Adherents to Scientology: A List of Famous Scientologists

[norml]

Adherents to Scientology.

Name Occupation Birth Death Known for
Kirstie Alley Actor 12-Jan-1951 Rebecca from Cheers
Anne Archer Actor 25-Aug-1947 Fatal Attraction
Beck Musician 8-Jul-1970 Loser
Catherine Bell Actor 14-Aug-1968 Sarah MacKenzie on JAG
Karen Black Actor 1-Jul-1942 Five Easy Pieces
Trevor Bolder Guitarist 9-Jun-1950 Uriah Heap bassist
Brandy Musician 11-Feb-1979 R&B singer turned sitcom star
Nancy Cartwright Actor 25-Oct-1959 Voice of Bart Simpson
Erika Christensen Actor 19-Aug-1982 Caroline in Traffic
Chick Corea Jazz Musician 12-Jun-1941 Jazz keyboardist
Tom Cruise Actor 3-Jul-1962 Flamboyant Scientologist
Eddie Deezen Actor 6-Mar-1957 Mr. Potato Head in Wargames
Bodhi Elfman Actor 19-Jul-1968 Son of an Elfman
Jenna Elfman Actor 30-Sep-1971 Freaky chick on Dharma and Greg
Frank Kelly Freas Artist 22-Aug-1922 2-Jan-2005 Illustrator of science fiction and fantasy
Doug E. Fresh Rapper 17-Sep-1966 Rap artist
Soleil Moon Frye Actor 6-Aug-1976 Punky Brewster
Isaac Hayes Musician 20-Aug-1942 Black Moses, also Chef on South Park
Amy Heckerling Film Director 7-May-1954 Fast Times At Ridgemont High
Katie Holmes Actor 18-Dec-1978 Joey Potter on Dawson's Creek
L. Ron Hubbard Religion 13-Mar-1911 24-Jan-1986 Perpetrated Dianetics, Scientology
Jason Lee Actor 25-Apr-1970 Mall Rats
Juliette Lewis Actor 21-Jun-1973 Natural Born Killers
Chris Masterson Actor 22-Jan-1980 Francis on Malcolm in the Middle
Danny Masterson Actor 13-Mar-1976 Hyde on That 70's Show
David Miscavige Religion 1960 Leader of the Church of Scientology
Corin Nemec Actor 5-Nov-1971 Parker Lewis Can't Lose
Judy Norton-Taylor Actor 29-Jan-1958 The Waltons
Liz Phair Musician 17-Apr-1967 Exile in Guyville
Laura Prepon Actor 7-Mar-1980 Donna on That 70's Show
Lisa Marie Presley Musician 1-Feb-1968 Daughter of Elvis Presley
Priscilla Presley Actor 24-May-1945 Elvis's wife
Kelly Preston Actor 13-Oct-1962 What a Girl Wants
Leah Remini Actor 15-Jun-1970 Old School
Giovanni Ribisi Actor 17-Dec-1974 Sky Captain's Dex Dearborn
Mimi Rogers Actor 27-Jan-1956 Someone To Watch Over Me
Billy Sheehan Guitarist 19-Mar-1953 Former Mr. Big bassist
Ethan Suplee Actor 25-May-1976 Frankie on Boy Meets World
Gabor Szabo Jazz Musician 8-Mar-1936 26-Feb-1982 Innovative jazz guitarist
John Travolta Actor 18-Feb-1954 Saturday Night Fever
Greta Van Susteren Journalist 11-Jun-1955 CNN journalist, plastic surgery victim
Edgar Winter Musician 28-Dec-1946 Albino rock star
Woody Woodmansey Drummer c. 1951 Drummer for The Spiders From Mars


Official Website:
http://www.scientology.org/



http://www.nndb.com/lists/278/000069071/

[jmaier]

1. Interesting.

The snark in me wants to suggest that this indicates the intellectual bar isn't too high in the entertainment industry ... but that would be mean-spirited.

[lenidog]

2. WOW!! There are some people there I really respect and like

[jim3775]

3. Celeb auditing

[pinniped]

63. Asparagus cans without the labels, right?

$1,200/hr cans.

[name not needed]

4. Of course,

none of them are gonna wind up dead in a hotel room anytime soon...

http://www.whyaretheydead.net/

[lenidog]

6. Very true

none of them are going to get the same treatment as those lower on the ladder might.

