Child rapist caught by wife gets beaten by family and neighbors!

[Blue Diadem]

This POS got everything he deserved. That poor little girl. :cry:



Suspect in assault of girl, 5, is beaten
Deputies say victim raped after a party


A 48-year-old Harding Township man remained hospitalized yesterday with a fractured skull and other injuries sustained in a beating by family members and neighbors after his wife caught him sexually assaulting a 5-year-old girl at their home, Lucas County sheriff's officials said.

snip:

The sheriff's office said the girl accompanied a young adult relative to the Gonzalez house for a graduation party when the sexual assault was discovered about 2 a.m. Sunday. The girl told detectives that Mr. Gonzalez said he had a toy for her, picked her up from the family room where she and others were sleeping, and took her to a bedroom, where she was assaulted.

The girl, who was later treated at Toledo Hospital, told detectives that Mr. Gonzalez held a plastic cigarette and blew smoke into her mouth and eyes. Detectives found a pipe at the scene and are having it analyzed for drugs.

The suspect's wife, Victoria Williams-Gonzalez, awakened and did not see the girl from where she was sleeping. She looked for her and found a bedroom door barricaded from the inside. She shoved the door open and found her husband and the girl naked, Detective Mark Woodruff said.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050614/NEWS03/506140381/-1/NEWS

[kanrok]

1. I have absolutely no sympathy for this douchebag

Now prosecute him and send him to prison for a long, long, long time.

[KG]

2. right on!

thats what this country needs more of! extra-judicial punishment!

let the vigilantes ride!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

7. No, this is totally forgivable -- heat of the moment.

Now, if they had ganged up and planned to beat him when, let's say, he gets out on bail -- that'd be different.

[Shell Beau]

3. Sick bastard!

He hasn't gotten all he deserves yet. I bet his wife was disgusted and is probably wondering about their own children!

[jus_the_facts]

4. JESUS CHRIST people are beyond FUCKED UP....

:evilfrown:

[Dogmudgeon]

5. It's another DU PEDO FRENZY!

Do you folks go around looking for Pedo News or something?

--p!

[Blue Diadem]

10. It happens to be the 5th story in Toledo Blades latest news

I'm in the Toledo Blade area and have been following their fantastic reporting on the ongoing Ohio Republican scandel. This article caught my eye because the guy got caught in the act and was beat up.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=NEWS

Considering this is the first post I've ever started regarding "PEDO NEWS", I'm insulted by your comment.

[Dogmudgeon]

14. It's about the 30th pedophile-related story active on DU

Pedophilia frenzies frighten me as much as pedophilia. Sex crime frenzies are regularly used by political tyrants to keep their subjects in line.

Here's a few:

The Jews used to rape, torture, kill, and eat Gentile babies (Hitler). Rich capitalists ran sex rings that trafficked in children (Lenin). The Kuomintang sold young Chinese girls to Americans (Maoists). Americans are stealing children for sex and for body parts to be used in surgery (Kabila). The Basques/Catalonians have satanic orgies which use children (Franco).

A whole lot of lynchings were over accusations of pedophilia.

I wasn't singling you out, by the way. Scan some of the topic lists. There is so much pedomania on DU it's like a Focus On The Family message board sometimes. And fully half the messages are vile, hate-filled responses, more like Klan rhetoric than Democratic idealism. If you think that's insulting, check out similar threads on right-wing websites. Sorry, but with dozens of pedo frenzy threads active, I can't carefully consider any one particular DUer who started a particular thread.

--p!

[Blue Diadem]

16. I think what makes this story different than others is the fact

that the man was caught by his wife, the child was naked and so was he. He ran to another house to get a pair of shorts.

Most of the children that it happens to are not so fortunate to have their rapist/molester get caught in the act, much less prosecuted. If there is a prosecution, sometimes it's only a short jail term. Hardly justice for a child that has to live with it their entire life.

Are there frenzies and false allegations..of course there are. Don't let that interfere with other reality, the fact that children do get molested and raped.

