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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 05:54 PM
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I hate to do it, but I have to start a sick dog question thread.
My boxer was just fast asleep, woke up and got sick 4 times in a matter of minutes.

Nothing unusual except for one long piece of grass/weed. Actually, that's not even unusual because he eats more grass than any dog I've ever known.

Thoughts? I'm having dinner with family, but now worried about leaving him alone.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 05:57 PM
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1. what color was the vile...white & foamy? and is it hot where you ARE?
Edited on Tue Jun-28-05 06:04 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 06:02 PM
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2. Yes and yes.
Not much vile, but there was some that was white and foamy.

Yes, it's very hot here today, but he has really been in the AC all day.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 06:03 PM
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3. did he eat alot and run around? is his stomach bloated? vet tech here
Edited on Tue Jun-28-05 06:08 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
if his stomach expands, and he hasn't pooped it could be "bloat" (twisted intestines)which can be very very serious and is common in large breeds
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 06:08 PM
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5. Nope. Nothing unusual about his appearance.
I rained here this morning and he hates the rain so he wasn't outside. Then this afternoon it heated up to the mid 90's and he's been inside in the cozy AC napping away all day.

He got up (off my couch), took a few steps, then started with the lurching. I got him outside and he did it 3 more times.

Since then he did wander over to his food and water. He drank some water, then he finished up the food that was in his bowl.

It could just be because, you know, sometimes dogs just vomit! At least I hope that's what it is.....
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 06:13 PM
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7. no more food or water for the the next 12 hrs...if it is bloat ......
Edited on Tue Jun-28-05 06:14 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
it will make it worse...give him Pepcid AC now tomorrow morning boil him white breast chicken and feed him that ...if he keeps that down he will be fine...if he throws it up take him IMMEDIATELY to the vet
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 06:15 PM
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8. Thank you so much. I'll run out and pick up some pepcid AC.
He does seem to have more gas than usual?
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 08:01 PM
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18. Well, he seems to be feeling just fine. I got back from dinner
and he greeted me in his normal, crazy, enthusiastic way. He did a couple of lightning fast circles around the yard and tried to maul me as usual!

Now he's stretched out with his head in my lap...also normal.

Guess he just had a little tummy upset? I'll keep a close eye on him. I'm working from home all week.
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 06:11 PM
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6. I'm late for dinner, but I'm going to keep my visit short.
I'll check in as soon as I get home to see if you have anything else to add.

Thanks in advance for your help.
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oregonjen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 06:17 PM
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9. Unrelated question for you...
Is there a natural way to cure yeast infections in dogs? My dog took Ketoconazole and threw up all night. The vet insists I try it again when I don't want to. Help!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 06:35 PM
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10. is it infection in the ear or skin.dogs don't usually get vulva infections
Edited on Tue Jun-28-05 06:49 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
if it is intestinal try active culture yogurt yeast infection in dogs is a signal of weak immune system

Treating A Yeast Infection Naturally -- How To Get Started
http://www.thepetprofessor.com/secArticles/dog/Yeast_infections_in_dogs.asp
The program outlined suggests general guidelines to follow. Since your pet has it's own individual needs, we highly recommend a consultation before beginning the program.

Schedule a consultation with Purely Pets

Many different types of traditional treatments are being used to treat yeast and other skin problems. Although drugs are very effective, in most cases they do not eliminate the cause of the symptom. To get at the cause, you need to look at the whole picture. Once the cause is found, a PREVENTION PLAN can be initiated.

A prevention plan is a simple method of enhancing the level of nutrition and making lifestyle changes. It is an attempt to address any special needs your pet may have.

Prevention Plan

1. Change the Diet -- You Must Feed an Anti-Yeast Diet

An anti-yeast diet is one that includes meats, most vegetables and some diary. An anti-yeast diet will starve the yeast and aid in the healing process. However, diet alone will not control the problem, it is only the first step. Keep in mind a restricted diet does not have to last forever. Once your pet's health improves, you will be able to expand on what you feed.

Foods that are allowed:
Vegetables:
asparagus, broccoli, cauliflower, eggplant, parsley, squash, brussel sprouts, celery, green beans, yellow beans, cucumbers, collard, kale, lettuce, spinach.

Meats:
Beef, duck, chicken, fish, rabbit, turkey, Cornish hen, lamb.