[norml]

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[tarkus]

5. Jason Lee! NO! NM

[lenidog]

8. Scary isn't it?

[Lannes]

7. Chick Corea and Isaac Hayes surprised me.

Chef is a scientologist! nooo. :P

[Telly Savalas]

10. The Scientologists used to have a late night informercial back in the day

Chick Corea was one of the spokesmen.

And yes, the fact that I know this is definitive proof that I was a stoner loser 10 years ago. ;)

[Lannes]

15. If you were a real stoner

You wouldnt remember. :P

[Telly Savalas]

44. Much of the 90's are a blur...

but a Dianetics infomercial with Chick Corea...how could anyone forget that!? :o

[Squeech]

29. Once upon a time

Corea was a respected member of the avant-garde. There was a double live album called Circle Paris Concerts, Corea with bassist Dave Holland (a fellow Miles alum), drummer Barry Altschul, and multi-instrumentalist (mostly reeds) Anthony Braxton. Then Chick found Scientology, and they persuaded him to do more mainstream stuff, and he left that band (who basically became Braxton's band for the next several years, and kicked ass) and founded Return to Forever. Mass marketing has always been a priority for Scientology.

Not on the above list are the members of the Incredible String Band, who were my favorite Scientologists, because it didn't immediately ruin them (it took several years).

Also it's interesting that they credit Trevor Bolder as bassist for (gasp choke) Uriah Heep. I'd'a thought his career as a Spider from Mars would be more noteworthy. (Or maybe they figured they already had one Spider, and Uriah Heep's fan base might be more fertile territory, since they've already proved to have no powers of discernment.)

[Telly Savalas]

45. Corea's work with Miles Davis absolves him of all sins thereafter.

Got a live CD where he runs his electric piano through wah and distortion pedals. Quite the badass sound.

[Zomby Woof]

41. Corea thanks L. Ron Hubbard on the Elektric Band credits

No wonder it was so soulless.

[ReadTomPaine]

75. Not Isaac Hayes!!

I had the same reaction - "Noooo!"

[name not needed]

88. That's why he wasn't in the Blainetology episode of South Park

[jim3775]

9. "O little world of Teegeeack how still we see they lie,

above thy deep and dreamless sleep the DC-8's fly by Yet in thy dark volcanoes the evil Xenu schemes the woes and fears of all the years keyed by intention beams For Xenu's evil plotting then brought trillions to this land while dinosaurs gave awesome roars still further strife he planned O loyal staff, together oppose this wicked plot!

encase his ass in mountain pass batt'ries forget you not!

How odd to see, how widely spread The OT fable's grown!

As a.r.s. brings knowingness to critics yet unknown.

Spread well the secret scriptures Deride their flaws each day 'Til handlers greet no fresh raw meat With phony OCA.

'Til citizens of every stripe will know the simple truth While OSA no longer prey No longer goof the floof Where government stands watching and feds hold wide the door The dark cult fade, the feebees raid And Xenu rules once more"
-Chris Leithiser

[punpirate]

11. Note that most of these people did their best work...

... before becoming Scientologists. Except perhaps Greta Van Susteren, who has never done anything resembling good work....

[medeak]

12. John Travolta loves little boys

no kidding. Rented a luxury condo in Mexico and Travolta was there the week before.

Was excited thinking I was sleeping in the same bed as Travolta..but when I asked the staff about him staying there..they grimaced and said "he only like little boys...coming and going all night"

Next Scientologist Michael Jackson?

[elshiva]

13. Will always like Isaac Hayes

[swag]

26. I will always like Isaac Hayes too

especially for "Hyperbolicsyllabicsesquedalymistic," which, incidentally, became the basis for Public Enemy's "Black Steel in the Hour of Chaos."

