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caty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 08:32 PM
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Who thinks Bob Hope was as great an American as most politicians?
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 08:37 PM
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1. I can't say I have an opinion on how much of a Great American he was.
But I think he is one of the least funny comedians I've ever seen. :shrug:
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Lannes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 08:39 PM
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3. Hope was hilarious
In his "Road" movies with Bing Crosby and made a few funny ones in the 50s but he wasnt funny for the 50 or so years after that.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 08:38 PM
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2. He certainly cared more about the troops ...
than most politicians!

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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 08:40 PM
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4. that was his guilt for dodging out of WWI
or so it has been posited.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 08:53 PM
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7. Really?
I never heard that before.

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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:09 PM
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19. Bob Hope was born in 1903, if I remember correctly
He would have been 15 on Armistice Day.
John
I don't think he was particularly funny, either -- but he wasn't a draft dodger.
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micrometer_50 Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:26 PM
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12. Yes, that's why I like him.
His politics were objectionable to me, but his support of the
troops has not been surpassed.
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 08:40 PM
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5. I just never "got" Bob Hope
He reminded me of a mean drunk,whose just had that one drink that got his Mean on for the night.
Snide.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:57 PM
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18. Me neither. And my impression exactly.
My mother was a mean drunk. She laughed at all his jokes like she was just laughing compulsively from drink - I could never understand why she was laughing. Nothing at all funny about the man.
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 08:40 PM
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6. Dupe
Edited on Mon Jun-20-05 08:42 PM by sheeptramp
Fast trigger finger
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 08:54 PM
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8. Bob hope was like most politicians....
a politician himself. He was the voice of the government, and he got young men and women to sign up to die in foreign lands. Great American? My grandfather was a great American. After fighting in WWI, losing a son in WWII, white people looked at him and called him 'spick' and denied him the right to housing.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 08:55 PM
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9. Here's Bob Hope at his best:
Edited on Mon Jun-20-05 09:22 PM by pnorman
Bob Hope's Christmas 1944 Broadcast to the U.S. Merchant Marine Everywhere

Featuring Bob Hope and the crew of an American merchant vessel, steam up and ready to leave for a Pacific fighting front, an outstanding radio program was presented over the NBC coast-to-coast network at 11:30 AM on Saturday, December 23, 1944 under the auspices of the United Seamen's Service. It was arranged by A. B. Larsen, USS West Coast Publicity Representative.

The broadcast was opened with Bob Hope speaking from the NBC Studio, switched to an American merchant vessel somewhere on the Pacific coast and then presented conversations between Hope and members of the crew. It closed with the ship's departure. At intervals during the broadcast the voices of carol singers could be heard. Through arrangements made by the USS, the singers moved around a West Coast harbor in a motor launch during the holiday season, singing for the crews of the various ships in the port.

Bob Hope's introduction follows:

"This is Bob Hope speaking to you from Hollywood. Three days from now we'll be celebrating Christmas here in the United States. We'll gather around Christmas trees with our children and exchange presents with those we love. Merry Christmas with stars on the Christmas tree and stars in the eyes of our kids.... and stars in the windows of our homes. Blue stars for those still at home. Gold for the men who'll be spending Christmas with God. And silver stars for the ones over there, like the boys I'm going to introduce to you in a moment.
They're Z-men. Did you ever hear of Z-men? Sounds like a gag, doesn't it? Well, it isn't. Z-men are the guys without whom General "Ike's" army and Admiral Nimitz' navy couldn't live. Five thousand seven hundred of them have died from enemy torpedoes, mines, bombs or bullets since our zero hour at Pearl Harbor.

Z-men are the men of the Merchant Marine. They carry a big wad of identification papers in a book called a Z book, so they call them Z-men. They're union men, too. They work for scale. Yeah, scale! Joe Squires worked for scale. He was a seaman on the S. S. Maiden Creek. He and Hal Whitney, the deck engineer, stayed aboard to handle the lines so the rest of the crew could get away before the Maiden Creek sank under waves thirty feet high. The crew was saved. They never saw Joe or Hal again. Did anyone ever make a wage scale big enough to pay for a man's life? Joe and Hal gave theirs voluntarily. So did 5,698 others. Did anyone ever devise a scale big enough to make men brave?

