Do you ever notice how quick to judge people we are?

[BlondieK143]

In all honesty, it's pretty fucking hypocritical. We claim to be so accepting of other people's views and beliefs, yet we're the first ones to judge when someone's ideas don't match out own. And I'm not saying all of DU does it, but there are a huge number of people that claim to be so fucking open, but God forbid anyone have a disagreeing opinion with you. God forbid we respect other people's opinions whether it's about religion or something else. No wonder why we're not winning right now, we're attacking people on OUR FUCKING SIDE. I don't expect everyone to agree with everything on anything, but can't you have the fucking decency to respect someone for who they are????

/rant

[philosophie_en_rose]

1. what brought this up?

:shrug:

[Wetzelbill]

2. the hell with you

I don't agree at all asshole!


Wait....huh? Did I?

Yup, I did.

Sorry.

[Bullwinkle925]

3. Think you might have a point there.

:toast:

[evlbstrd]

4. It's kind of the way I am with my youngest brother.

We agree on something, but still argue about it. And it can get pretty heated sometimes.
I'm pretty sure the beer doesn't help.

[democracyindanger]

5. Heh. Wait until the next primaries.

[progmom]

6. yes, i feel similarly sometimes

:thumbsup:

[BlondieK143]

11. It's sickening.

And I thought we were supposed to be the 'smart' ones.

[Swede]

7. We do jump in each other's face quite a bit.

But we all can spot a freeper at fifty yards.

[JohnKleeb]

8. Both sides are cannibals and people naturally are assholes

Check your PM, anyhow there are some who act like its unreasonable to date or be friends with a person with differing political views. Fuck that, I am gonna be friends with people if I can connect with them in someway.

[Elidor]

9. You're judging me for being judgemental?

I don't judge you for being judgemental. The simple truth is that we must all make value judgements as we navigate this world. Some of them are harsh, and some of them are not harsh enough. Everyone we interact with is judged on multiple levels every time we interact with them. And many are found wanting. Sad but true.

[BlondieK143]

14. I'm not judging you - I'm telling you what I know based on proof.

There's a huge difference.

[Elidor]

18. It was a rhetorical question

I'm saying it's human nature to judge. We are compelled to do it. We can learn to be kinder and gentler about it, but we will always do it.

[BlondieK143]

20. That doesn't mean it's right.

And it doesn't mean it's excusable.

[aquaman]

10. Because it's the internet....

I believe people get a little crazy at times and say things to people online on DU that they would never say to someone's face. However, if they type it, that means that they likely think it. Political affiliation means nothing when it comes to ignorance, this is prevalent on all sides of the political spectrum.

[BlondieK143]

12. Couldn't have said it better.

I guess I just had higher standards for DU.

[enigmatic]

15. Bingo

There are zealots and judgemental assholes all over the political spectrum; this place isn't any different. We're all flawed human beings, and the internet (and message boards) bring out the best, and worst in people. That's never going to change.

[Trajan]

13. This is silly ....

Who expects someone else to NOT have a different opinion ? ...

Maybe its you ....

[BlondieK143]

16. Did you even read my posts? And yes, as a matter of fact, I'm the problem

That's it. You've figured me out. :eyes: You can have all the fucking different opinions you want - but when you can't respect someone BECAUSE they have different beliefs, that's when I have an issue. This isn't about agreeing with anyone, it's about RESPECT.

[hfojvt]

30. I really think that is part of our platform

and I am not sure it should not be.
Should we respect bigots? Racists? Misogynists? The wilfully ignorant? Those who argue with ad hominem vitriol?
I don't think so, unless they have shown they deserve it in other respects, say by being good neighbors, or by showing better informed or more reasonable opinions on other issues. That is something newbies have not yet earned.
Still I prefer to argue, or discuss, the ideas, more than the person holding the ideas. I prefer to combat ignorance and hatred with reason, logic, and information.
Also, I see a lot of DUers who favorably impress me with their passion and their knowledge and their compassion. We are not all knee-jerk bashers, not by a long shot. The glass is more than half-full, although not perfectly full.

[BlondieK143]

31. Are you kidding me???

"Still I prefer to argue, or discuss, the ideas, more than the person holding the ideas. I prefer to combat ignorance and hatred with reason, logic, and information."

Where are you getting the idea that I think this stuff is wrong??? All I'm asking for is a little respect when my opinion differs from someone else's. And for fuck's sake, I didn't think I had to prove that I deserve it.