[elshiva]

38. Never knew that, but I like "Hot Buttered Soul"

[slackmaster]

43. I like the Prostitute Song that he did with James Taylor on South Park

Prostitute Song
by South Park (Related Recordings)
album:
Chef: Hello there, children!
Children: Hey, Chef
Stan: Chef, what's a prostitute?
Chef:Dag-nabbit children! How come every time you come in here
you gotta be askin' me questons that I shouldn't be answering?!
"Chef, what's the clitoris?" "What's a lesbian, Chef?" "How come they
call it a rim jub, Chef?" For once, can't just come in here and say,
"Hi Chef. Nice day, isn't it?"
Stan: Hi Chef. Nice day, isn't it?
Chef: It sure is! Thank you.
Stan: Chef, what's a prostitute?
Chef: Uh uh! You children are gonna get me in trouble with the principal again.
Cartman: Lunchtime! I'm starved!
Chef: Oh my God. Eric?
Cartman: That's me.
Stan: Chef was just about to tell us what a protitute is.
Chef: Why do you need to know what a prostitue is anyway?!
Stan: Because Jesus told us that Kenny's a prostitute. Is he?
Kenny: Yeah. Am I?
Chef: Well, no, uh of course Kenny is not a prostitute.
Kyle: Why?
Chef: Well, because, children, a prostitute is someone who…
you could pay for certain services.
Stan: Like what?
Chef: Like keeping you company. Understand?
Stan: No.
Chef: You see, chidren, sometimes a man needs to be with a woman.
But sometimes, when the lovin' is over, the woman just wants to talk and talk
and talk and talk.


But a prostitute is someone who would love you
No matter who you are, or what you look like.
Yes, it's true, children.
That's not why you pay a prostitute,
No, you don't pay her to stay, you pay her to leave afterwards.
That's why I pays a lot for prostitutes! Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr. James Taylor.

James Taylor: A prostitute is like any other woman
They all trade somethin' for sex and they do it well.
Chef: And that's why I say-
Chef and James Taylor: Prostitutes! Prostitutes! They-
Chef: Oohhhh
James Taylor, what the hell are you doin' in here?!
Singing' about prostitutes to the children! Get out of here!

See http://www.lyricsbox.com/southpark-lyrics-prostitute-song-dvf4hx5.html

[tarkus]

14. I heard that Jerry Seinfeld was a Scientologist. Is this true? NM

[jim3775]

17. Found this,

"Others who took Scientology courses, or who were members - some briefly - according to published reports, include football legend John Brodie, dancer Mikhail Baryshnikov, author William Burroughs; singers Van Morrison, Al Jarreau and Leonard Cohen; actors Emilio Estevez, Rock Hudson, Demi Moore, Candice Bergen, Brad Pitt, Christopher Reeve, Jerry Seinfeld and Patrick Swayze; and O.J. Simpson prosecutor Marcia Clark."
Link

Reading Dianetics is one thing, getting to the alien part and still believing is another.

[CanuckAmok]

16. And, apart from Gabos Szabo and (possibly) Hubbard...

..all those people are still alive.

Maybe they're on to something...

[earthside]

18. Goofy, Man.

:crazy:

Oh, boy.

So a bunch of goofy Hollywood "celebrities" and Greta Van Susteren are members of a goofy "religion" ... So what?

What does the volcano represent on the front cover of the Dianetics book?

Anyone who does a little bit of internet reserch will find out right away that Scientology isn't even a very good science fiction story.

Check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

Also take a look at: http://www.factnet.org/

:freak:

[Atlas Mugged]

25. Excellent links

I'm a huge fan of wikipedia, but had never seen their Scientology listing. Amazingly thorough.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

19. You know the celebrities get special treatment, right?

Just asking.

[gauguin57]

20. It's not a goofy religion, it's a greedy cult. See this important Time mag

package on Scientology. Especially note what Scientologists do to those who are trying to investigate them. Not pretty.

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishman/time-behar.html

[ET Awful]

21. Interesting, their PR group, Hill & Knowlton, is the same PR group

who manufactured the incubator story during the Gulf War.

I'd read this article before, but that was prior to me having knowledge about the incubator incident.

"Retains public relation powerhouse Hill and Knowlton to help shed the church's fringe-group image."

[crispini]

60. wow, great article

Check out this snip, man, it's worse than I thought.....

The Church of Scientology, started by science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard to "clear" people of unhappiness, portrays itself as a religion. In reality the church is a hugely profitable global racket that survives by intimidating members and critics in a Mafia-like manner. At times during the past decade, prosecutions against Scientology seemed to be curbing its menace. Eleven top Scientologists, including Hubbard's wife, were sent to prison in the early 1980s for infiltrating, burglarizing and wiretapping more than 100 private and government agencies in attempts to block their investigations. In recent years hundreds of longtime Scientology adherents -- many charging that they were mentally of physically abused -- have quit the church and criticized it at their own risk. Some have sued the church and won; others have settled for amounts in excess of $500,000. In various cases judges have labeled the church "schizophrenic and paranoid" and "corrupt, sinister and dangerous."

