Is Tom Cruise bug-eyed nutso insane?

[UdoKier]

Seriously.

[hippiechick]

1. That Scientology crap has him by the shorties ....

.. homie's just too full of that L Ron Hubbard shit.

[lenidog]

3. Its worse than that

he is head over heels in love with Katie Holmes. I was told by someone who watched the show that he is schoolboy silly in love.

[Beetwasher]

6. 1. He's A Scientologist 2. He's Trying WAAAAY To Hard To Convince Everyone

he's not gay. Way too hard if you know what I mean.

[UdoKier]

5. I swear it looks like Oprah's thinking

"Omigod, omigod, where is security? No ratings points are worth putting up with this freak!"

[truebrit71]

48. No kidding....

..I believe the boy is out of his tree...

[CubsFan1982]

2. No, he's just trying too hard to appear straight.

Classic overcompensation. The whacked-out Scientology crap don't help, either.

[jobycom]

7. Ummm

That's close to gay bashing... could you clarify what part of "closeted gay Scientologist" bothers you? I mean, I trust you, but the way that's worded...

[Zuni]

11. so, do you think he is gay?

Just curious.

[UdoKier]

14. If he is, it's clearly repressed.

He seems to desparately want to prove that he's not. A little too desparate...

[jobycom]

31. Yeah, he's clearly trying very hard

I mean, the alternative would be to believe that he's a quirky artist type just getting over an emotional breakup who has suddenly found love again and is reacting like a child--that's just way too hard to believe.

I could care less whether he's straigth or gay. Why is this an issue on DU, of all places?

[UdoKier]

33. "quirky artist type" - Cruise?

This is a guy who has tried so hard to be conventional Mr. All-American his whole life. Most quirky artist types I know couldn't give a crap about fulfilling that role.

[jobycom]

40. So he's not acting strange? I'm really confused

Someone says Cruise is acting crazy, I say most people in his profession act crazy so so what if he does, and now I get a "he's not acting crazy he's trying to be conventional" line.

I'll go draw circles somewhere else.

[UdoKier]

41. Conventional and all-American - the first warning signs

I always find people who go out of their way to be perfect a bit off-putting. It's often a facade masking all kinds of problems.

[jobycom]

43. I've never seen him that way, but I guess I don't watch him closely enoug

To me he's always looked like a talented actor who took a few risks without really reaching too far. I've never wondered exactly how that indicated whether he was gay or straight. Never cared, frankly. I have friends I've never wondered about. Just me, I guess.

[UdoKier]

46. I've participated in the jokes, but I don't really care either.

I seriously do think he is showing signs of some sort of emotional problem, but I really don't care whether or not he's gay.

I hope he gets better, whatever the problem is.

[jobycom]

49. Cool. I can say, though

that going through the breakup of a long-term marriage because of an affair or series of affairs is quite enough reason for someone to be emotionally unstable.

A couple of days ago someone asked Cruise about a comment Kidman had made years ago. She had said that monogamy was unnatural for humans. Cruise's answer was very bitter, along the lines of "That's not what I believed." Read between the lines. She hurt him pretty bad. He's still reacting to that.

I'm just way too liberal to like seeing someone bashed based on rumors and speculation at a difficult time in their life. It brings out the crusader in me, for better and worse.

[UdoKier]

51. Then you acknowledge that he's overcompensating with the "Happy happy"

and whether he's admitting it to himself or not, this is "a difficult time in (his) life".

[jobycom]

54. He may really be "happy happy."

I have no way of knowing. I hope for Katie Holmes's sake he knows what he's doing. But I think his emotions are probably still a mess, and it's making him act strange. Maybe he's overcompensating. Then again, he's an actor, they always act strange. Most of us have the same impulses, but we control them. Actors are trained to go with their impulses. One thing that makes Cruise such a successful actor is his ability to become surprisingly emotional and intense at times, like in Magnolia, even in Top Gun (not that I'm saying Top Gun was a good performance for him). So maybe he's really happy and in love, and his recent experiences just make him act more emotional about everything.

