THX 1138+Star Wars=Matrix

[nytemare]

Discuss.

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[redqueen]

1. Whoa!

You just blew my mind!

(Not really... it just sounded cool.)

[nytemare]

3. LOL

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[Bombtrack]

2. I think you would have to combined 2 crappy movies to get the Matrix not

a crappy movie and one of the greatest movies of all time.

The Matrix is like the most pretentious movie of all time combined with the Fast and the Furious. Eye candy for idiots + bad actors + MTV slick editing/music with a wannabe David Lynch-ish David Croenenberish "depth" that actually doesn't exist but it's annoying fans attempt to prove does to no avail.

[nytemare]

5. I am talking of the idea behind Matrix

Which I think when you combine the idea behind THX and the Star Wars saga comes close to where Matrix came from.

I knew a guy who tried to argue that the Matrix existed. He wasn't too bright, though, so it just came across that he was sort of kooky.

I should have tried to argue that the "Force" exists...not to the extent of Star Wars, but if you got really deep into physics, there may be some semblance there...more than a "Matrix" anyway.

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[Bombtrack]

6. Yeah and I'm saying people who get that obsessed with such an overated

crapfest like the Matrix have no credibility when it comes to movies or life.

[ikojo]

8. I like Matrix but Reloaded was not as good

and Matrix Revolutions blew as much as Phantom Menace.

Talk about taking a franchise down the tubes very quickly! Wow!

[nytemare]

16. I thought it was pretty cool

The 2nd one and 3rd weren't as good as the first, but they were pretty neat. Not to say I take the philosophy in it as fact, though.

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[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

4. The Matrix was "inspired' (read copied) from Ghost in the Shell

[Lannes]

7. Colossus: The Forbin Project predated them all

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/6300987531/002-4260298-8330434?v=glance

[Enraged_Ape]

10. Colossus is an underrated gem of a movie

Many times in these forums I have extolled the virtues of this amazing, frightening film.

I just watched it again a couple of weeks ago. It is just as chilling (and plausible) now as it was 30-some years ago.

[bridgit]

11. agreed...

[Lannes]

14. Forbidden Planet was more of an influence on Star Trek

Than the Matrix.

[bridgit]

17. my sense is that 'dune' influenced lucas greatly...

with it's sweep of mythological import (not lynch's film per se although i like it for other reasons), but that 'the matrix' was an anomaly :shrug: still, there's little doubt that i can be wrong

[ikojo]

19. One of my friends claims Lucas ripped the whole Star Wars

story from Dune. I tried to read Dune when I was in high school but found it to be boring. Perhaps I should try again.

[Lannes]

20. Actually Star Wars was influenced by Ford and Kurosawa

By Kurosawa's "The Hidden Fortress" and Ford's "The Searchers"

[bridgit]

21. reasonable enough to conclude...

considering lucas to be a filmmaker; there're little pieces of certain other directors as well, yet are we speaking film-screenplay-cinematography, or story treatment here :shrug: a little fritz lang sprinkled about as well

Kurosawa influenced many; himself influenced by occidental story lines on occasion
http://www.criterionco.com/asp/release.asp?id=190

[Lannes]

23. Lucas cites them as his biggest influence in making Star Wars

If you have seen those films its hard to disagree.

[bridgit]

24. who are you arguing with?

[Lannes]

25. Noone of import I guess

[bridgit]

26. snark...

[Lannes]

27. meow

[bridgit]

29. bwahahahaha....

:rofl: boyfriend is ucla film & music, i am theater arts...you need to play a video game :rofl:

[Lannes]

30. Like that says anything

Thats right,a slip of paper makes you smarter than anyone else.You didnt even know what films influenced Lucas into making Star Wars and "you had no doubt" that you were right.LMAO.

[bridgit]

31. ok, so lucas is your freaking god....

that's fine. you want your little pat on the head? you got it. you need to seriously consider getting your dumbass over to gd where people like to argue for virtually no reason at all much like your silly little exchanges here.

you don't want to have an adult conversation about these matters so go ahead & admit it.

paper or no paper, you simply have no fucking idea what i know, or do not know. and with a mind designed like 'a one trick pony' you are not able to avail yourself of discovery how sad. here...get happy:

http://www.philosophers.co.uk/games/matrix.htm

[Lannes]

32. Good job going off on a tangent

Show me where I praised Lucas for anything.I just pointed out his influences which you obviously didnt know because if you did you wouldnt have listed his primary influence as "Dune".

If you are the best that UCLA is producing I suggest you get your money back.

[nytemare]

22. I sense a lot of mythical references in Star Wars

Including Lord of the Rings. It seems to be a cornucopia of myths.

[bridgit]

28. this is part of my point...

herbert, tolkien, asimov; these guys were dealing in myths, and myths are where the power is. lucas understands that with a quickness as should we all.

thx was important in terms of film development; not particularly groundbreaking but fresh for it's time & place, innovative with 'cinematic eye', yet offered no myth per se. next was to come 'star wars' packed to the rafters with myth & neo-intergalactic spaghetti western & voila!

a 30yr excursion laced with t-shirts, lunch boxes & action figures

[nytemare]

34. The story in the myth was a bit off for a couple of chapters

But, caught back on in the end..lol.

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[bridgit]

37. agreed...

and in a timely manner i add here :hi: :kick: :patriot:

[ikojo]

9. Whether you like the Matrix or not the equation posted

by nytemare is clearly proof that the Matrix owes its existence to the mind and imagination of George Lucas.

Pay up Wachowskis!

[Lannes]

13. I disagree

Colossus was about a supercomputer (two actually) that took over the world.It came out before THX.

[Dave Reynolds]

12. I'm not really fond of

algebra.

And the answer is really 42.

[nytemare]

15. LOL

42.

Not 34?

[datasuspect]

18. the last starfighter + enemy mine = complete cinematic diahrrea

[Dukkha]

33. The Black Hole + Flash Gordon =

[Terran]

35. I don't know, but THX

is a great film, about 10,000 times better than the average Star Wars crapfest. I, uh, don't quite see any relationship between it and the Matrix, other than people living hypnotized lifestyles. Maybe "Tron" and THX?? :D

[nytemare]

36. Well, elements of each could combine to come up with

elements of the Matrix. With THX, it was the dehumanization of the system, with Star Wars, the Chosen One(vs the One in the Matrix).
I suppose a lot of movies have common elements, though.

I just felt like bringing these up!!

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