[RPM]

22. wow - mostly artists & actors...

thats strange....

[Magrittes Pipe]

23. This says it all:

Beck Musician 8-Jul-1970 Loser

[Donkeyboy75]

27. Yes, very disappointed to see him on the list.

:(

[jonnyblitz]

24. wow, Greta Van Susteren, who knew....

:wow:

[norml]

50. Queen of Fox News has interesting professional past

Queen of Fox News has interesting professional past
Greta Van Susteren is the queen at Fox News and regularly wins the ratings wars against her old employer CNN reports the Kansas City Star.

The Midwest newspaper gushed about Van Susteren's success and quoted a source parenthetically about how "she and her husband are heavily into the Church of Scientology."

But Greta and hubby John Coale, both lawyers, seem to have been more than just "into" Scientology. They did some rather interesting legal work reportedly linked to their church.

It is often said that suing is something like a religious rite for Scientology. Maybe this explains why Van Susteren and Coale once appeared together to figuratively sing "hallelujah" from a court pew in Ohio.



snip



http://www.cultnews.com/archives/000660.html

[Modem Butterfly]

28. Another Famous Scientologist: Lisa McPherson

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/



Killed by $cientology in 1995.

Operation Clambake:

http://www.clambake.org

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

85. Yeah, just like Jacko paying off a little boy's parents...

...the good folks at Scientology paid their way out of any prolonged scandal with Lisa.



Like Kelly Preston said once, "Scientology ROCKS!"

:puke:

[Trigger Hippie]

30. Nooooo!!!

Not Hyde from That '70s Show. I love him!!! I wish I didn't know he was nuts!!

Ach!

[LynneSin]

34. I guess Ashton hasn't been able to recruit him for Kabbalah yet

:eyes:

[indy_azcat]

31. Scientology - it's got Punky Power!

[Orsino]

32. Leave off the ones who aren't really famous...

...and the list is only half as long.

Only a struggling cult feels the need to post a list of celebrity adherents.

[terrya]

33. Yet one more reason to avoid "That 70's Show"

As if I needed any more reasons.

[Mixxster]

35. I wonder how accurate this list is.

Katie Holmes and Cruise have only been dating a short time. While channel surfing recently, I saw her telling someone that she is not a Scientologist but was interested in checking it out.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

39. I was wondering about that myself

I saw some article about her in the wake of this whole Tom Cruise thing discussing the clash that her strong Catholic faith was going to have with his Scientology thing.

I guess it didn't take long to convert her.

[norml]

46. List of Scientologists From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

List of Scientologists
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
A Scientologist is a believer in Scientology. The following is a list of well-known past and present Scientologists.

Conventionally, the label applies to members of the Church of Scientology, not to the Free Zone (those who practice Scientology outside the original Church).