Dairy:
Plain yogurt Stoneyfield Farm yogurt is recommended. Visit their website www.stonyfield.com and type in your city and state to see where you can purchase it. This yogurt contains:

Cultured pasteurized nonfat milk, naturally milled sugar, natural vanilla flavor, pectin, turmeric, made with multiple organisms: S. Thermophilus, L. Bulgaricus, L. Acidophilus, bifidus, L. Casei and L. Reuteri live active cultures.

Purchase the French Vanilla. If you are not able to get Stoneyfield, Dannon Plain yogurt is another option.

Beverages:
Water

Forbidden Foods:
Buttermilk
Cheeses
Packaged cereal
Cottage cheese
Crackers
Flour enriched with vitamins from yeast
Mushrooms Packaged & processed foods
Peanuts
Pretzels
Sorbital
Sweet Potatoes and yams
Vitamin/minerals from yeast source
Breads
Sausage
Potatoes
Bacon
Corn beef
Lunchmeats
Smoked turkey
Ham
Sauces, gravies
ALL grains -- white rice, brown rice, wheat, oats, barley
Anything sweet -- sugar, honey, molasses, maple syrup, corn syrup, dextrose

Avoid Dry Dog/Cat foods containing:
Poultry-by-product meal
Meat-by-products
Corn syrup
Caramel coloring
Rice flour
Wheat gluten
Corn gluten
Sugar

Recommended Anti-Yeast Diets

Chicken n' Veggies

1 package of chicken thighs with skin (family pack)
Remove chicken skin on half of the pieces and discard.
2 chicken bouillon cubes
2 cloves garlic
1 1/2 cup water
1 bag frozen vegetables (use one vegetable)

In crock-pot place chicken, garlic and 1 1/2 cups water. Cook on LOW for 6 hours or until the chicken is completely cooked. Add vegetables. Stir. Meal is complete.

Before serving, carefully remove the bones. Serve at room temperature. Refrigerator for 6 days -- then discard.

Chicken n' Beans

1 package of chicken thighs with skin (family pack)
Remove skin on half of the pieces and discard.
1 can kidney beans drained (10 oz. can)
2 cloves garlic
1 1/2 cup water
1 bag frozen vegetables or 2 cups fresh vegetables

In crock-pot place chicken, garlic and 1 1/2 cups water. Cook on LOW for 6 hours or until the chicken is completely cooked. Add 1 bag frozen/fresh vegetables and kidney beans. Stir. Meal is complete.

Before serving, carefully remove the bones. Serve at room temperature. Refrigerator for 6 days -- then discard.

Beef Melody

2 lbs. medium fat ground meat or cubed steak
2 cloves garlic
1 1/2 cup water
1 bag frozen vegetables or 2 cups fresh vegetables

In crock-pot place beef, garlic and 1 1/2 cups water. Cook on LOW for 6 hours or until the beef is completely cooked. Turn crock-pot off. Add 1 bag frozen/fresh vegetables. Stir. Meal is complete.

Serve at room temperature. Refrigerator for 6 days -- then discard.

The crock-pot is suggested for ease of cooking, but any method can be used. You can also feed a raw diet, however, it is the position of Purely Pets that BARF feeding has certain dangers. While we are not against it, we do not recommend it because it takes a certain amount of knowledge to feed it risk-free.

Cooking, or feeding raw is not convenient for everyone, and you should not feel guilty or feel that you will never get the problem under control. You can still feed a high quality dry or canned food. However, it will take a little longer to get the yeast problem under control.

Azmira Pet Foods is a yeast free, high quality dog/cat food containing beef meal, lamb meal, and other high quality ingredients. With the addition of Azmira and the supplements listed below, you will be able to treat a yeast infection.

We suggest feeding your pet several small meals a day. Pets should be fed as we do -- breakfast, lunch, dinner and a light snack before bedtime. A feeding schedule is outlined below which you can adjust to your lifestyle.

7:00 a.m. or when you get up: Dry food or homemade diet.
11:00 a.m. Light snack: Vegetable, meat or yogurt.
3:00 p.m. Light snack: Vegetable, meat or yogurt.
7:00 p.m. Dinner: Dry food or homemade diet.
Before bed: Light snack: Vegetable or yogurt.

2. Supplementing is a Must When Treating Skin Disorders

Antibiotics, especially if you give them repeatedly destroy the friendly bacteria. Since antibiotics do not harm yeast, they spread out and raise large families that thrive in moist, dark, warm places, such as the mouth, intestines, ears, and nose. When yeasts multiply, they put out toxins, which circulate through your pet's body and make them sick.

