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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 07:54 PM
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Crap...I got a speeding ticket.
I wish to god I wasn't so polite. That stupid "Any idea why I pulled you over?" remark is just begging for a "Cut to the fucking chase and let's not play guessing games, shall we?"
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 07:54 PM
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1. Was the cop being snotty or rude to you?
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Cannikin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 07:55 PM
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2. Ugh. I'm sorry. That sux.
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 07:55 PM
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3. It happens to the best of us.
Mostly for the reason that 95% of cops are sadists who enjoy spreading as much pain and woe as possible.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 07:56 PM
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4. well, stay the fuck out of the left lane, will ya?
:hi:

just think of it as your random tax
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 07:56 PM
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5. Take it to court. You'll at least get the points erased. nt
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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 07:57 PM
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6. It's not even the cost of the lousy ticket...
your insurance rates are going to rise for the next four years.
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 08:01 PM
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7. I always drive the speed limit.
:think:
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 08:05 PM
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8. Amazingly, so were the other 30 cars going the same speed...
...I was.

:D
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:27 PM
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13. You have several options.....dont despair....(sorry this is a little long)
First, where was this? In Ca? Perhaps your home state, like California has a drivers school you can take that will not only get rid of the points, but expunge the ticket altogether. The info on your ticket or any sheet the cop gave you with the ticket should tell you. If no info was provided by the officer, call the clerk of the court on which the ticket is drawn (That MUST be on the ticket) and ask if your municipality has such a program. In Cal, if you have a decent driving record, you can even take the school on-line. Check that out first.

Second. Don't rule out fighting the ticket. If he got you with radar, you have several things in your favor.
1) It is a policy in most jurisdictions that the officer must be CERTIFIED to use the Radar gun and his cert. must be up to date.
2)The gun itself MUST BE CALIBRATED and most attorneys can argue that it should be calibrated after every single usage. The ONLY way to calibrate a radar gun properly is with a tuning fork (Yes, a regular tuning fork) that is itself calibrated and certified.
3)The Officer is supposed to have the tuning fork WITH HIM IN HIS CAR and if he doesn't, you can argue that the gun was out of calibration.

Third. Every single mile of road in this country has at some point had an engineering survey done. This is a public record that you are entitled to see during discovery. It determines the capabilities of the roadway such as traffic capacity and speed limitations. If, for instance, you were clocked at 45 in a 35 and the most recent survey said the road was rated for 50, it is a valid argument that the speed limit for that stretch is inappropriate. This info can relate to intentional speed traps set up by local constabularies or townships.

Fourth. You said "So were the 30 other cars going the same speed". You can argue mistaken identity. A radar gun is not selective, but only registers the fastest thing in the pack.

If he got you by Laser, they are more accurate because, obviously the laser is almost a pinpoint and the cops are trained to aim them at something flat, mostly the front license plate. Still in this case you can argue the survey point or mistaken identity. (He was shooting the brown Camaro but pulled over the brown Trans Am. You get the idea) Also, Laser guns are meant to be used while MOUNTED on a hard or secure surface NOT hand-held. Even the slightest movement of the unit can register a false reading such as the officer taking a breath if he is holding it and the beam going from your license plate to your windshield. Up to and more than ten percent of a difference. Ten percent at 65 is the difference between being ignored and being pulled over.

I recommend you contact a Lawyer and at least ask a few questions. Most will give you some advice over the phone and you can get an idea of whether or not you might have a defense.

I got pulled over back in '99 in Ohio on I-70 almost to the WV line. I called a local Attorney about it and he said "What court?" I told him and he said to me basically "Pay the fine. I have argued over 200 speeding tickets in front of that judge over the years and he dismissed 2 of them. He and the local cops have a racket, it isn't right but you wont win unless you can PROVE he pulled over the wrong truck. It is a known speed trap. Pay the fine and bite the bullet"
The point here is that you have to do a little investigation on your part before you give up and pay the fine. If you think of it as money per hour, figure what you make in salary vs. what the fine will cost and the insurance rise, it can work out for the better to do your best to fight it. People beat speeding tickets all the time.

There are several excellent books out there about this subject, many by ex-cops on how to beat speeding tickets. I encourage you to look into them.

I drive for a living, having now racked up more than 1,600,000 miles accident free as a commercial tractor trailer driver. The last tickets i got were in California, 10 days apart, in November of '03, doing 65 in a 55 and was able to do traffic school for both of them (One on line, the other attended) and what shows up now is only one ticket but no points. Prior to that was the Ohio incident.

