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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:02 AM
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Poll question: Does God exist?
By God I mean something supernatural, not some scientific force that connects us all.
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:17 AM
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1. I don't know about God..... but Dog is my co-pilot
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:20 AM
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2. Do you ?
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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:22 AM
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3. A few things....
First, "God" (not my preferred word but oh well) is all around you. Just look outside and you'll see it.

Secondly, science has supported many parts of religion. Karma, for example, goes hand in hand with Newton's Third Law: To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Eternal existence has been supported by the Law of Conservation of Energy, and the Law of Conservation of Matter. Even in math, you can see that ALL numbers have a one in their denominator, so there is a common element in all numbers. Also, every possible line on a coordinate graph is really just a transformation of every other line, translation: we are all the same in the end, but we are also different.

To be concise, "God" exists, all you have to do is look around you and within yourself to see it.
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:48 AM
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7. The fish discovers the ocean
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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:42 AM
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16. Exactly
Merely by posing the question 'does God exist?' one is almost proving that He does - however, that reveals nothing about His nature, merely that He is.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:23 AM
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4. of course I do, now get your ass to church.
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:28 AM
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5. God is one of us.
Just a stranger on a bus.
Trying to make his way home.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 10:06 PM
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31. No one calling on the phone
(except the Pope maybe in Rome).
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:31 AM
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6. Extremely skeptical
But if God does exist, I highly doubt it's in any of the ways modern religion would have you believe.

But really, I just don't know.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:00 AM
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8. I take it, then, that you are talking only about a concept
of God, which of course isn't God but is a concept.

In the Native American religions, especially the Lakota, all things are sacred, all things God. In Sufism, everything is God ("There is no reality save the One"). This concept includes all scientific laws known and those yet to be discovered. So in this concept, God is everything we know and everything we don't know-as such I would deem that being supernatural, as God goes into dimensions many people are not aware of.

The Buddhists believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that all is illusion, that suffering is caused by desire, to end suffering end attachments..and yet...The Dalai Lama once told a group of visiting Sufis "In Sufism, everything is. In Buddhism, nothing is. Same thing, no difference."
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:31 AM
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9. Aggressive Agnostic
I don't know.
And niether do you.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 10:20 PM
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34. God knows
why you prefer the Hurricane to the Spitfire, but I don't.

(just kidding -- I'm agnostic too -- but curious about your choice of WWII fighters. I was partial to the twin fuselage P-38 Lightening myself)
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 10:39 PM
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36. Has to do with many things...
It's a cool name.
It was the second best British fighter in the Battle of Britain... but it was built in larger numbers, was more forgiving of a inexperienced pilot, and was needed... nothing wrong with the 'Spit', but there weren't enough of them.

Think of it this way: not every Dem can be a Clinton, Kerry, or Dean... the party needs the second stringers and back benchers too.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 12:06 PM
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37. Good Explanation! n/t
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:34 AM
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10. i'm not sure sure a greater power exists that can be boxed & labeled in
human thought
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BearClaws Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:39 AM
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12. Mother Nature is my God.
All this organized religious stuff is complete bullshit.
I'm soooo fucking sick of it all.
God, Allah whatever..blah, blah, blah.
How many lives have been snuffed out in the name of "GOD"?
Just My Opinion.
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:41 AM
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13. if i have found any sort of synergy beyond language, it has been in nature
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:36 AM
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11. The existance or absence of God has absolutely no effect on my life.
Religion, however, is something about which I have may opinions--few of them complimentary.
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:41 AM
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22. "existence"...Duh!
Yeah, I can spell.
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gpandas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:48 AM
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14. does onlooker exist?
or an illusion?
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nytemare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:39 AM
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15. The Force surrounds and binds us all
It is in the rock. The tree. Yes.




I put doubtful.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:33 AM
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19. It certainly does. Some of us are just in the habit of calling it God.
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 11:49 AM by Seabiscuit
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nytemare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:38 AM
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21. If there is a God, I don't think of it as an old bearded man
controlling everybody's destiny, carrying a staff.

I think of it more as a continuum of energy/knowlege.

I could be wrong, though!

Truth is, nobody really knows.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:43 AM
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24. That's exactly the way I see it. A unifying continuum of energy/knowledge
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 11:45 AM by Seabiscuit
...0f which everything in the universe, including us, are all a part.

It doesn't matter to me in the least that the notion isn't susceptible to scientific proof/knowledge. Science is a very useful but very limited *human* tool.
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nytemare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:06 PM
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25. Well, energy never dies
That is scientific. The just changing forms part would be where I have the question. As in death, would the changing forms mean a soul, or would it mean that the entropy of the body gives energy to other life.

:shrug:
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:18 PM
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26. Well, we don't know that "energy never dies" for certain either.
It simply never dies during our lifetimes. We merely imagine what may happen in the universe someday in the very distant future. All matter and energy could conceivably completely disappear forever.

From a scientific standpoint, all one can trace is the physical energy transforming from the living body into the decaying dead body and all the transformations in matter and energy that occur, while still preserving an equal amount of matter + energy.

I think spiritual matters involve more than physics, chemistry and biology.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:45 AM
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17. H311 y3@h!
:D
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:29 AM
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18. I believe that some higher power created all of this.
But whether or not it's a Christian God is debatable. We're more than the flesh and bones that make up our bodies. We have a soul, conscience, whatever you want to label it. You don't get that without something greater having a hand in it.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:34 AM
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20. My God is nonsectarian. Not to belittle others' beliefs. But we sure as
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 12:00 PM by Seabiscuit
hell didn't create the universe.

I don't subscribe to any organized religion.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:42 AM
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23. I don't think any religion has a corner on the truth.
It's the rigid belief in a particular religious dogma that gets so many into trouble. What I've got are ideas.
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BearClaws Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 10:35 AM
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27. Just ask Shrub!
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 10:48 AM
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28. Of course it does
God is a concept that is either real or a fantasy to most everyone. The word "God" refers to the concept, and if you acknowledge the concept then "it" exists. If you believe or not in the concept of a god, is a whole other question.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 10:54 AM
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29. God exists...but God doesn't believe in humanity anymore.
:evilfrown:
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HawkerTyphoon Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 10:03 PM
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30. Like the invisible pink unicorn...
Can't be proved or disproved, but unnecessary and fantastic.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 10:08 PM
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32. God exists in the hearts and minds of human beings
Is there anything more real than what we feel and what we think?
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 10:15 PM
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33. The answer to your question is here:
THE OFFICIAL GOD FAQ


http://www.400monkeys.com/God/
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 10:25 PM
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35. There's no God, or babies wouldn't die.
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Doubting Thomas Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:58 PM
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38. Extremely Doubtful
Wonder why?
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