However, I do not recommend discontinuing traditional medicine cold turkey or discontinuing at all. This is YOUR decision based on how the following program works. I highly recommend you work closely with someone knowledgeable in nutrition, such as a holistic vet or pet nutritionist. Many traditional vets may not agree with the program.

Product Recommendations:
Yeast & Fungal d'tox
This is a natural anti-fungal, antibacterial and anti-yeast liquid. It helps the body eliminate Candida overgrowth, vaginal infections, fungal infections and ringworm. It is also supportive in the reduction of Valley Fever. This liquid should be given 3-4 times a day, 1 drop per 5 lbs. of body weight.

Mega Pet
A yeast free vitamin supplement containing vitamins, minerals, and amino acids. It aids in supporting the immune system during the yeast process.

Nature's Finest Herbal Wormer
Worms thrive in a yeast-ridden body; therefore, it is very important to keep the body clean to prevent further health problems.

Ear Relief Wash and Dry
Yeast often causes ear infections and discharge. If this is a problem, I recommend Ear Relief Wash and Dry. This product provides fast relief for pet's ears that itch, smell or appear to be raw, red, sore or greasy. Also helps prevent ear scratching, swimmers ear and wax buildup.

Dermaplex Shampoo
This shampoo is specifically formulated for pets suffering from yeast and bacterial infections. It exfoliates dead skin cell and promotes formation of new skin cells. It is a natural antibacterial agent, which corrects skin health and aids in itch control.

Conclusion:

Pets may show a response to treatment within a month, however some take several months, even a year. The length of treatment seems proportional to the cooperation of the owner. In other words, if the owner gives the remedies once a day, administers antibiotics during the treatment program, and feeds a low quality diet, the treatment will take longer. Treatment will be more effective if the owner remains persistent with the required regimen.

A yeast infection is very frustrating and an ailment that takes commitment on the part of the owner. The program is not easy, however, when the yeast is under control, owners report significant improvement and a new positive lifestyle for the pet.

A consultation is highly recommended before any treatment is started. A consultation will include a personalized diet and holistic program suggestions, all custom-tailored to your pet's personal needs.
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oregonjen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 06:42 PM
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12. Skin infection, I think she may have gotten it from antibiotics she
was on. Will just giving her active culture yogurt cure it? Thank you!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 06:45 PM
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14. oh shit...antibiotics will make yeast grow....try this
Edited on Tue Jun-28-05 06:47 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
Dermaplex Shampoo
This shampoo is specifically formulated for pets suffering from yeast and bacterial infections. It exfoliates dead skin cell and promotes formation of new skin cells. It is a natural antibacterial agent, which corrects skin health and aids in itch control.


Treating A Yeast Infection Naturally -- How To Get Started
http://www.thepetprofessor.com/secArticles/dog/Yeast_in...
The program outlined suggests general guidelines to follow. Since your pet has it's own individual needs, we highly recommend a consultation before beginning the program.

Schedule a consultation with Purely Pets

Many different types of traditional treatments are being used to treat yeast and other skin problems. Although drugs are very effective, in most cases they do not eliminate the cause of the symptom. To get at the cause, you need to look at the whole picture. Once the cause is found, a PREVENTION PLAN can be initiated.

A prevention plan is a simple method of enhancing the level of nutrition and making lifestyle changes. It is an attempt to address any special needs your pet may have.

Prevention Plan

1. Change the Diet -- You Must Feed an Anti-Yeast Diet

An anti-yeast diet is one that includes meats, most vegetables and some diary. An anti-yeast diet will starve the yeast and aid in the healing process. However, diet alone will not control the problem, it is only the first step. Keep in mind a restricted diet does not have to last forever. Once your pet's health improves, you will be able to expand on what you feed.

Foods that are allowed:
Vegetables:
asparagus, broccoli, cauliflower, eggplant, parsley, squash, brussel sprouts, celery, green beans, yellow beans, cucumbers, collard, kale, lettuce, spinach.

Meats:
Beef, duck, chicken, fish, rabbit, turkey, Cornish hen, lamb.

Dairy:
Plain yogurt Stoneyfield Farm yogurt is recommended. Visit their website www.stonyfield.com and type in your city and state to see where you can purchase it. This yogurt contains:

Cultured pasteurized nonfat milk, naturally milled sugar, natural vanilla flavor, pectin, turmeric, made with multiple organisms: S. Thermophilus, L. Bulgaricus, L. Acidophilus, bifidus, L. Casei and L. Reuteri live active cultures.