I doubt he's completely stable right now, emotionally, but that's a long way from claiming he's insane. And all this speculation about whether he's gay just feels dirty to me.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

56. I've posted more than my share of Tom Cruise threads, and...

...as I've said before, I really, really, really don't care one iota about his sexuality.

It's never my motivation for posting. NEVER.

I keep his name "up front" on DU because he's preaching some dangerous stuff. He's throwing some very volatile bricks from his little glass celebrity house.

He's a nutjob. I don't care about who he's banging. He needs help.

[jobycom]

30. I have honestly never wondered, nor do I wonder now

I'm curious why you care 1) whether he is, and 2) whether I think he is.

I'm more than a little taken aback, too, that you did NOT try to sound less homophobic... Hope that was just an oversight.

[terrya]

37. I haven't seen one bit of homophobia in this thread.

I know homophobia when I see it, jobycom.

This is the same speculation about Tom Cruise that's been around for years. This man has made almost a livelihood about being a jackass over this stuff. When one is completely batshit paranoid to the point where he has to fire off lawsuits right and left, it merely fans the flames, so to speak, even more. Other celebrities have handled speculation about their sexual orientation perfectly fine...Ian Thorpe, the Austrialian Olympic swimmer, is but one example of someone who basically said "I'm not gay, but I'm very flattered to be thought of that way". And...end of story for Ian Thorpe. He came off classy and handled the situation well indeed.

But not so for Tom Cruise. He's being a complete jerk about it. To the point where I seriously hope he is straight...because I have no respect for a gay person who would act in such a way as Tom Cruise has been acting these years.

[jobycom]

39. Did you see the post before it was changed? nt

If not, you don't know what my post was about.

[Zuni]

45. T, the post said

"Tom Cruise is a creepy closeted scientologist" or something like that. I have not changed any of my posts.

[jobycom]

52. Zuni, apologies

I responded to your earlier post thinking you were the one who wrote the first post I responded to, the one that's been changed. My bad. Sorry.

[Zuni]

53. I was just joking anyway

being silly because of the whole Tom Cruise hoopla

[Zuni]

22. you didn't have to change your post

[jobycom]

4. No. He's a Democrat. Which makes him more sane than 51% of America

Who cares if he jumps up and down on a couch? He thought it was cute, it wasn't. Kind of like Howard Dean with the Yeeahhh! bit.

[UdoKier]

12. Yeah, so's my dad.

That doesn't make him any less of an alcoholic.

I'm glad Cruise is not a Republicrap, but he is weird and getting progressively weirder.

A 43 year old man DRAGGING his 21 year old girlfriend onto a talk show stage to make a big show about their love is not cute. It reminded me of this:

[Zuni]

17. LOL

now THAT was WEIRD

[jobycom]

35. She's 27. nt.

[UdoKier]

36. Or will be in december of this year anyway.

Thanks for the correction, I looked it up. I thought she was 21.

[jobycom]

42. Thanks back at you!

I just looked up the year and subtracted. Thanks for doing the heavy math. Now we know.

:-)

[Heidi]

15. You're comparing him with Howard Dean?

As far as I know, Howard Dean isn't seeking to influence public health policy to the detriment of psychiatry, which has saved many American lives since its dawn. Mr. Cruise, however, has no medical background, and much like Jerry Falwell, seeks to use his religious "clout" to influence health policy. If you can tell me how that perpetuates Democratic values, I'd be happy to listen. :shrug:

[jobycom]

38. The comparison wasn't to Dean, it was to the perception of his actions

Psychiatry has helped and hurt. I've seen both sides of it, up very close and very personal. This is a profession that used to shock people until their brains no longer functioned so they would stop acting insane--meaning at the time anything from being depressed to being gay. People have been locked up in cells and labeled insane for issues that could have been settled by time, better diet, or in some cases, just a broader acceptance of diversity.

While most of the excesses of early psychiatry are no longer accepted, I believe that in another couple of decades much of the medication that psychiatrists currently prescribe will be seen as just as barbaric, ineffective, and culturally biased as shock therapy is seen now.

Not all. Obviously some medications are very beneficial. My biggest complaint with Cruise on this issue is, as you say, that he's not a doctor, and therefore that he isn't in a position to know for sure.