Kirstie Alley, actress
Anne Archer, actress
Jennifer Aspen, actress
Jason Beghe, actor
Catherine Bell, actress
Karen Nelson Bell, producer, director and musician
Karen Black, actress (later repudiated Scientology)
Sonny Bono, artist and congressman
William S. Burroughs, author, Beat Generation icon (later denounced Scientology)
David Campbell, musician
Nancy Cartwright, voiceover artist
Kate Ceberano, actress and musician
Erika Christensen, actress
Keith Code, racing instructor
Chick Corea, musician
Tom Cruise, actor
Dave Davies, musician
Xavier Deluc, actor
Jenna Elfman, actress, and her husband Bodhi, actor
Werner Erhard, ex-Scientologist who founded est
Michael Fairman, actor
Beck Hansen, (Beck) musician
Isaac Hayes, musician, actor
Nicky Hopkins, musician
Katie Holmes, actress, former Catholic, converted in 2005 while in a relationship with Tom Cruise
L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology
Mark Isham, musician
Terry Jastrow, TV producer and director
Kimberley Kates, actress
Jason Lee, actor and professional skateboarder
Geoffrey Lewis, actor
Juliette Lewis, actress
Peggy Lipton, actress
Courtney Love, musician and widow of Kurt Cobain - she credits the Scientology-associated group Narc-anon in the liner notes of one of her CDs<1> (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4264375/), her spokeswoman denies her involvement in Scientology.<2> (http://www.who.com/who/magazine/browse/0,20099,7401040329-605825,00.html) She is documented to be half Jewish<3> (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/43/story_4373_1.html)
Charles Manson, serial killer who joined Scientology in prison before starting his own cult
Christopher Masterson, actor
Danny Masterson, actor, older brother of Christopher Masterson
Lisa McPherson, died controversially while in the care of the Church of Scientology
Peter Medak, director
Van Morrison, singer, songwriter (later repudiated Scientology)
Floyd Mutrux, writer, director and producer
Haywood Nelson, actor
Judy Norton, actress and musician
Eduardo Palomo, actor, and his wife Carina, actress and musician
Jeff Pomerantz, actor
David Pomeranz, musician
Priscilla Presley, actress
Lisa Marie Presley, daughter of Elvis
Kelly Preston, actress and John Travolta's wife
Leah Remini, actress
Patrick Renna, actor
Giovanni Ribisi, actor
Marissa Ribisi, actress
Michael D. Roberts, actor
Mimi Rogers, actress
Carl-W. Röhrig, artist
Billy Sheehan, rock bassist
Megan Shields, physician and author
Michelle Stafford, actress
Sharon Stone, actress (reportedly (http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/celebcrit.html#sharonstone) now a convert to Buddhism)
Patrick Swayze, actor
Greta Van Susteren, host of On the Record with Greta Van Susteren on FOX TV
John Travolta, actor
Patrick Warren, musician
Edgar Winter, musician

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scientologists

[norml]

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[tjdee]

58. Nope, she is one.

Someone sent me an article about how Katie's old friends aren't traveling with her, she has all new Scientology friends, etc.

And we all know all emails are true!!

[alarcojon]

66. As long as Shah Rukh Khan isn't a Scientologist,

we're all okay.

[tjdee]

70. Haha!

:hi:

For a second I got all verklempt, but I googled it and discovered he's a Muslim! Whew, LOL!

[alarcojon]

71. Didn't mean to frighten you!

:hi:

[flvegan]

36. "Beck Musician 8-Jul-1970 Loser " struck me as funny.

Like he's known for being a loser.

[Shell Beau]

37. Whoa!!

I would have thought Leah Remini would be Catholic. I don't know why, I guess I always assume most Italian's are Catholic!!!!

[Heidi]

40. Why do we care what anyone's religion is? (nt)

[norml]

48. Because they are an evil swindling cult, and because Xenu wills it.

http://www.xenu.net/

[Heidi]

49. I've seen xenu.net

Don't you think the deaths and financial exploitation associated with Scientology pale in comparison to the same associated with Christianity? "Cult" is in the eye of the beholder where adults are concerned; what I'm seeing here is a lot of religious bigotry, dogpiling and jumping on the anti-Tom Cruise bandwagon. I'm surprised because I thought we DUers, in general, were less easily led than that. I mean, if a "religion" breaks the law, prosecute its leaders for the crime, but please don't dogpile folks, famous or not, because they've chosen a religion "we" might consider "evil." That's exactly what the president has done with Islam.

Heidi, no "real" religion whatsoever

[norml]

51. I've plenty to say about other evil swindling cults,

that doesn't exempt this one.

Norml, student of religions. Believer in coincidence, and the interconnectivity of all things.

[Heidi]

53. I'm with you, norml.

By no means, in my view, is Scientology exempt. It's not even considered by the government here as a religion. But I generally am opposed to personal dog-piling like what's happened on DU, re: Tom Cruise. I have no love for the guy, beyond the fact that he's a human bean, and I do have some problems with him regarding his "war" on psychiatry.

Your way of thinking reminds me of a guy I knew via friends some years ago when I lived in Nebraska. Have you been involved with Nebraskans Against the Death Penalty, by any chance? Are you a friend of Carl Olsen, generally speaking? :pals:

[KFC]

54. No shit. It is not a religion if you have to pay for salvation.

It is a classic cult. Hell, they even believe that they can fly and can kill with a thought. They even have a "Super Power" building in Clearwater. Bat shit crazy.

[slackmaster]

56. Scientology is overpriced and doesn't include a GUARANTEE

How about Eternal Salvation for only $30, guaranteed or TRIPLE your money back?