[Dogmudgeon]

19. It's not the question of guilt

If the guy was smoking crack and raping a child, he is facing a long stretch of time in prison. I certainly have no problem with that.

For child rape, the prison sentence is seldom short. The short sentences are usually for things like posession of child porn, usually as part of a plea-bargain. Sometimes, the charge is "inappropriate touching", but that has to be scrutinized on a case-by-case basis. Hard-core violent acts are almost always punished severely. Again, that's the way it should be.

It's the frenzies that strike fear into my heart. The use of sexual outrage has become extremely common over the past decade or so, and it will bring us nothing but grief. There have already been some hundreds of young men who were made into "sexual predators" from being 18 and having sex with their 17 year old girlfriends; and the McMartin School case in the late 1980s was a disgrace.

Vigilence is one of the answers to the problem; but we also routinely discourage pedophiles from seeking treatment before a crime is commited. Jesse Timmendequas, who murdered Megan Kanka ("Megan's Law") repeatedly sought help before he raped and killed Kanka. Our current methods for dealing with pedophilia and child rape are almost completely reactive. The new lawmakers' fad is to create "No-Pedophile Zones" which segregate convicted sex offenders into de facto ghettos -- frequently in poorer neighborhoods with high concentrations of children.

When outrage replaces vigilence and good public safety planning, it's only a matter of time before the noose closes around an innocent neck -- and during the wait, our society will have sunk into another, deeper layer of muck. It's not that my heart bleeds for the criminal, it's that I don't want my society to turn into a high-tech troop of violent baboons.

--p!

[redqueen]

20. How do we routinely discourage pedophiles from seeking treatment?

Please explain.

[Blue Diadem]

21. You're letting some situations cloud your outlook.

This is one situation that turned violent. Most do not and you know as well as I do that many child molesters and rapists walk freely in society, their victims too frightened or traumatized to speak out.

You seriously sound like you're on the side of the perpetrator, of which I can never understand. Children are our most vulnerable in society..if we don't protect them who will?

[BikeWriter]

18. So what's your point? It's normal and natural to defend abused children.

[RPM]

31. and there are legal standards to how far that defense may reach

for one's defense to be lawful it must comply to those standards...

[dr.strangelove]

6. I can't support vigilante justice in any case

Child abuse, especially child sexual abuse, is so disgusting a crime it often makes me forget why we have a system of law. However, it certainly is plausible that an adult can use a child to fabricate charges of sexual abuse. I am certainly not saying that is what happened here, nor do I believe that is what happened in the Michael Jackson trial. I do believe that such an action is plausible. This is why whenever someone is believed to have committed a crime, bystanders should detain the person until the police arrive. If this man did sexually abuse a young girl, and he was caught in the act, the forensic evidence alone, no tot mention the eye witness testimony, would be almost impossible to overcome.

Lets let the police and justice system do their jobs, sort out what happened, and distribute the punishment dictated by elected legislatures, elected judges and those that appoint/hire non-elected judges and police personnel.

[Shell Beau]

9. Well I can say that If I saw someone

abusing my child (or another child for that matter), I don't know what I would do, but I can assure you it wouldn't be pretty.

[dr.strangelove]

13. Sure

That's fine. Most local prosecutors would choose not to bring charges against you. This is how the political process lets the citizen's decide what should and should not be prosecuted. If a DA brought charges on you for this, I would run against him with this being the sole issue, and I bet I would get 90% of the vote.

However, if it was discovered in the police investigation that there was no abuse, and you set the whole thing up to cover your act of violence against someone, you should be punished to the full extent of the law.

I've been a lawyer for 6 years now, so I am not vastly experienced in these matters, but I do a fair amount of indigent criminal defense work, and have tried probably over a hundred sexual assault types cases (of various charges from statutory rape to rape I). I have never heard of charges being brought against a parent who caught someone abusing their child who reacted with violence. If you were charged, I am sure I would be among hundreds of defense lawyers who would represent you for free. To be honest, you would have your choice of the top lawyers in the country for this type of action. I can safely say it would be a case I would feel very comfortable defending.