But at the same time, the overwhelming majority of people who go to a psychiatrist and are prescribed drugs never even wonder if perhaps the drugs are unnecessary. Psychiatrists, and doctors in general, are given a mythic position of authority and trust in America, and I think that's dangerous. Statistics show that more people die from doctor's prescribing the wrong drugs or procedures than just about any other single cause, and a big part of that is because people don't feel they can question medical authorities.

So I'm not completely against what Cruise is doing. I'm not completely for it, either. I don't agree with Cruise's attacks any more than I agree with someone who wholeheartedly supports psychiatry. Nor any less.

For the record, I have a lot of mental illness in my family (fortunately I was adopted), and have almost died more than once as a result of a doctor misdiagnosing someone, so I appreciate meds. I also have a neighbor who has been diagnosed as bipolar, and I've watched her abuse meds to the point where a minor (in her case) mental illness has become a major problem for her, her family, and my whole neighborhood. Those are two examples, I have many more.

None of that has to do with my post, though, which was just to point out that Tom Cruise jumping up and down on a couch on a daytime tv show no more indicates he's losing his mind than Howard Dean making perhaps the worst political speech I've ever seen a front-runner make and then closing it with a goofy screech makes him insane.

Sorry for the long post.

[Heidi]

8. This is the man who has declared war on psychiatry. (nt)

[asthmaticeog]

23. Yes, he should definitely *stay on* the couch. (nt)

[Mutley]

9. Someone drank too much coffee?

:shrug:

LOL. I heard about Cruise going nuts on Oprah, but this is the first time I've seen the pics. Hilarious!

Now, why did he go nuts on Oprah like that? She looks like she was enjoying it.

[UdoKier]

16. He was basically like "I'm so happy! Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy! WOOOH!"

Scary...

[Heidi]

19. Yeah, every time anyone I've known has made that sort of public spectacle

of happiness (including myself), they've been incredibly miserable and headed for a big, big change. Pass me the popcorn, UdoKier. :popcorn:

[Mutley]

26. True...

The last time I was that happy I had been extremely miserable at my job and I had just found a way out......

[Zuni]

28. Happy is synonomous with another word, other than "Joy"

it may fit Mr. Cruise better :popcorn:

[Semi_subversive]

10. He's an actor

WTF else do you expect?

[sniffa]

13. no he's not

he's sooooo heterosexuaL!

[Zuni]

21. straighter than an arrow

well, one that curves all over the place

[UdoKier]

25. He's a man's man.

"We are too!"

[terrya]

27. He likes the ladies!

Unfortunately, the relationships don't seem to last very long...

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

18. Is the bear Catholic? Does the Pope crap in the woods?

[ronnykmarshall]

20. Batshit loco!!

Read an article that his "people" are not thrilled with this latest stunt.

[LSdemocrat]

24. He's completely out of touch since he's been rich and famous for 20+ years

That kind of money and fame over time changes people.

[jobycom]

44. Yeah, now that I can agree with. The man's

been a filthy rich sex symbol his whole adult life. What's normal about that?

[jukes]

29. loox like a typical

hollywood-staged badboi routine to me. any publicity is good publicity; the public loves controversy in actor-appearances.



Note: i didn't see the episode, but this stuff is common hype.

[lady lib]

32. Maybe he's overdoing it because he's still in love with Nicole.

:shrug:

[UdoKier]

34. That's actually a possibility.

If so, he ought to see a counselor - BUT HIS CULT WON'T LET HIM!

[jobycom]

47. And/or trying to prove he's moved on. I wondered that, too

That's not an uncommon response to a breakup, especially one involving the other person cheating. Of course, if you're Tom Cruise, you can't move on or have emotional issues without a camera watching you do it.

[GreenPartyVoter]

50. I've wondered at that too.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

55. NO.

If you want to believe the rumors, a B-I-G contributing factor to the Cruise-Kidman breakup was that she didn't enjoy spending every free minute at the "L.A. Celebrity Center" as much as Tom did.

He set the priorities. He chose L. Ron Hubbard. If he's "still in love" with Nicole, that's his tough luck.