Listen, it takes nerve to go to work in a hot engine room, never knowing when a torpedo might smash the hull above you and send thousands of tons of sea water in to snuff out your life. It takes courage to sail into the waters of an enemy barbaric enough to tie your hands and feet and submerge you so you can drown, like a rat, without a fight. It takes courage to man an ammunition ship after you heard how Nazi bombers blew up 17 shiploads of ammunition at Bari and not a man was ever found of the crews. I was there about that time. I'll never forget it. Neither will men like Admiral King, who said, "The Navy shares life and death, attack and victory with the men of the U. S. Merchant Marine." Yeah, it's Merry Christmas Monday for a lot of us except the boys of the Army, Navy and Merchant Marine. Our Z-men will be on the high seas or in ports far away from home, like a crew you're going to meet right now.

Before this program is over you'll hear their ship leaving with another cargo for the war zone, a cargo like 500,000 tons of vital supplies and the 30,000 troops the Merchant Marine delivered for General MacArthur in the first three weeks on Leyte. Like the 70,000,000 tons it delivered to all the fighting fronts in 1944. Seventy million tons! Ninety percent of all the war supplies we used all over the world. These boys won't be in the United States for Christmas. so the USS - United Seamen's Service - is providing them with an early Christmas party which we're all invited to attend."

At this point Val Brown, NBC announcer, picked up the program from the flying bridge of the Liberty Ship. Gathered around him, near some of the guns manned by the Navy crews that guard these Liberty Ships, were some 42 Z-men, members of the crew and some of the 26 sailors who were gunners. They were having an early Christmas party because, in a few minutes, they were due to leave for the war zone with a vital cargo. The USS had provided gifts and a Santa Claus. Overhead was what in sea language is called a Christmas tree -- a pole 15 feet high with cross bars resembling branches. At the end of each branch was a red, green or white light used for signaling other ships at sea.
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http://www.usmm.org/hope.html

"Z-men are the men of the Merchant Marine. They carry a big wad of identification papers in a book called a Z book, so they call them Z-men. They're union men, too. They work for scale. Yeah, scale! Joe Squires worked for scale. He was a seaman on the S. S. Maiden Creek. He and Hal Whitney, the deck engineer, stayed aboard to handle the lines so the rest of the crew could get away before the Maiden Creek sank under waves thirty feet high. The crew was saved. They never saw Joe or Hal again. Did anyone ever make a wage scale big enough to pay for a man's life? Joe and Hal gave theirs voluntarily. So did 5,698 others. Did anyone ever devise a scale big enough to make men brave?"

Bob Hope expressed full support for what he felt was in the best interests of his adopted country, through Korea and Viet Nam. But it was ALWAYS in support of the troops who were putting their lives on the line. His "support" of the "leaders" was perfunctory at best.

pnorman
On edit: Here's an interesting handbill from Reverend Fred Phelps: "Bob Hope is in Hell": http://www.godhatesamerica.com/ghfmir/fliers/jul2003/Hope_in_Hell_7-30-2003.pdf
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caty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:15 PM
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10. What I remember about Bob Hope
when I was growing up is that he devoted his time and talent to entertaining our troops. He spent his holidays with them rather than his own family.

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/bobhope/uso.html

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/bobhope/pubserv.html
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brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:21 PM
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11. He also spent time...
trying to rape a stewardess in the back of a Dallas cab rather than with his own family.


He was a fricking hypocrite with an insatiable appetite for applause.

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caty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:32 PM
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14. I never heard this before.
When was this? I could'nt find anything about on the internet.
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brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:42 PM
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16. It wouldn't be on the net.
It was common knowledge in Dallas at the time - but only to those of us in the airlines.
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:29 PM
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13. What is a "great American?"
:shrug:
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caty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:36 PM
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15. I don't think there is one
person who could be considered the "greatest American". I think a great american is someone who is proud of their citizenship, leads a good life, and tries to give something back to help others. Someone who is willing to stand up for their country the best way they can.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:55 PM
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17. I thought he was English????
but then again most dopes think Bu$h is a Texan.

:shrug:
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:11 PM
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20. He was better than a lot of politicians
but there's no way he tops the greatest politicians in American history.

Not by a long shot.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:17 PM
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21. Hmm, that's a tough question. "Most" politicians are not great Americans.
But I also hate Bob Hope so I'd say, in my opinion, that Bob Hope is the equivalent of Dick Cheney in this context.
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