Purchase the French Vanilla. If you are not able to get Stoneyfield, Dannon Plain yogurt is another option.

Beverages:
Water

Forbidden Foods:
Buttermilk
Cheeses
Packaged cereal
Cottage cheese
Crackers
Flour enriched with vitamins from yeast
Mushrooms Packaged & processed foods
Peanuts
Pretzels
Sorbital
Sweet Potatoes and yams
Vitamin/minerals from yeast source
Breads
Sausage
Potatoes
Bacon
Corn beef
Lunchmeats
Smoked turkey
Ham
Sauces, gravies
ALL grains -- white rice, brown rice, wheat, oats, barley
Anything sweet -- sugar, honey, molasses, maple syrup, corn syrup, dextrose

Avoid Dry Dog/Cat foods containing:
Poultry-by-product meal
Meat-by-products
Corn syrup
Caramel coloring
Rice flour
Wheat gluten
Corn gluten
Sugar

Recommended Anti-Yeast Diets

Chicken n' Veggies

1 package of chicken thighs with skin (family pack)
Remove chicken skin on half of the pieces and discard.
2 chicken bouillon cubes
2 cloves garlic
1 1/2 cup water
1 bag frozen vegetables (use one vegetable)

In crock-pot place chicken, garlic and 1 1/2 cups water. Cook on LOW for 6 hours or until the chicken is completely cooked. Add vegetables. Stir. Meal is complete.

Before serving, carefully remove the bones. Serve at room temperature. Refrigerator for 6 days -- then discard.

Chicken n' Beans

1 package of chicken thighs with skin (family pack)
Remove skin on half of the pieces and discard.
1 can kidney beans drained (10 oz. can)
2 cloves garlic
1 1/2 cup water
1 bag frozen vegetables or 2 cups fresh vegetables

In crock-pot place chicken, garlic and 1 1/2 cups water. Cook on LOW for 6 hours or until the chicken is completely cooked. Add 1 bag frozen/fresh vegetables and kidney beans. Stir. Meal is complete.

Before serving, carefully remove the bones. Serve at room temperature. Refrigerator for 6 days -- then discard.

Beef Melody

2 lbs. medium fat ground meat or cubed steak
2 cloves garlic
1 1/2 cup water
1 bag frozen vegetables or 2 cups fresh vegetables

In crock-pot place beef, garlic and 1 1/2 cups water. Cook on LOW for 6 hours or until the beef is completely cooked. Turn crock-pot off. Add 1 bag frozen/fresh vegetables. Stir. Meal is complete.

Serve at room temperature. Refrigerator for 6 days -- then discard.

The crock-pot is suggested for ease of cooking, but any method can be used. You can also feed a raw diet, however, it is the position of Purely Pets that BARF feeding has certain dangers. While we are not against it, we do not recommend it because it takes a certain amount of knowledge to feed it risk-free.

Cooking, or feeding raw is not convenient for everyone, and you should not feel guilty or feel that you will never get the problem under control. You can still feed a high quality dry or canned food. However, it will take a little longer to get the yeast problem under control.

Azmira Pet Foods is a yeast free, high quality dog/cat food containing beef meal, lamb meal, and other high quality ingredients. With the addition of Azmira and the supplements listed below, you will be able to treat a yeast infection.

We suggest feeding your pet several small meals a day. Pets should be fed as we do -- breakfast, lunch, dinner and a light snack before bedtime. A feeding schedule is outlined below which you can adjust to your lifestyle.

7:00 a.m. or when you get up: Dry food or homemade diet.
11:00 a.m. Light snack: Vegetable, meat or yogurt.
3:00 p.m. Light snack: Vegetable, meat or yogurt.
7:00 p.m. Dinner: Dry food or homemade diet.
Before bed: Light snack: Vegetable or yogurt.

2. Supplementing is a Must When Treating Skin Disorders

Antibiotics, especially if you give them repeatedly destroy the friendly bacteria. Since antibiotics do not harm yeast, they spread out and raise large families that thrive in moist, dark, warm places, such as the mouth, intestines, ears, and nose. When yeasts multiply, they put out toxins, which circulate through your pet's body and make them sick.

However, I do not recommend discontinuing traditional medicine cold turkey or discontinuing at all. This is YOUR decision based on how the following program works. I highly recommend you work closely with someone knowledgeable in nutrition, such as a holistic vet or pet nutritionist. Many traditional vets may not agree with the program.