I understand your position. I may react the same way if it were my child. I just don't think people who find someone on the street accused of a crime should assume it is true.

[Shell Beau]

15. Absolutely. I agree.

But if you caught someone in the act, that is different. Because you are taken over by shock and emotion. I am not saying I wouldn't be responsible for my actions, but it is certainly understandable.

[mark414]

24. it's easy to say that

until you find yourself in a similar situation

i don't have kids but i do know that if i walked in on someone raping one of my little cousins, the last thing on my mind would be "okay, you should really stop that. now wait out in the living room for the cops to come."

about a month ago a friend of mine was sitting out on his porch late late at night (or early in the morning) and heard a girl screaming because she was about to be assaulted. a couple other guys from other houses on the street heard it as well and they beat the shit out of the guy. should they have just waited for the cops to come (who, btw, never even showed up, despite my friend telling them that a girl was getting raped)?

[RPM]

25. that is OK - if you catch the person in the act.

However, if the act is complete, beating the shit out of the person is unacceptable.

Once this person was separated from the child and the child protected and all of the other people joined in this became an unlawful use of excessive force. Unacceptable.

[mark414]

27. he WAS caught in the act

the dude's wife opened the door and found them both naked

we'll see what you say if YOU find yourself in a similar situation

[RPM]

29. and the act ended.

the continued pursuit and addition of multiple, and likely unnecessary, persons to the attack wass out of bounds.

What would happen if it happened in my case is irrelevant.

[mark414]

30. you were the one who brought it up

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=3448359&mesg_id=3450099

[RPM]

32. well - if the fascists don't like you...

it seems to be OK by your logic - especially if they are very mad at you!

[mark414]

34. huh?

i don't think it's ok to beat someone up because you don't like them. i have no problem with someone beating up another because they molested a child they love if that person is caught in the act. that's all i'm saying; dude got what he deserved.

[RPM]

35. you think he deserved it...

If the repubbies decide tomorrow that they dont like gays because they are "harming their children" with their immoral lifestyle, would it be OK to go savage gay people.

I hope your answer is no.

The point is - who deserves to be beaten within an inch of his life is not a choice people should be able to casually exercise. Such a deprivation of liberty can only be fairly doled out through the cautious and procedurally correct adminstration of justice.

What he deserved was to be arrested and tried in a court of law (and hopefully convicted).

[mark414]

36. wtf?

you are stretching "my logic" pretty far

he was caught in the act! that's what i said! learn how to read!

[RPM]

37. learn what the law says - this was probably a vigilante attack

condoning vigilantism only results in the broader acceptance of a lawless act.

I can read just fine, thank you.

[Shell Beau]

38. How can you compare the two?

Molesting a child to having a gay parent? No comparison whatsoever!

[RPM]

40. reread it

it was a hypothetical situation in which right wing jackboots rough up gay people because (as the RW puts it) their immoral lifestyle corrupts their children....

If you don't get it then substitute political view for sexual preference and maybe you will get it then...

[Shell Beau]

41. But you are using a hypothetical situation and comparing

it to a real situation. Most people are not that levelheaded that they can control their anger when they see a child being harmed much less in a sexually perverted way. Call me a vigilante or whatever, but if that were my child, I would beat the hell out of them and they would deserve it plus some!

[RPM]

42. "people are not that levelheaded"

which is exactly why vigilantism is frowned upon. At least the witches got sham trials at salem.

[Shell Beau]

44. Levelheaded when it comes to molesting a child and levelheaded

when making an everyday decision are a little different and I am disappointed that you don't see that. And comparing molesters caught in the act to witches who presumably did nothing wrong is not exactly levelheaded.

[RPM]

45. so you are willing to play down to the molester's level?

Since he is a 'bad' person he can be treated badly?

At the end of the day - force in excess of that to end the molestor's attack is unlawful. So I doubt they nbeeded to crack his skull and bring more people into the fight once he was separated from the victim.

Sorry - legal and constitutional protections still apply to the child molestor - including the legal protection from the use of excessive force by persons defending the child.

