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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:52 PM
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Theatre viewership is down... yet DVD sales are up. This is odd.
E-mail I got.

Also have to note how they're saying DVD sales have gone up. Yet the MPAA has shut down movie and TV distribution bittorrent sites, citing lower sales in the industry. As usual, the MPAA et al are bollocks.

As for movies, here's an idea: Make them good. Do not make lots of remakes. People do not like these. Put characters and thoughtful writing at the forefront. Effects are eye candy and nothing more. Keep the emotional blithering to a minimum, I don't care how fucking succulent the steak is. We know it's the depression and we know you're going to give the food to the girl so don't bullshit us with this steaming pile of cattle cack.

Viewers want originality and money well spent. The movie industry is BANKRUPT in this area; preferring remakes and sequels as they have old graphs showing they're profitable. Then they get confused when they see figures aren't up, so that's when they make more remakes ans sequels of even older stuff...

And maybe hollywuss will figure it out someday. But not before Tom Cruise files for bankruptcy, which will be never.



> >May 27, 2005
> >With Popcorn, DVD's and TiVo, Moviegoers Are
> Staying Home
> >By LAURA M. HOLSON
> >Correction Appended
> >
> >LOS ANGELES, May 26 - Matthew Khalil goes to the
> movies about once a month,
> >down from five or six times just a few years ago.
> Mr. Khalil, a senior at
> >the University of California, Los Angeles, prefers
> instead to watch old
> >movies and canceled television shows on DVD.
> >
> >He also spends about 10 hours a week with friends
> playing the video game
> >Halo 2. And he has to study, which means hours on
> the Internet and reading
> >at least a book a week.
> >
> >"If I want to watch a movie I can just rent it on
> DVD," he said. "I want to
> >do things that conform to my time frame, not
> someone else's."
> >
> >Like Mr. Khalil, many Americans are changing how
> they watch movies -
> >especially young people, the most avid moviegoers.
> For 13 weekends in a
> >row, box-office receipts have been down compared
> with a year ago, despite
> >the blockbuster opening of the final "Star Wars"
> movie. And movie
> >executives are unsure whether the trend will end
> over the important
> >Memorial Day weekend that officially begins the
> summer season.
> >
> >Meanwhile, sales of DVD's and other types of new
> media continue to surge.
> >
> >With box-office attendance sliding, so far, for the
> third consecutive year,
> >many in the industry are starting to ask whether
> the slump is just part of
> >a cyclical swing driven mostly by a crop of weak
> movies or whether it
> >reflects a much bigger change in the way Americans
> look to be entertained -
> >a change that will pose serious new challenges to
> Hollywood.
> >
> >Studios have made more on DVD sales and licensing
> products than on
> >theatrical releases for some time. Now,
> technologies like TiVo and
> >video-on-demand are keeping even more people at
> home, as are advanced home
> >entertainment centers, with their high-definition
> television images on
> >large flat screens and multichannel sound systems.
> >
> >"It is much more chilling if there is a cultural
> shift in people staying
> >away from movies," said Paul Dergarabedian,
> president of the Exhibitor
> >Relations Company, a box-office tracking firm.
> "Quality is a fixable
> >problem."
> >
> >But even if the quality of movies can be improved,
> Mr. Dergarabedian said,
> >the fundamental problem is that "today's audience
> is a much tougher crowd
> >to excite. They have so many entertainment options
> and they have gotten
> >used to getting everything on demand."
> >
> >Last year Americans spent an average of 78 hours
> watching videos and DVD's,
> >a 53 percent increase since 2000, according to a
> study by the Motion
> >Picture Association of America, the film industry's
> trade group. DVD sales
> >and rentals soared 676.5 percent during the same
> period, and 60 percent of
> >all homes with a television set now also have a DVD
> player. DVD sales and
> >rentals alone were about $21 billion, according to
> the Digital
> >Entertainment Group.
> >
> >Discs are now released just four months after a
> film's debut, and the
> >barrage of advertising that accompanies the opening
> in movie theaters
> >serves ultimately as a marketing campaign for the
> DVD, where the studios
> >tend to make most of their profits.
> >
> >By contrast, movie attendance has increased 8.1
> percent from 2000 to 2004,
> >according to the association. Many in the movie
> industry point to that
> >figure as a sign of overall health. But attendance
> was down in three of
> >those five years, and the sharp increase in
> attendance in 2002 is
> >attributed to the overwhelming success of
> "Spider-Man" and "Star Wars:
> >Attack of the Clones."
> >
> >More recently, the number of moviegoers has
> dropped, sliding 4 percent in
> >2003, 2 percent in 2004 and 8 percent so far in
> 2005.
> >
> >Time spent on the Internet has soared 76.6 percent
> and video game playing
> >has increased 20.3 percent, according to the
> association. Last year,
> >consumers bought $6.2 billion worth of video game
> software, an increase of
> >8 percent from 2003, according to the NPD Group,
> which tracks video game
> >sales.
> >
> >This does not mean that the $9.5 billion theatrical
> movie business is
> >anywhere near its last gasp. It still plays a
> crucial role for the studios
> >in generating excitement. But movie makers
> recognize they have to be more
> >on their toes if they want to recapture their core
> audience.
> >
> >"There are a lot of distractions," said Jerry
> Bruckheimer, who produced the
> >"Pirates of the Caribbean" in 2003 as well as the
> successful "CSI"
> >television franchise. "You need to pull them away
> from their computers. You
> >need to pull them away from their video games."
> >
> >Consider Matt Cohler, a 28-year-old vice president
> at Thefacebook.com, a
> >Silicon Valley company that creates Internet
> student directories on college
> >campuses. Mr. Cohler likes movies, but lately, he
> said, little has grabbed
> >his attention.
> >
> >He liked the new "Star Wars" and a documentary
> about the collapse of Enron.
> >But of the Nicole Kidman-Sean Penn big-budget
> thriller, "The Interpreter,"
> >Mr. Cohler said, "It was only O.K." He has few
> plans to see anything else
> >this summer, and said he was content to spend his
> free time online or
> >writing e-mail.
> >
> >"I feel quite strongly that, with a few exceptions,
> the quality of movies
> >has been declining the last few years," he said.
> >
> >Amy Pascal, the chairwoman of Sony Pictures
> Entertainment's motion picture
> >group, said, "We can give ourselves every excuse
> for people not showing up
> >- change in population, the demographic, sequels,
> this and that - but
> >people just want good movies."
> >
> >She predicted that "Bewitched," a romantic comedy
> about a producer who
> >unwittingly hires a "real" witch for the lead role
> in a remake of the
> >television show, would have a broad appeal. "If it
> was a straight-ahead
> >remake of the show," she said, "we would have been
> guilty of doing the
> >ordinary."
> >
> >Jill Nightingale, 37, who works at IGN
> Entertainment in ad sales, is the
> >type of moviegoer - older, female and important to
> studios - that
> >"Bewitched" should appeal to. But video games
> increasingly have taken up
> >time she otherwise might spend watching television
> or going to the movies.
> >The last two theater showings she said she attended
> were "Star Wars" and
> >"Sideways," which she viewed in December.
> >
> >She plays a video game for 30 minutes each night
> before bed. Two weeks ago,
> >five friends joined her at her San Francisco condo
> to drink wine and play
> >"Karaoke Revolutions" on her Sony PlayStation,
> where the would-be American
> >Idols had a competition, belting out everything
> from Top 40 hits to show
> >tunes.
> >
> >"Party games are great for dates," she said. "A few
> years ago I would have
> >been at a bar or at a movie."
> >
> >But what could well have the greatest impact on
> theater attendance is the
> >growing interest in digital home entertainment
> centers, which deliver
> >something much closer to a movie-style experience
> than conventional
> >television sets.
> >
> >Brian Goble, 37, a video game entrepreneur, said he
> had not been to a movie
> >theater in two years, except to see "Star Wars"
> with his wife and four
> >friends. Instead, he stays at his home in a Seattle
> suburb, where he has
> >turned the basement into a home theater with a
> 53-inch high-definition
> >television screen and large surround-sound
> speakers. He no longer has to
> >deal with parking and jostling crowds, he said, a
> relief now that he has
> >two children.
> >
> >" It's really just not as comfortable and fun as
> being at home," he said.
> >"You can pause, go to the bathroom, deal with a
> crying kid."
> >
> >Mr. Goble rarely watches video-on-demand ("The
> quality is poor," he said.)
> >Instead he has an account with Netflix and orders
> his movies online. When
> >the Nicholas Cage movie "National Treasure" was
> released last November, for
> >instance, he added it to his Netflix list so he
> would be sent a copy when
> >it came out on DVD.
> >
> >His prime regret about seeing the final installment
> of "Star Wars" was that
> >he could not watch it at home. "The only reason to
> go to the theater these
> >days," he said, "is because it is a movie you must
> see now."
> >
> >
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:58 PM
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1. What about live theater?
Just wondered about attendance there. Like an actor I know said recently, there's no comparison between doing film/TV and having a live audience, because it takes the audience and actors together to make the play.
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 07:03 PM
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2. That's a well known phenomenon
Edited on Fri Jun-03-05 07:08 PM by Kellanved
They're using it for all media formats, all over the globe.
They love to screw the customers and their rights; pirates are a welcome excuse.

