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Thu Jun-16-05 02:41 PM
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Mortified and traumatized - please hold me. (warning-graphic content) |
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I heard a ruckus coming from the back yard so I went and looked out the window. Crows had found a nest of baby bunnies. I watched one crow peck a struggling baby bunny to death. Another crow flew by with a wriggling, bloody bunny carcass in its beak.
The mother rabbit showed up in my backyard, obviously on high alert, listening to sounds from the yard next door. She suddenly bolted, zipped under the fence, and chased off the crows. She was too late, though. And now she is sitting in the middle of the neighbor's back yard, where the nest used to be, sniffing the air and pawing the ground and breaking my heart. :cry:
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Thu Jun-16-05 02:42 PM
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:hug:
Nature can be brutal sometimes....
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Thu Jun-16-05 02:46 PM
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Yeah. Nature can be brutal. :cry:
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Thu Jun-16-05 02:42 PM
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Thu Jun-16-05 02:43 PM
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3. Don't fret. Those things multiply like..... |
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Thu Jun-16-05 02:43 PM
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4. Sad, but that's the nature of things |
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I have been in situations where it killed me to watch nature take it's course.
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Thu Jun-16-05 02:45 PM
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It sucks to see that shit happen in front of your eyes! Crows can be vicious too!
On a lighther note, the rate at which bunnies do the deed, the mama will have some new ones shortly!
Here have a hug!!:pals: :hug:
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Thu Jun-16-05 02:54 PM
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17. right, babies are replaceable... |
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no animals have feelings or brains or anything like that, probably not even nerves so I'm sure the baby bunnies didn't feel a thing, the mother is just going through her robotic grieving process.... ie, in other words, could your answer BE any more insensitive?
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Thu Jun-16-05 02:56 PM
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19. I actually thought Shell's response was sweet. |
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But yours is too. Thanks for understanding why I am so worked up about this. :hug:
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:04 PM
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28. Thank you! It was certainly meant to be sweet! |
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I only cry in movies when animals are hurt or injured, so I know it must be tough to witness the real thing! I was just trying to make you laugh!! I know you understand! :hug:
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:03 PM
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25. Oh! Please! I was trying to lift her spirits. |
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Sometimes laughter is good for the soul! You know the joke about rabbits multiplying? I wasn't insinuating anything that your post suggests. Get over yourself!
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Thu Jun-16-05 02:45 PM
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6. Life in the animal kingdom |
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sucks sometimes, doesn't it?
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Thu Jun-16-05 02:46 PM
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:00 PM
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22. I'll let you have the next one |
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Thu Jun-16-05 02:46 PM
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7. All predatory species should cease to exist. |
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They kill all the nice ones. :cry:
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Thu Jun-16-05 02:47 PM
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I just wish it didn't happen to bunnies. x(
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:49 PM
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48. or kittens, or baby harp seals |
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every animal is prey for something. Sad and I wish we didn't see it
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Thu Jun-16-05 02:46 PM
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:hug:
Such is the law of the jungle. But still...
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Thu Jun-16-05 02:47 PM
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12. My dear progmom...... |
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How horrible...never mind that this is how nature is, some of the time. It is too much for us to absorb. I'm so sorry that you had to witness these horrible deaths.
Wish I could be there to deliver these hugs in person: :hug: :hug:
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Thu Jun-16-05 02:48 PM
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the virtual hugs helped too. :hug:
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Thu Jun-16-05 02:53 PM
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Take care, Jessica.....:loveya:
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Thu Jun-16-05 02:53 PM
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15. Sorry you had to see that... |
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Thu Jun-16-05 02:54 PM
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16. Ohhhh....that's so sad. |
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I know that sort of thing happens, but witnessing it must have been difficult.
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Thu Jun-16-05 02:58 PM
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20. I wanted to help...but by the time I realized what was happening... |
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it was long past too late. :cry:
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Thu Jun-16-05 02:55 PM
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18. OHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! |
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:02 PM
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i'm so sad. :cry:
watching the mother bunny now is tearing my heart out.
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:03 PM
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27. I have no idea what I'd do if I saw that.... |
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:hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug:
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Thu Jun-16-05 02:59 PM
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I would feel traumatized if I witnessed that - consider yourself hugged!