Then again, in Bush's amerikkka, i can see why you would be so foolish as to think that 'bad' people shouldn't get legal and constitutional protections - i guess you are probably pleased with the situation at Gitmo too...

[Shell Beau]

48. Okay you are going way off track here. Way off!!!

This man was caught in the act. He was caught red handed. I never said he didn't deserve to have his day in court. I never said he should be denied any constitutional rights. But what I am saying is that his punishment would start with me if it were my child. When it comes to your own flesh and blood, the first thing that pops into your head isn't usually the constitution or the rights of this sick child molester sitting in front of you. He can have his day in court and have all his wonderful rights, but he will still deal with me first and if he doesn't like it, he could've have thought about that before he violated the child's rights and probably scarred her for life. Fuck him and his rights! You reap what you sow. If I have to go to jail for that, then fine, so be it.

As far as the rest of the shit you wrote, all I have to say is that you tend to take things a little off course and way out there. And to call me foolish, well, all I can say is I am glad I am not your child.

[RPM]

50. "his punishment would start with me" - thats the problem

the force you are permitted to use to defend your child is limited to the force needed to end the attack. Anything past that is unlawful.

All that other stuff popping into your head will be mitigating factors (reducing your sentence) rather than entitling you to an absolute defense. A lot of good you would do your child from prison.

"Fuck him and his rights! You reap what you sow." - that kind of attitude is how everyone loses their rights.

If you choose to act unlawfully you are foolish. And if you choose to be an unlawful hooligan, then I am glad you are not my child.

[Shell Beau]

51. I wouldn't call me a hooligan, just someone who

would protect my child no matter what. If someone is molesting them you better believe I will step in. I care about the rights of everyone, but you'd be a fool to believe any parent of an injured, molested child would be oh so concerned about the violator's rights at that time. I am sure that the parents of kidnapped and assaulted children hope that the assailant gets all of his rights. Only when you can separate yourself from the situation and not have an emotional attachment can you really ever be a fair citizen. This is getting ridiculous and I guess we are all hooligans b/c many have said they would react the same way. Call me what you will, but I'd protect my children to the death of me.

[Rabrrrrrr]

52. RPM, you are the voice of reason in this sub-thread.

Kudos to you!

Too bad others don't realize that once the criminal is separated from the victim, any more force then becomes just as illegal and immoral as the abuse the criminal was doing.

And good analogy earlier with the homosexual thing - saying that a pedophile deserves to be judged and lynched by the mob IS the same as the fundy freak fucks saying a homosexual deserves to be judged and lynched by a mob.

We can't use the tactics of the people we are against - constitutional and fair protection for all people, or for no one. There is no inbetween.

[Shell Beau]

55. Who said he should be judged and lynched by the mob?

I said if I caught him, he be judged by me!! It may do no good to beat the shit out of him, but so what. What good did it do to molest the child? He got his satisfaction, I'll get mine. He should get a fair trial, as any other person should. But when I am the parent involved, my feelings and emotions may not be that of the fair justice sysmtem. I may not see anything as being fair. But I, outside of this case, try my very best to make good decisions and do what is legal and right. Emotionally attached people are never part of the jury for this very reason. I am separating the two, you are not.

[NashVegas]

8. Kudos to the Wife

For choosing not to cover up for him.

Opponents of vigillante justice may disapprove, but my, what a message to send to that little girl.

[mcscajun]

11. The assault on the pedophile is understandable,

but it cannot be condoned. Our system of law is not there just to protect the offender, but to protect us from the results of our own visceral reactions. Vigilantism is never something to applaud.

It's perfectly understandable that the wife and other adults beat on this guy. It's perfectly understandable that he denies being assaulted, because then he'd have to own up to the reason why.

So, he denies the assault, and bystanders deny knowledge of the assault, and the only one charged is the child-rapist. Sounds about normal...and I'm crying no tears for the bastard. If the police can prove the assault on this guy, someone might be charged for it. That'd be the right thing; but realistically, I know the police aren't exactly going to knock themselves out to prove something the victim denies, when the victim has committed a far worse crime.