BTW, I DON'T advocate flaunting speed limits, speeding, reckless or careless driving. I just think we have a really stupid attitude towards driving at high speed in this country (It is looked upon as something only "Hotrodders" want to do) not to mention that most Americans receive or are given scant little training on how to operate a motor vehicle properly much less how to drive at high speed safely.

We play a stupid game in this country regarding speed limits but you have to play it. Don't let the state or county just take your money without at least a little fight!


One final note. All drivers should be aware of two basic speed rules.
1) The 10 % rule
The ten percent rule is the idea that MOST cops will give you ten percent of the speed limit. That is to say, in a 65 zone you can almost always get away with 71.5 MPH (Ten percent of 65 = 6.5 MPH Bearing in mind of course, that ten percent of 25 MPH is 27.5 MPH. Not much of a difference. There is a reasonable upper limit to this rule however because in states that have 75 MPH limits on some stretches (The Oklahoma TPKE, for instance) 82 and a half is kinda pushing your luck!!
2) The 75th percentile rule (Or the 80th percentile)
This rule regards safety. The SAFEST speed to travel on ANY given stretch of roadway regardless of the speed limit is that speed which 75 percent of the vehicles are traveling. If you are on the freeway and the speed limit is 65 but 75 % of the cars are doing 80, then 80 is the safest speed. The inverse is also true. If 75 % of the cars are doing 45 on that same stretch of highway then 45 is the safest speed.

You must use your best judgment to put those two rules together and if you do, you will rarely if ever get a ticket.

Sorry about the length of this, but i feel for ya! Getting a ticket truly ruins your day and it sucks. I know it. If i get too many it means my career and as a CDL holder, i am held to a higher standard than the average automobile driver so i have pretty strong opinions on the subject.

Good luck!
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 08:26 PM
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11. That is NO guarantee that YOU won't be stopped!
See my story below -- I WAS going the speed limit -- in fact 5 miles under the speed limit (due to traffic). But I got tagged -- for going 16 miles over the speed limit. The cop was a liar.

I learned that going the speed limit is absolutely no guarantee against lazy cops who have a quota.

Tickets are an insurance scam.

Fight the ticket -- and even if you were speeding -- fight it because if you go to court there is a high probability that you will be offered a plea (to get rid of you) -- you pay and fine and they WON'T notify your insurance company. Everyone who goes to traffic court is offered a plea in my county. You pay a higher fee and no tickets for a year -- the ticket doesn't go on your record.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 08:19 PM
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9. Fight it --
do some research . . . .

speed tickets are merely a way of taxing and it is part of an insurance scam.

Never merely accept a ticket.

Very often you will be offered a plea bargain if you do fight -- and you pay a flat fee and the ticket isn't reported to your insurance company.

I was pulled over and I was NOT SPEEDING. It turns out that the cop has no idea how to use a radar gun -- and he did everything wrong. In fact no one was speeding -- but the bastard had a quota to meet and so at the end of his shift I got tagged. I ended up costing the county money -- because my husband and I took up court time PROVING the cop was lying. We had maps and photos and EVIDENCE to show the judge that I was merely driving BELOW the speed limit (due to traffic) -- and from where the cop claims to have taken the radar reading -- he had to have bounced the radar signal off of a mental gate and garage door. Plus there was a electric substation behind the trees. Plus he aimed the gun incorrectly -- and he made up a story to fit. I KNEW I wasn't speeding and that he was lying. And I proved it!

Even if you were speeding -- go to court.

This is the link where I learned about the speeding ticket scam. They have a packet to help you fight. The insurance companies often give cop shops radar guns -- because the tickets not only generate money for the country but also the insurance industry gets to raise your fees.

TICKETS are a major SCAM.
http://www.motorists.com/issues/tickets/ticket_fighting_info_strategies.html

Ticket Fighting Information
And Strategies


It’s great that you’ve decided to fight your traffic ticket. Most intelligent and honest people know what traffic tickets are really about – money. If you and I don’t fight back, the ticket scam will only get worse.

To help you, we’ve developed this step-by-step guide to fighting your ticket:

1. Start fighting immediately – As soon as you’ve been pulled over, it’s important that you take note of your surroundings. Carefully review the ticket you’ve been issued. Also, if you have a camera handy, take some pictures of the area. Click here for a list of things you should look for during a traffic stop. If your stop has already occurred, try to go back to the area where you were pulled over to make some observations.
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MI Cherie Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 08:25 PM
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10. Politeness is a good thing ...
... a cop pulled me over once and asked me the same thing.

I honestly told him "That guy pulled out in front of me and I guess I was going a bit fast when I passed him."

He let me off with a warning! :)
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 08:26 PM
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12. I have caught myself actually thanking the cop.
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 08:27 PM by Jara sang
when they leave...x( I'm just too goddam nice.
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