[hfojvt]

35. Is that meant to be funny?

Because it is, in an ironic way. Your post was very quick to judge that I had responded in a hostile manner to you. You seem to be shouting at me and throwing the f-bomb.
You stated in your OP that we should respect other people, and their opinions instead of being quick to attack them. Yet you responded to me with a quick attack which is hard for me to see as respectful.
Because I do not know you that well, I am not sure if this is meant to be a joke, since we are in the lounge or if you accidentally created an egregious example of the very thing you were complaining about.
I also would ask where did you get the idea that I had the idea that you think this stuff is wrong? To your question of "Where are you getting the idea that I think this stuff is wrong???"
Did I say you thought that stuff was wrong? I do not believe I did. I said something more like "We, as progressive minded people, are intolerant of bigots, but I, like yourself, prefer to attack the ideas rather than the people holding the ideas."
Some of the harsher attacks I see, personally on DU, come from misinterpretations of what I said.

[BlondieK143]

36. Okay, first of all.

It's fuck. Not the f-bomb. I'm sorry, next time I'll abbreviate it for you.

I give up. I added a little humor to that last post in hopes of letting this whole thing go. Some people don't change and I just have to get over that fact. After all, this IS the Lounge. :)

[hfojvt]

40. abbreviating does not change things

It is still the f-bomb. Doesn't mean I am scared of it, only that, as properly understood, it is the word used when you are really fu$%ing pi$$ed off!! I am well aware that some people use it fu#%ing casually as their favorite fu@#ing adjective, but I always wonder what those people use when they really get fu#%ing pi$$ed off. Supercalifragilisticexpialifu#%ingdocius?

[BlondieK143]

41. LOL!

Actually, I prefer fuckity fuck fuck fuck. :D

I just tend to let 'fuck' slip out, it's not just an anger thing.

[Trajan]

32. Respect is given ...

and maintained when deserved ...

Many dont deserve a second thought ....

[BlondieK143]

33. Pardon me.

I thought I had it around here.

[Java]

17. Its just Human Nature

Blondiek143...you are perfectly correct. One of the most horrible traits we human beings have is our own inhumanity towards others who are different than us.

This is true of any culture or race...but because it is true, does not mean that it is excusable. In fact since most of us on this board, are well educated, and living well off (particularly in comparison to many people in third world contries): it is particularly shameful behavior upon our own part. We should know better, and show a greater degree of tolerance and empathy towards differences than the Conservatives.

Being Liberal Minded in the classical sense is what makes us different and superior towards our ignorant brethren who control Congress and the White House.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

34. When everybody realizes this...

recognizing that the tendency exists in each of us, whether we choose to act on it or not, regardless of political or religious affiliation...humankind will have made a major evolutionary stride.

[Zomby Woof]

19. I don't claim those things

I only trust my own views, and have no problem judging others, due to my realistic and cynical world view coupled with my misanthropic nature.

So yeah, I judge. At lightning speed.

[BlondieK143]

21. If that's how you choose to live your life - fine.

It's your's to live.

Personally, I like to think I'm a little less arrogant.

[Zomby Woof]

22. Arrogance can be a virtue

I don't buy the conventional wisdom that it is a bad thing. I use it to my advantage, often. I am not sure where this idea came from that we must be all-embracing and lovey-dovey of others' world views. When it comes to fascism, for example, I am pretty damn intolerant, and yes, intellectually arrogant when striking it down.

[BlondieK143]

24. Like I said...

that's the way you choose to live your life. However, I don't think that just because a person is embracing and accepting means they are less of a human being. In fact, I find those people to be the most beautiful.

[Zomby Woof]

27. I looked at what I wrote

And I never said "embracing and accepting makes one less of a human being". Nowhere at all did I say that.

I cannot debate this point with someone who ascribes opinions to me I do not have.

The old adage goes, "Be open-minded, but no open-minded that your brains fall out." I do not think that is a bad way to 'choose to live my life'.

I tend to think creative, independent thinkers are the most beautiful, and courageous people. I do not want to surround myself with clones of the same opinion. How dull!

[progmom]

28. ZW, you and Blondie seem to be coming from a similar position

...but you're phrasing it differently.

I think she is all about diversity of opinions. What gets her is when there is no respect shown.

[Zomby Woof]

38. I thnk it's a Cruise-sensitivity issue

The way emotions have been heated over him as of late, and the timing of the new movie he is in, it should be known by anyone who brings him up that flames will fly, and opinions will be trounced upon, right or wrong.