[RPM]

26. I applaud you

Someone here gets it...

[CornField]

12. More power to them

I've always said that if someone did such things to any of my children, that person better pray that the police catch them before I do. I'm not a violent person by any means. Still, I have no doubt that I could send a powerful message to anyone who hurt my children.

[RPM]

28. and you would rot in prison with the offender...

... as soon as the force you used was excessive in relation to the threat and/or the threat had ended.

Both were the case here:
1. the use of deadly force here was unnecessary unless someone reasonably believed that he was going to kill the child (legally lethal force (a gang of people beating ones skull in - is probably over the top, though no jury would see it that way)

2. He was separated from the child and the child was safely away from him - this type of attack after the original attack had ended is out of bounds.

[CornField]

58. I would *not* rot in prison with the offender

I think you completely misunderstood me. The 'offender' would no longer be of this world. Frankly, I don't know where any court could find 12 jurors who would convict me, but if it happened, so be it.

[mondo joe]

17. Just think - if he were Michael Jackson his worshippers would now be

decrying this vigilante attack.

[philosophie_en_rose]

22. There is no unreasonable reaction in that situation.

The family did not premeditate the beating. They caught that bastard in the act. What could they do, but interfere?

I don't support vigilante justice, but they had an obligation to protect the girl and to ensure that the rapist could not harm anyone. The family should not be blamed for their reaction to an immediate assault on a little girl.

[RPM]

23. Hooray for Vigilante Justice

Sure beats Due Process, huh folks?

Will you say the same when the ** Mob comes for you?

[Lars39]

33. Sounds like the wife suspected him.

I guess she thought she could get there in time. :(

[48pan]

39. Way to go!

Is he still alive?

[MrSlayer]

43. Good, it's a shame they didn't kill him.

I certainly would have. What a fucking piece of dog shit.

[Beware the Beast Man]

46. I fancy myself a compassionate, fair, level-headed person.

But if I catch someone in the act of molesting child, I'm going to fuck them up, no questions asked. Sorry if it's not the "progressive" thing to do. I believe pedophiles can and should be rehabilitated, but they deserve what is coming to them.

[RPM]

47. are you doing it to end the attack or to punish the person?

there is a subtle legal difference...

[Beware the Beast Man]

49. Both.

I see you enjoy playing the contrarian on this thread (and don't act like you're not), so I'm not going to argue the point any further: yes, I would probably beat them senseless. It would be knee-jerk, but satisfying. No child deserves to be put through such physical or emotional hell. Ever.

[Shell Beau]

53. Thank you! Someone who is not trying to protect

the sick bastard. I'd be proud to have you as my papa!

On edit, I still think that every criminal or accused person should have a fair trial!!! Just to clarify myself for those who are misunderstanding and misconstruing what I am saying!

[Beware the Beast Man]

54. Let me clarify.

He should be protected in the eyes of the law, given proper representation, and a fair trial. As far as being caught in the act by a fellow civilian, however, all bets are off. That's all I'm saying.

[Shell Beau]

56. That is what I am saying too!

I can look outside of this because I have no connections to this case. So I can see that he deserves fairness as all Americans do, but if it were my child, that is the point where I become a parent and rights and all of that are out the window for me. I obviously wouldn't be a fair judge of him. What parent would? But seeing someone molest my child, I would not be thinking about protecting them whatsoever. I may react irrationally at that moment, but I think that is what makes me normal.

[Blue Diadem]

57. This man is HIV positive

The Mother of an alleged rape victim speaks
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The mother of a five year old girl who deputies say was raped says she never thought something like this would ever happen.

If that wasn't horrible enough the mother just learned the guy deputies believe raped her daughter is HIV positive.



“I started screaming oh my God you've got to be kidding me.”



This was the reaction of the mother of the victim when she found out her child may have been exposed to the deadly disease
http://www.foxtoledo.com/index.cfm?action=dsp_story&storyid=70551