Nobody can beat that.

http://www.subgenius.com

[norml]

57. There are other cults that have that sort of nonsense going on.

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[KFC]

78. Tithing is not manditory for Christian salvation

But in $cientology you have to pay for courses and auditing.

[norml]

89. I noticed on the tithing web sites that some say it's not mandatory

some say it is. There are radio ministries and televangelists who hammer on tithing in almost all of their broadcasts.

[Heidi]

92. It's OK with me . . .

if adults join bat shit crazy cults and believe they can fly and kill with a thought. And it's OK with me of those same adults give every penny they've ever made to the cult of their choice. It's when the leaders in any trust-based relationship break the law that I get concerned.

[slackmaster]

55. All the red herrings in the world don't excuse Scientology's misdeeds

n/t

[slackmaster]

42. All popular entertainers (including Greta) - No scientists, engineers,

no historians, or really good fiction writers, or anyone who makes a living through critical thinking.

IMO David Miscavige doesn't belong on the list because he is "famous" only for being a leader among Scientologists. Likewise L. Ron Hubbard known much more for his wacky made-up religion than for being a writer.

[Arianrhod]

52. Are you sure that's not the list of the Grand Masters

of the Priory of Sion?

:evilgrin:

[Beaverhausen]

59. How many of you people know any scientologists personally?

I bet very few of you do.

[crispini]

61. Do you?

And, one individual's experience with any given organization is not a valid datapoint. I'm sure that I could find an individual scientologist to say how wonderful it is. The question is, what about the totality of the organization -- often not seen by any individual?

Did you read this Time magazine article posted upthread? http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishman/time-behar.html

Fascinating. Read it. This organization is a cult. And an evil one at that!

[Beaverhausen]

62. Yes I know many- in fact my best friend has been in the org since the 70s

None of them are wack jobs. On the contrary, they are all talented and accomplished people who have been taught skills and methods to make a better life for themselves.

This sounds to me like any other religion or belief system.

and no, I'm not one myself.

edit: And I have a far worse view of fundie christianity than I could ever have of scientology.

[crispini]

64. So, what does your friend have to say

about all of the stuff on the internet about it, and have you read some of this stuff yourself, such as the Time magazine article?

[Beaverhausen]

65. I'll ask her tonight

but I repeat that my experience with scientologists has been nothing but good.

But I guess to you that doesn't count. I have to base all my views on what Time magazine says. and as we all know everything on the internet is the gods honest truth! :eyes:

[crispini]

67. K, post it and PM me when you do

in case I miss the thread.

And, in reference to your earlier point about it "working" for them, just like all other religions. It's sort of a truism that a religion's adherants are going to say that it works for them. Otherwise, they wouldn't be adherants of the religion. Furthermore, you can find people who believe in every religion (especially new converts) to testify to its wonderful effects on their life, the power of its particular kind of prayer, what it did for them, and so on. This is true of every sort of religion.

I think it's necessary to have some sort of objective look at the religion on a macro scale, to determine its impacts on society and on its believers on a large scale, to see what "outsiders" think of the religion, in order to figure out if it really is a positive force or a negative force.

No, you don't have to base your views on Time magazine, but on some objective authority is probably a good idea.

I'm interested in this subject because I once joined a new religion that some call a "cult" and I did quite a bit of research on cults and their habits in order to make my own determination on whether or not this new religion was in fact a cult. I don't think you can call all new religions cults, but I don't automatically think that all religions are equivalent to each other. Some are positive forces in the universe and some are negative. That's life, IMO.

[Beaverhausen]

69. If something works for someone why do you question it?

What business is it of yours?

and really, aren't all religions "cults" when you get right down to it?

None of the scientologists I know are "new" to it. Like I said my friend has been in the organization since the 70s.

And quite honestly, I don't really care one way or the other about scientology. I just find it amusing when people go around parroting the line that they are all wacky and nuts and "it's a cult" when they have never met anyone involved personally.

[crispini]

72. Because *everything* works for someone.

Some of Jim Jones' adherants probably went around saying how wonderful and fulfilling their lives in him were, right up until they drank the Kool-aid. Does that mean that Jim Jones' so-called "religion" was a good thing?