When a person brings up a heated topic in the Lounge, they should NOT expect delicacy or diplomacy to be the ruling ethos (it would be nice, but long-time observers know better). Cruise is, for whatever reason, the Hot Topic du jour, and should be brought up at one's peril. :-)

[BlondieK143]

39. You can believe that if you would really like.

But it's not just about him. You know, you're not the only one that's been here for awhile. I lurked for a long time before I joined. I may be young, but I'm, in no means, stupid. If you have been a long-time observer, you would be one of the first ones to realize the truth in what I'm saying. But maybe it's acceptable behavior to you. Maybe it's okay in your mind for others to judge people before they even know them. However, that bullshit is not okay with me, and I'm not afraid to say it. Tom Cruise is a celebrity. A celebrity I'll never encounter and I'll never care what he says. This is about something bigger and I'm sorry you can't understand that.

[Zomby Woof]

61. Naw

I understand. :-)

I know my ability to judge and my wisdom were acquired with years of life experience. I tend not to heed the words of younger people, or if not younger, less experienced in the ways of the world and of life.

[BlondieK143]

62. I hope you aren't insinuating that with myself.

I could probably tell you and teach you things that would make your head spin.

[BlondieK143]

29. No, you didn't say that.

But you certainly insinuated that it was a less noble thing.

I'm not asking you to debate with me. You didn't have to click on this thread and you certainly don't have to keep responding. That's the beauty of 'hide thread' and the ignore feature.

And I think you've missed the WHOLE point of this thread. I never said everyone has to believe the same thing!

[HuckleB]

23. Umm. Maybe we all secretly want to be on the Supreme Court?

:shrug:

:hi:

[BlondieK143]

25. That's it.

:D

[Floogeldy]

26. I read you. And I am with you on that.

B-)

[Omphaloskepsis]

37. We are breaking the Internet..

BlondieK143: :thumbsup:

[Seabiscuit]

42. Even those of us who strive to follow the golden rule fuck up and fall

flat on our faces at times. It's human nature. I'm as guilty as the next person. And the internet seems to facilitate the ugliness in all of us.

[BlondieK143]

43. I agree.

And I mess up too, way too much actually. *sigh* I guess I just wish things could be handled better.

[UdoKier]

44. You're a real ballbreaking PC b*tch to say a thing like that.

Just playin'

;)


But seriously, this seems like more of a GD topic...

[BlondieK143]

45. Are you kidding me?

I don't have invisible balls, ya know? :D Actually, I don't have the energy to argue with all the "You're not a dem!" "Freeper alert!" replies I'd get. :D

[UdoKier]

46. You have a point there.

You freeper troll...


:P

[BlondieK143]

47. You know it!

:D

[spacelady]

48. Sometimes I think it's about playing devil's advocate and

just being provocative, then getting jumped on and finally having to scuttle away....

[BlondieK143]

50. Um..

Are you trying to imply that's what I did? :shrug:

[spacelady]

51. No, that's just me & I replied because I appreciate you bringing the

subject into discussion, because every once in a while I get a wild hair & take another view of a subject just to see where it leads. So, I think some of the divisiveness is healthy, but when it sinks into namecalling and disrespect, it can be hurtful. So you see, my initial post was unclear; I agree with you, but the printed word does not always convey true intent.

[BlondieK143]

52. Thank you.

And I completely know where you're coming from. I think that a few people may feel this way, but aren't always ones to come out and say "hey, stop." :shrug:

[spacelady]

53. I hear ya, but I am usually too reticent to call someone on it, so

I just scuttle away...maybe I'll grow a pair someday.Ha!

[BlondieK143]

54. LOL!

That's okay, sometimes I just like to avoid confrontation. :) BTW, I know you have over 100 posts, but still... welcome to DU! :)

[spacelady]

56. Now THAT made me feel good! Thanks!

[BlondieK143]

59. You're very welcome!

:hi:

[grace0418]

49. Yeah, but what really scares me is something I discovered today.

That many people who are supposedly liberal/progressive/whatever would easily resort to the kind of "us vs. them" mob justice that freepers use if it came down to it. I guess I thought people here understood the whole "working for a greater good" concept but in many cases I was wrong. It was eye-opening.

[BlondieK143]

57. The truth definitely sucks.

And it sucks thinking you know one thing yet another is true.

[MrSandman]

55. Quick to judge leaves us with...

Lack of respect for the capacities of others and the dehumanization of others.

Ex: GOP candidate is soooo stoopid; he doesn't have a chance, we will skate.

Ex: Instead of Christians who may oppose economic injustice MORE than same-sex marriage they are fundy freepers.

How large a section of the electorate can we afford to continue to dismiss?

Do we really want to dismiss them?

[BlondieK143]

58. Thank you for posting this.

Seriously. :applause:

[MrSandman]

60. (Un)common sense...nt