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:03 PM
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26. What about the poor struggling baby crows? |
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Don't they have a right to live too?
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:06 PM
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29. devil's advocate? sick humor? |
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:08 PM
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32. It is called a Murder of Crows... |
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:10 PM
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35. holy shit - you're right |
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What an awful thing to see! :cry: :hug:
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:09 PM
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I'm sorry, but it's the one animal I HATE.
They are so mean, and gang up on other animals, including hawks and owls.
I've never heard of them killing rabbits. How sad.
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:09 PM
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did she only have one baby bunny
:hug: sorry you had to see that
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:10 PM
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37. i saw at least three get killed |
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:15 PM
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41. that may be all of her babies |
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:10 PM
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36. That was really hard to read. |
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I'm so sorry you had to see that. I'd be freaking out, too.
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:11 PM
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38. Should I put a warning on it? |
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I clicked at my own risk.
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:14 PM
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I hate to see things like that happening. (And I cohabit with cats, so I know all too well about Nature red of tooth and claw...)
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:15 PM
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Nature is scary sometimes. :hug:
There's nothing you can do about this. Let it go.
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:18 PM
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43. Was this the same bunny family that suffered the earlier loss? |
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A few weeks ago?
What a terrible thing to see. Nature is rough sometimes.
:hug: :loveya:
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:24 PM
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Since the mommy bunny was in our back yard, I do think it might be the same ones.
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:45 PM
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46. I saw something similiar on a TV show about wild horses |
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Edited on Thu Jun-16-05 03:48 PM by rocknation
A woman was following and filming and herd of wild horses. One of them gave birth, but for some reason, the baby couldn't get on its feet. The alpha male horse poked and prodded at the baby with no results. After a pause, he grabbed the baby by the neck and slammed it on the ground a several times.
I realize now that what made it particularly shocking is that it's not behavior you associate with horses. But at the same time, I understood it--a lame horse would have slowed the herd up, and allowing it to breed might spread the baby's disease.
:grouphug: rocknation
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:47 PM
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that is terrible :(
maybe we are so destructive because killing is a part of nature? :shrug:
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Thu Jun-16-05 03:51 PM
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49. One time when I was 14 or so... |
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I was over at my friends house and we were watching a mother duck take her ducklings for a swim across a pond. Out of nowhere a snapping turtle exploded out of no where and took the last duckling in the line.
Interestingly, as teenage boys, we had essentially the complete opposite opinion on watching nature happen right in front of us.
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Thu Jun-16-05 04:18 PM
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50. Sorry you had to see that, progmom. |
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Thu Jun-16-05 04:54 PM
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This is going to sound cruel.
It's not a good thing to sentimentalize about animals in nature. There is so much "brutal" death in nature that you could easily drive yourself insane with grief contemplating it. Neither you nor the animals are helped by it.
I know that most of us have a heightened sense of empathy when it comes to animals. That sense of empathy keeps us from inflicting brutality on animals and other humans. But it can also lead to despair.
Animals are not human babies. Even infant animals are not human babies. Sentimentality does not lead to respect for nature, it just compounds the pain. Those infant rabbits -- not "bunnies" but rabbits -- did not die by malice, and no emotionalizing went into the process. It hurt. They died. A tragedy in human terms, but normal -- good, even -- in natural terms.
Perhaps it's because nature is so brutal that humans developed civilization to reduce that brutality among ourselves. Many of us, anyway. Hopefully.
The dead rabbits gave us a gift with their deaths. They showed us the power and unfathomability of nature. That's not too common these days, when we humans segregate and separate ourselves from nature. No sterile travelogue, no airy veneration of Mother Earth, no close-up photography of what the wiseacres call "bugs fucking to Mozart" can ever hope to rival the terrible majesty you inadvertantly witnessed.
So dry your tears, and open the dead rabbits' gift.
--p!
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Fri Jun-17-05 10:44 PM
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62. Those horses definitely gave me a "gift" |
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I probably wouldn't have been as shocked if the horses had been lions or even some kind of primate--after all, they're "wild" animals! My gift is that now I know better, and I'm grateful to the cinematographer for not sugarcoating the scene with "sterile travelouge".