Case in point: In Australia, the music industry was chaught trying to hide their record earnings - they feared to lose bargaining chips against the government and their contracted artists.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/03/28/1080412234274.html?oneclick=true
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 07:08 PM
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3. There's nothing odd about it
It's too damn expensive to go to the movies. Anybody remember dollar night? Now it costs at least 8 bucks just for the ticket! Then you have to pay extortionate prices if you want a tub of popcorn and a drink. A movie date for two now costs at least 20 bucks. You can rent a DVD and watch it in the comfort of your own home (without crowds, lines, squalling babies, ringing cell phones, blabbing people and rampant germs) for five bucks.

I haven't gone to a movie in at least two years and the main reason is the expense. It's just not worth it to me anymore.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 08:26 PM
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6. Right on
and if you look for some titles, you can BUY a DVD for the price of one ticket. Then keep it and watch it unlimted times.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 07:08 PM
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4. Even though many theatres have stadium seating
the experience at the theatre sucks. I pay $8 and am forced to sit through 15 minutes of COMMERCIALS! Not even HBO shows COMMERCIALS!

Commercials and the fact that much of what passes for entertainment sucks is the big reason ticket prices are down. I'd much rather watch a DVD at home where I can use my own bathroom and drink my own Mountain Dew (most theatres around here sell only Coke products) that I didn't have to pay $3 for.

I am tired of movies based upon old TV shows. I will not see them. I am tired of remakes. Surely there are original ideas out there, after all haven't many of the writers in Hollywood graduated from the Ivies?

As for live theatre, that is out of the price range of most working people. I looked into seeing Opera Theatre of St Louis' production of Beauty and the Beast and the cheapest ticket was around $50! I maybe see live theatre once a year.

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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 07:10 PM
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5. heh, welcome to my world
:D

Commercials in theatres are a fact I grew up with; up to 45 minutes of commercials plus €8 (well, €6 for students) for the ticket are quite usual.
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