This relativism that "all religions and cults are the same thing" is nonsense to me. If you study religions objectively, some of them did (or do) good stuff and some of them did (or do) bad stuff. There are good religions (and cults) and bad religions (and cults) just like there are good people and bad people.

Do I care, specificially, what your friend as an individual does with her time? No, of course not, I don't know her, and as you say, it's none of my business.

Do I care about the larger social impacts of religions on the fabric of our society? Yes, and I think religions should be studied and people should be aware about what their religion does on a macro scale. Religions are an extremely powerful force in our society. Some of them are a progressive force and some of them are very regressive and even damaging.

[slackmaster]

74. The problem I have with it is when involvement in a religion hurts others

I have seen people abandon their spouses and children to join religious entities.

[norml]

77. Be sure to ask about Xenu.

Xenu, The Evil Intergalactic Overlord!

[norml]

81. Also be sure to ask about the time and money and how much it's cost her.

If it's not cost her much I'd be surprised.

[Beaverhausen]

82. What is your problem?

Why are you so obsessed with scientology?

What difference does it make how much it cost her? She is a happy person with a wonderful marriage, great kids and grandkids. She is talented, expressive and has a wonderfully rich life. She is full of wisdom, humor and intelligence.

She doesn't go around judging other people for what they choose to believe. You should take a lesson from her.

bug off. I'm done with this bullshit.

[norml]

84. Just ask her. nt

[slackmaster]

73. I knew one pretty well

Nice guy, a very skilled chiropractor.

He got so into Scientology he quit his practice and moved to Clearwater, Florida to be a minister.

[Beaverhausen]

80. and is he happy?

have you talked to him since he moved?

[slackmaster]

83. I hope he's happy

I've tried emailing him a couple of times and he hasn't answered.

I know a few other people who were patients of his. He has apparently cut off all contact with everyone he knew in California literally overnight and abandoned his thriving practice to his partners. His departure was sudden and completely unexpected. We only know where he went because a default Scientologist home page showed up for him on a Web search. All it said was he is a minister in Clearwater, and had an email addy.

I've checked public records for the area, and his name is not on any property ownership records (at least not in a form that lends itself to be found by searches).

Maybe leaving everything behind was exactly what he needed to do for personal reasons he has elected not to share with others, but I'm sure you can understand how that leaves people wondering just what the heck he's into. I've seen people go into drug rehab and ditch their entire past, but usually they at least give you a call or a postcard with a brief explanation. The doc was in excellent health and nobody had any inkling he had that sort of issue.

[pinniped]

68. Wow, this guy must have like three Oscars.

==Eddie Deezen Actor 6-Mar-1957 Mr. Potato Head in Wargames ==

[Zuni]

76. whoa--Lisa Marie presley married MJ and is a scientologist?

too fuckin' weird

[HysteryDiagnosis]

79. What about these??

Ben Franklin, Nikola Tesla, Isaac Newton, Galileo, Einstein, and Wallace of "Wallace and Gromit".

[48pan]

86. There are lots of nutty people in this world...

That list has a few of them.

[norml]

91. Google Refuses Ad for Critical Site

Google Refuses Ad for Critical Site
The widely-used search engine Google has recently been criticized for removing links to Operation Clambake , the most comprehensive Web site about Scientology's dark side.

It now appears that Google is refusing ads pointing to sites critical of Scientology - originally classifying them as "sites that promote hate."

Chronology
March 22, 2002 I place a standard Google ad for scientology-lies.com; it runs with no problem, but after about two hours, I have hit my spending limit
March 22, 2002 I place a Google AdWords Select ad for scientology-lies.com; within an hour or so, Google stops running the ad and informs me that they're not accepting ads for sites that "promote hate"; I write back and ask for clarification



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[sleipnir]

90. A fool and his money are soon parted.

Scientology was never a more perfect example to prove that old saying.

[norml]

93. Katie Holmes' Missing Days

Katie Holmes' Missing Days
Tuesday, June 21, 2005
By Roger Friedman
PHOTOS


The newly engaged Katie Holmes still has some explaining to do to her friends and family.

There were 16 days in April during which no one seems to know where she was.

Holmes made a public appearance on April 4 at the premiere of "Steel Magnolias" on Broadway.

She came with her publicist, Leslie Sloane Zelnick, and a couple of other friends. They were there to support Rebecca Gayheart, who was making her Broadway debut.



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