Product Recommendations:
Yeast & Fungal d'tox
This is a natural anti-fungal, antibacterial and anti-yeast liquid. It helps the body eliminate Candida overgrowth, vaginal infections, fungal infections and ringworm. It is also supportive in the reduction of Valley Fever. This liquid should be given 3-4 times a day, 1 drop per 5 lbs. of body weight.

Mega Pet
A yeast free vitamin supplement containing vitamins, minerals, and amino acids. It aids in supporting the immune system during the yeast process.

Nature's Finest Herbal Wormer
Worms thrive in a yeast-ridden body; therefore, it is very important to keep the body clean to prevent further health problems.

Ear Relief Wash and Dry
Yeast often causes ear infections and discharge. If this is a problem, I recommend Ear Relief Wash and Dry. This product provides fast relief for pet's ears that itch, smell or appear to be raw, red, sore or greasy. Also helps prevent ear scratching, swimmers ear and wax buildup.

Dermaplex Shampoo
This shampoo is specifically formulated for pets suffering from yeast and bacterial infections. It exfoliates dead skin cell and promotes formation of new skin cells. It is a natural antibacterial agent, which corrects skin health and aids in itch control.

Conclusion:

Pets may show a response to treatment within a month, however some take several months, even a year. The length of treatment seems proportional to the cooperation of the owner. In other words, if the owner gives the remedies once a day, administers antibiotics during the treatment program, and feeds a low quality diet, the treatment will take longer. Treatment will be more effective if the owner remains persistent with the required regimen.

A yeast infection is very frustrating and an ailment that takes commitment on the part of the owner. The program is not easy, however, when the yeast is under control, owners report significant improvement and a new positive lifestyle for the pet.

A consultation is highly recommended before any treatment is started
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oregonjen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 06:48 PM
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15. Is this otc or vet prescribed?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 06:53 PM
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17. otc at pet supply stores...$8.00 for 16oz.
Edited on Tue Jun-28-05 06:59 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 11:12 PM
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24. Plain yogurt Stoneyfield Farm yogurt is recommended
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left is right Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 06:42 PM
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13. can you get her to eat yogurt
Yogurt is considered a natural cure for humans with yeast infections
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oregonjen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 06:50 PM
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16. I'll go out tomorrow and get some. Thanks for your help.
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BuddhaGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 10:16 PM
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23. you might try pet probiotics
they will probably work faster than yoghurt.

http://www.natren.com/pages/animalmain.asp

Natren makes very high quality probiotics - if you can't find the one specific to pets in your natural food store, one of their human ones should work - ask the retailer for info.

If you do use yoghurt, get one without any sugar - sugar will only feed the yeast and prolong the problem.

Good luck :-)
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 06:05 PM
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4. Could your dog have anticipated Bush's speech?
All kidding aside, your dog will almost certainly be OK, he just ate something that had to come back up.

:hi:
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 06:39 PM
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11. You should look into changing his food. If he's been eating grass for a
long time, that means his tummy has been bothering him for a long time.

See if you can get a half teaspoon of pepto in him to calm his gut down, and consider changing his food to something higher quality. Do some research on the web for what breeders would recommend for boxers.. sometimes specific breeds do better with other brands...
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 08:17 PM
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19. I'll probably get beat up for saying this, but he's on Iams.
The thing is that I simply cannot afford the Science Diet's of the world. My budget is being pinched more everyday.

Thanks for the tip though - if anyone knows a recommended food for Boxers, please give me a "shout out!"
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Habibi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 08:29 PM
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20. If it's any comfort to you
our elderly Golden is on Science Diet (although she's been skipping breakfast lately--bored with the food? no appetite because of the heat? who knows?) and she still has a host of health problems. Maybe they're mostly due to her age (she's about 14 now), but she's got some allergy problems that our current treatments aren't resolving, and certainly the food isn't. So don't feel bad about the food! It's probably all crap, anyway. :)

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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 08:59 PM
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21. Thanks. And a word about your elderly Golden.
Not to upset you, but I have to say that the last year of my beloved yellow lab, Jesse, he cut down on his food intake. He really cut it back to one feeding a day by his own free will. I lost him in Jan. Still hurts.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 09:34 PM
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22. Well it's about the dog. Cheap food is cheap food, it's important to feed
them high quality stuff. We feed our pups "wellness" which is all natural with excellent ingredients. My pure breed pups do well on it.
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