Anybody else think that Batman had more political undertone than Star Wars

[Hippo_Tron]

This got buried in GD so I thought that I'd repost in the lounge.

Maybe I think this because Batman was a much better movie, but I thought there was some great political commentary in it.

Bruce Wayne's dad although the wealthiest man in the city, dedicates most of his life helping others. He is seen as a superior moral figure because of it.

That part where Bruce and Rachel are arguing about the impartial criminal justice system and the difference between justice and revenge. And there's the part when Bruce refuses to behead the guy saying, "I'll fight for justice, but I'm no executioner."

And then of course there's the part where Morgan Freeman's character is showing Bruce the armor and Bruce asks "Why didn't it go on the market," and he replies, "Nobody thinks that a soldier's life is worth 300 grand." Anybody think that sounds familiar, or is it just me?

Oh yea and any movie that somehow manages to quote Franklin Roosevelet's first inaugural address is awesome.

Somehow I think that Christopher Nolan didn't vote for George Bush last November, but that's just me.

[RPM]

1. what was the quite from FDR? n/t

[Hippo_Tron]

5. When scarecrow is riding on the horse...

He says, "There is nothing to fear, but fear itself." It's not the EXACT quote, but it's pretty close.

[Darth_Kitten]

2. I don't know, haven't seen Batman yet!!

though I plan to.


:)Interesting points you make. :)

[MindPilot]

3. Agreed 110%! Here's what i posted a couple days ago

"Best Batman movie by far! It really captures Batman’s dark, gritty past and the rage that fuels his hatred of injustice. I think Michael Cain as Alfred was some awesome casting and he of course is an integral part of Batman as his anchor. The movie also speaks to social issues and the high-level powers that nurture corruption. It is actually very topical in its treatment of fear and how those same high-level powers use fear to control and manipulate the masses. Down at the personal level, the movie shows how fear is weakness, and when someone or something makes you afraid, they draw power from you. There were so many parallels to the current administration, I am beginning to think Gotham is more than a fictional city; it is a metaphor for the country. The big battle is not over the destruction of the corruption and the corrupt but how to accomplish that. Do you root out the evil, or destroy the village to save it?

For me, I had an epiphany watching the movie. Ever since I was old enough to read, Batman has been my favorite superhero. He doesn’t have any superpowers; he is just a man; he makes his own stuff; the Batcave is a big messy workshop, and I think even as a kid I identified with his burning rage at injustice, hypocrisy and dishonesty. Batman may be--at least in part--responsible my hatred and burning rage at injustice, hypocrisy and dishonesty especially as it applies to this current administration and all the evil they’ve brought to the world.

I rarely go to movie theaters because there is always someone there the help ruin it. Tonight was no exception; someone brought a couple of toddlers. There were also a passel of kids in the back row who didn’t seem to understand they weren’t in their living room. I need to see it again on DVD so I can hear everything."

[Hippo_Tron]

8. I had to see it twice because the sound sucked the first time

I missed some pretty critical lines that all pretty much came together when I saw it again.

But anyway, Christpher Nolan should definately be nominated for an Oscar. I also think that Liam Neeson should be nominated for one as well, I thought his performance was absolutely incredible.

[MindPilot]

4. And that Headline!!!

"Drunken Billionaire Burns Down Own House"

[Enraged_Ape]

11. I laughed out loud at that!!!

Just one gem in a treasure of a movie.

Easily the best superhero movie EVER.

[matt819]

6. Language is important

Take a look at how you phased your third sentence:

"Bruce Wayne's dad although the wealthiest man in the city, dedicates most of his life helping others. He is seen as a superior moral figure because of it."

Isn't it interesting that you (we?) assume that one dedicates his life to helping others despite his wealth rather than because of it. I'm not saying you're wrong. Sadly, this is what we've come to expect in America in the early 21st century.

[Hippo_Tron]

7. Believe it or not, that was actually a Freudian slip on my part

Which proves what you are saying or not. Subconsciously, we associate wealth with greed and any wealthy person who acts in a charitable manner is out of the ordinary. I disagree with you on the idea that this is a 21st century thing. I think that more or less, the vast majority of people with great wealth (especially in America), have had little interest in others. Sure, there are absolutely exceptions. Wealthy families were some of the greatest advocates of reform during the Progressive era. The Roosevelts and the Kennedys felt obligated to serve others and serve their country. I'll agree though, that we see fewer of these charitable wealthy figures in today's society.

[Bucky]

9. No it wasn't. A freudian slip is when you say....

...you're going to the beach for some breast and relaxation.

[Hippo_Tron]

10. LMAO

[AllyCat]

12. yes!

"And then of course there's the part where Morgan Freeman's character is showing Bruce the armor and Bruce asks "Why didn't it go on the market," and he replies, "Nobody thinks that a soldier's life is worth 300 grand." Anybody think that sounds familiar, or is it just me?"

Fiance and I looked at each other and said "or worth $600 these days". Haven't seen SW3 yet, but we thought Batman made some serious remarks against the human error we are now experiencing with this, ummm, uhh,, pResident".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=3480969&mesg_id=3480969

[gulfcoastliberal]

13. I wasn't planning on seeing it; I think that all the constant...

re-hashing of old movies is a hallmark of the decline of our civilization. But if my fellow DUers like it, I'm gonna have to check it out. Wonder if the next Superman will have some political overtones, a la Christopher Reeve?