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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 06:41 PM
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As far as I'm concerned, Working Assets is a crap organization!!
http://www.mbna.com/creditcards/enviro_causes.html

Sorry, until Working Assets ends their association with MBNA credit cards, the absolutely WORST credit card out there because of their massive support of the Bush administration, then personally I find this company no better than donation to Operation Rescue or the NRA.

Yeah, I know, all credit cards companies are pretty bad, but MBNA is the absolute worst of the lot, donating more money to republicans and that idiot Bush than any other company out there. Hell even the Sierra Club ended their MBNA credit card (and believe me, I bitched enough about that).

I just got an email from NARAL that I should switch my phone company to Working Assist. I'd rather eat from my cat's litter box than use any company associated with the republican whores MBNA

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/contrib.asp?ind=F06
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 06:43 PM
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1. I really thought that said "Working Asshats" at first glance.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 06:47 PM
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2. personally that's what I think they are
Believe me - I bitched enough to Sierra Club about their MBNA credit card. I'm not sure what made them discontinue it but it makes no sense to use a credit card company where you are actually helping them make more profits that they can actually use to send off to republicans.

Sure other credit card companies are bad but hell JPMorgan Chase was was like 48/52 for their donations which is almost tolerable. Better yet, just get rid of the credit card altogether
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 06:56 PM
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3. There was a rather long explanation
Edited on Mon Jun-13-05 07:01 PM by Nite Owl
from Working Assets from buyblue. I got it in an email last week, maybe longer ago. Something about the company that they were using got bought by MBNA and they couldn't do anything about it, they were locked into this deal. Not sure I really buy their explanation but they did respond with an explanation. If I still have it in the delete folder I'll post it.


Here it is:

BuyBlue Supporters,

As many of you are probably aware, BuyBlue started based on an idea over at DailyKos.com. Any time there was a discussion about credit cards either on that web site or ours it was inevitable that Working Assets came up as an alternative. It was also equally inevitable that numerous people would disagree with that recommendation because the credit card product offered by Working Assets was underwritten by MBNA, arguably one of the worst offenders in the credit industry.

Working Assets has been recommended in the past to members of MoveOn.org's mailing list and we rated them as 100% blue on our web site due to political contributions made by their executives. A lot of people still questioned the relationship with MBNA and rightly so.

When our web site started offering the ability to email companies where we had an email address on file, people would often forward those emails back to us after a company had responded. Many supporters of buying blue put the question "why use MBNA?" to Working Assets and they generally received the standard PR answer.

If you take a look at our FAQ page and read our Vision Statement, it really sums up how we saw our role here. One of the things we hope to do is be the voice of consumers and deal directly with companies and open a dialog with them on various issues which might concern our community. However, this doesn't happen unless the community speaks loud enough for the company to pay attention.

You did exactly that with Working Assets - we first received a letter from them in April. We sent them a letter back in response and we also laid out the concerns that many of you have voiced to us. I subsequently had a phone conversation with Working Assets President Michael Kieschnick.

Mr. Kieschnick recently sent me something via email for publication meant to help explain the situation with MBNA and I wanted to share that letter with everyone.

Thank you for the review of our company, Working Assets, on your website buyblue.org. I enjoyed our recent conversation and would like to add a few points to the discussion.

First, it bears noting that Working Assets sees itself as a progressive social change organization – not as a partisan company. We look at the world through issues and organizing. During the last election cycle, we were very active in nonpartisan ways – we registered well over a million new voters and found and placed 20,000 Election Day poll monitors.

Second, we have worked as a company on campaign finance reform for over a decade, and supported the legislation banning corporate soft-dollar campaign contributions (the way that MBNA made many contributions). Some of our employees on their own time and with their own money volunteer and make partisan contributions – I among them – but we as a company do not.

Third, it is the case that our donation-linked credit card is issued by MBNA, a banking organization that has been a leading contributor in many ways to the Republican Party and candidates. Fortunately, our own support of campaign finance reform will prohibit MBNA from using corporate money from making direct contributions, although it will not prohibit their executives from doing so.

We as a company also fought very hard over the years against changes in bankruptcy rules, perhaps the primary legislation goal of MBNA and other large banks.

Fourth, it is worth noting that Working Assets did not select MBNA – MBNA purchased our credit card program from Fleet Bank. Under our agreement, we cannot move the cards to another bank nor force MBNA to sell the portfolio to another bank.

Even though we did not select MBNA and have explicitly opposed their primary legislative agenda, we do believe that our program contributes significantly to progressive social change. Our credit card itself, since inception, has generated about $6 million in donations to progressive causes (all nonpartisan). This is precious money for general operating support that they great nonprofits do not have to raise, freeing them to work on the issues we all care deeply about.

Thanks for your great work at Buyblue – we share your view that millions of consumers care deeply about the implications of their spending and investing, and that knowing more can contribute to social change. I hope you can share some of this additional information as well.

Sincerely,

Michael Kieschnick
President
Working Assets



I encourage you to read and comment on this letter, but one of the more important pieces of information is clarification of the relationship with MBNA.

The fact here is that Working Assets doesn't have a choice in this relationship unfortunately. However, based on the feedback they have received from everyone, I would be willing to bet they will take this into account at such time as they can move to a new bank.

Does that answer the question "should I support Working Assets?" The answer: "that is your decision." What we have now is all of the information laid out for everyone to analyze, and we know that our concerns have been taken straight to the top. Now all of us have to make a decision that we find ourselves having to make far too often - which principle is more important?

We hope to continue to develop our relationship with Working Assets and continue to bring our concerns to them.

If you'd like to comment on this please visit the topic we have started on our web site at: http://www.buyblue.org/archives/2005/05/working_assets_1.html

Regards,

Raven Brooks
President and Chair, BuyBlue.org
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:52 PM
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4. BULLSHIT
Edited on Mon Jun-13-05 09:53 PM by LynneSin
That letter just pissed me off even more.

I fought with Sierra Club for years because of their association with MBNA and from what this letter above says it's obvious that I was probably not alone.

I know the exact timeframe that I gave a volunteer at Sierra Club my cell phone number, which btw, got sold to MBNA list. 4.5 years later there is nothing on the Sierra Club NOR MBNA about the Sierra Club credit card. I have no clue what happen, but I'm assuming that Sierra Club probably allowed their contract with MBNA to end and owners of the Sierra Club credit card were probably given options with MBNA to either select a similiar card or end their contract.

Guess what, that was 1997 when MBNA took over Fleet - 8 years ago. If Working Assets wants to make a difference and it so "Oh we're so blue it's not our fault we have MBNA as our credit card" then you know, they can stop promoting their card. This is 8 years later and they're still stuck in a contract :eyes: . So really what I don't get is that in 4.5 years Sierra Club's MBNA card is non-existant on both their website and MBNAs and yet somehow Working Asset is stuck forever with MBNA - you know, even progressive companies can be asshats taking advantage of us too!

If they want to be a true progressive company then they need to take action now and the best way to do it is to stop promoting their credit card and when the contract ends just get rid of it. Geez, you make such a big fricking deal about how you fought against the bankerupcy law so what do you do - push a fricking credit card on your customers through the one company that is the BIGGEST CREEPS in the credit card industry. How the hell does that make sense?

Be smart, tell your customers exactly when the contract ends and that you're severing the ties. You don't need a credit card promotion - if you want to be a progressive company then ditch the scam and get rid of the card.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:34 PM
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5. That's what I didn't get too
Is this some sort of lifetime contract or something? Or are they making money off this deal with the devil. Their Long distance rates aren't that good either but then I got 100 minutes free from Sprint from my son anyway so free is always good.
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