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Fri Jun-17-05 10:50 PM
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64. by "sentimentality," do you mean favoritism of "useful" animals |
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or opposition to Ted Nugent's "kill everything"?
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Sat Jun-18-05 03:46 PM
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70. Sentimentality and animals |
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I'm not certain what question you have, so I'll wing it.
"Sentimentality" is when a person develops deep emotional human attachment to animals. It usually causes a lot of pain to the human. The animal is clueless to that pain. Animals are just different, and we seldom respect that difference.
I don't think it's wrong to love your pets, but they're not human. They're not one's "babies". That's sentimentalizing. The animals don't understand it, but they do like the attention and care they get. But it can be very painful for the sentimentalist, especially when a beloved pet dies or runs away. To understand them as a different life-form with a different path in life (and death) would help keep a high level of sanity with no less love for the animal.
Obviously, none of this means that animal abuse, torture, or modern meat production practices should be condoned. And it does get into some ethical thickets. But a healthy understanding of animals as being both lovable and loving, and not necessarily in human terms, is a good place to start.
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I go wholly by a critter's intellect when considering them--even if that "critter" is human. I just don't get species suprematism...
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Thu Jun-16-05 04:56 PM
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52. My sentimentality is different. |
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Edited on Thu Jun-16-05 04:57 PM by whoisalhedges
Whereas I would not choose to witness what you did, I would be far more troubled to see a bunch of rabbits killing baby crows.
edit: the crows likely took the rabbit carcasses back to the nests in order to feed their own babies. THE CIRCLE OF LIFE....
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Thu Jun-16-05 06:29 PM
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I am a lot cooler about the circle of life when it doesn't involve animals that look just like my pets. :(
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Fri Jun-17-05 11:03 PM
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now I have that dumb Disney song in my head.
Grrrr.
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Thu Jun-16-05 04:58 PM
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Nature can be so ugly sometimes. Poor Momma bunny..I feel sorry for her..and am sorry you had to witness that.
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I witnessed crows rampage a robins nest last spring, and all the mother and father robins could do is watch....
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Thu Jun-16-05 05:01 PM
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:hug:
I understand your hurt; it's one thing to know about "nature, red in tooth and claw" but another to bear unanticipated witness to it.
I had a similar experience once involving a heron, baby ducks and a mamma duck.
I hope you're feeling a bit better by now. :hug:
:hi:
ps - liking Kite so far.
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one of my very few vivid memories from early childhood, is seeing a dog attack a little bunny rabbit, as a frightened mother watched on... i remember chasing the dog away and the little one ran back to its mother bloody and scared... not sure if it ever survived, but it certainly did in my memory.
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Thu Jun-16-05 05:13 PM
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57. that bunny should be indicted for negligence. |
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probably out swinging at the bunny bar. and if she was out digging up carrots or what not that's no excuse either - she should've hired a bunny sitter.
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I've watched the local hawks carry off little squirrels. Nature can be so brutal. :cry:
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have been interested in getting a pup to replace a recently lost family dog - but we have some Hawks/Merlins that spend a couple of months a year in our trees - and we know that the scene you describe is quite possible. :-(
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Fri Jun-17-05 10:54 PM
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65. I found a baby bunny that was in my yard last year |
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that was obviously dying. I got it some water and put it as close to it as I dared, then called some local vets to see if I could bring it in. All of them said no, just let nature take it's course. Broke my heart! :cry:
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I once saw a squirrel maul a chipmunk, and that was pretty shocking. And rabbits are known to tear things up pretty badly (each other, and also their young, in extreme moments of stress). Ugly thing to see however you look at it. :(
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Fri Jun-17-05 11:20 PM
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69. The rabbits died so the crows could live... |
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... and the crows will grow up and be eaten by birds of prey, or die of old age. Eventually decomposers will break them down too to provide nutrients to the plants to feed more rabbits.
I'm afraid I've been desensitized by years of nature books and animal planet...
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Sat Jun-18-05 04:17 PM
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72. here's a really insensitive way of looking at this: |
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Bunnies are disposable, giving their incredible reproduction rate. Sorry, I had to say that :\
I feel you though! Watching thigns die succccccks :(
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