known fact that lack of edginess is the leading cause of mental illness) in a fit of madness he would burst out of his secure, undisclosed location. Fortunately he would immediately be eaten by a huge, mutated cockroach.
The End.
OK, so maybe robots aren't such a good idea.
You called the cops, let them handle it and you continue running the paper as you see fit.
Fuck 'em.
Unless of course they build giant killer robots to sick on you. In which case we're all doomed.
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:30 AM
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That makes for good news. And it's edgy too!
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:29 AM
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Edited on Wed Jan-26-05 02:32 AM by LeftyMom
Tell them that if he wishes to start his own periodical, be it a zine or a competing newspaper or just some random "edgy" typewritten tinfoil ravings on copy paper, you'll be glad to include an article about it in the school paper so his followers will know where to find his work in the future. Remind them that the only true path to free speech is to own your own press, but a Kinko's card and a stapler is a reasonable substitute.
Then tell them to take a hike. :evilgrin:
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:40 AM
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Plus why aren't you writing THIS story in your paper?
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Wed Jan-26-05 08:23 AM
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That is my thought. Tell him that he's free to start his own newspaper with no advertising if he wants...
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:30 AM
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Where the hell is your faculty advisor? The advisor should be the one to deal with the cops. Leaving you hanging out to dry is dereliction on his/her part.
I'd write an editorial. A big one, on its own page. Explain your vision of the paper's purpose. You need to be the solid center. A great example is, well, Skinner. Read some ATA posts. He does an amazing job of remaining level-headed when dealing with angry DUers.
If you don't have a mission statement, then write one. Publish it. Demand that all staff members adhere to it, or face termination. Warn K semi-privately (with a neutral witness, like a faculty member) that you expect him to follow the rules. Don't hesitate to spike his stories. Give him three warnings, and then can him.
There's also the option of getting an ombudsman--which is what your faculty advisor should be available for.
And above all, remember that you're the Boss. You are wholly responsible for the paper's content, and with that comes the right to kill any story you find contrary to the paper's philosophy. If it leaves you with dead space, then fill it with pictures if you have to.
Don't concede anything to a single nutcase and his monkeys. Publish your principles, and stand by them.
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:34 AM
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and my faculty advisor is only there to make suggestions about writing style and what he would do in our situation. He also deals with stupid administrative stuff that nobody else knows about.
this also occured at 8pm at night. The campus center is open and the clubs offices tend to be open.
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:44 AM
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22. If he's not staff, then why print him? |
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Assuming you still do, which you may not.
You know your situation best, but theft and destruction of the paper is a huge issue. I just think your advisor is being incredibly lax by being involved.
Run a front pager about the theft. Get the police involved. Get some quotes from a history professor about destruction of news sources--I'm sure the Nazis offer more than one example. For a campus paper, this is a huuuuuge story. You could conceivably get weeks of coverage about the crime and investigation.
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:46 AM
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23. this just happened tonight |
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There's nothing anyone can really do about it right now.
Also, the reasoning behind printing their garbage (which I normally don't) is to simply ridicule them. I'd run it with an accompanying article on why we reject certain things and ethical standards
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Wed Jan-26-05 03:04 AM
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Ah, I understand now. Just stop printing him. As enjoyable as it is to give him the redass now and then, you may just be fanning the flames.
Get the cops involved. Let them know your suspicions. If you don't, they'll keep doing it. And remember that if it continues, your advertisers will eventually get wind of it and stop buying space.
You could always get a cheap internet camera and secretly film a box. Imagine--a great story with a photo spread!
I'm a journalism grad, so this stuff really pisses me off. Hope I'm not talking your ear off. I'm just full advice. Well, full of something, anyway. :P
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:37 AM
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20. None of the above. Stand your ground! |
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Don't let these bullies harrass you into printing any of their insane garbage. My advice would be to become the print media's version of Fox News for progressives. Swear up and down it is fair and balanced using a catchy slogan like "all points of view covered here" or something to that effect. Don't let them push you into printing things that you know have no integrity. Stick to your guns and don't back down.
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Wed Jan-26-05 02:56 AM
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24. as EIC, why don't you just "fire" or throw this jerk off the |
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writing staff. Wouldn't that be the simplest thing? It sounds like this person is just a ranting lunatic type.
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Wed Jan-26-05 03:11 AM
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last year, for sexual harassment and general stupidity. But he has a lot fo friends that think he's the greatest thing ever and he tells them that I'm against him and part of the conspiracy. They see me as the mouthpiece of the administration even thought they hate my friggin guts for some of the stuff I've printed
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Wed Jan-26-05 04:22 AM
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28. just a question and comment, not a suggestion to contribute. |
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Edited on Wed Jan-26-05 04:25 AM by drumwolf
Would you describe K as a sociopath? He sounds like he knows how to manipulate certain individuals to do his bidding, which I think is a trademark of certain types of sociopaths.
And he sounds exactly like the kind of person who could turn into another Hitler, Pol Pot, Osama bin Laden, Jim Jones or Charles Manson, given the right historical circumstances. Do you think I'm describing him accurately?
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Wed Jan-26-05 08:16 AM
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30. Don't lower your standards. |
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You have an obligation to all the other people who actually read & like your paper. If they want to submit a piece, you can require that it be grammatically correct, logically organized, and that it makes its point without insulting characterizations of other students or juvenile conspiracy theories.
Don't be afraid to press charges, especially if they've been causing problems around campus before. The more the police have to work with, the easier their job is. (Maybe you could write a story on the increasing incidences of vandalism around school.)
Finally, as editor - you can write editorials! If they are able to accomplish the immense feat of writing their concerns down on paper, in English, and make it readable, legible, and articulate - you can rebut right on the next page.
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Wed Jan-26-05 08:28 AM
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32. Throw the book at them. HARD. |
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Edited on Wed Jan-26-05 08:29 AM by Commie Pinko Dirtbag
Do you believe they'd be "nice" to you should they witness any kind of transgression by your part? Yeah, didn't think so either.
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