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toddzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:13 PM
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let's create the mother of all recommended reading lists!!!
Edited on Sun Nov-02-03 08:13 PM by toddzilla
ok, after being apolitical most of my life i've started getting into politics in a big way. i'm seriously considering going back to school for a degree in either political science or philosophy. i've done some reading over the past few months but nothing super heavy. i've read some chomsky, howard zinn (people's history), william grieder and a few others that escape me. i'm currently reading a book on the new deal edited by zinn but is a collection of essays.

what should be on a good liberal's mother of all "you MUST read" list in order to really get what's behind it all? please don't put stuff like franken's book and all the bush-bashing stuff, i've read it and it's all well and good but it doesn't really teach you anything.


fire away!!!

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onebigbadwulf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:16 PM
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1. 1 Moore book
...that isn't a bush bashing fest


Downsize this. Excellent foreshadow to the corporate take-over we've seen today.
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MrSoundAndVision Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:21 PM
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3. Here's one:
"THE PORTABLE THOMAS JEFFERSON" is really incredible

after all thomas jefferson is the father of american liberalism
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Scottie72 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:20 PM
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2. My suggestion:
Johnny Got His Gun.

I believe it is a must read, though it can be a bit difficult to get through the style the book is written in.. if you can get past that it is just incredible. I actually really enjoy the style it is written and didn't have a problem with it.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:22 PM
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4. The Best Democracy Money Can Buy
It's Still the Economy, Stupid
Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:24 PM
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5. A History of the left
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:24 PM
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6. "Defying Hitler" by Sebastian Haffner.
To me, the definitive book about the Nazi mindset and the paralysis it induces in society.
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toddzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:31 PM
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7. good stuff
i'm looking for historical perspective, writings that are more in-depth than just talking about elections etc..

maybe some books on marxism and socialism?

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Ignoramus Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 04:36 AM
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23. marks and so shall he's him
The first has not just marx but other writings too, including the Engels book I recommended:

http://www.marxists.org
http://www.anarchismfaq.org

virtual tin foil:

http://www.publicproxyservers.com
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phaseolus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:32 PM
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8. two choices --
Carville's "We're Right, They're Wrong", because we are
Jean Giono, "The Man who Planted Trees". Not a political book, just good for the spirit.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:35 PM
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9. Here's my start:
Blinded by the Right: The Conscience of an Ex-Conservative

The Clinton Wars, Sidney Blumenthal

Living History, Hillary Rodham Clinton

We’re Right, They’re Wrong, James Carville

Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right, Al Franken

Fortunate Son, J. H. Hatfield

Shrub, Molly Ivins

Bushwhacked, Molly Ivins

The Great Unraveling, Paul Klugman

Stupid White Men, Michael Moore

Dude, Where’s My Country, Michael Moore

The Best Democracy Money Can Buy: The Truth About Corporate Cons, Globalization and High-Finance Fraudsters, Greg Palast

The Politics of Meaning, Michael Lerner

Who Will Tell the People, William Greider

The Past Has Another Pattern, George Ball

Big Lies, Joe Conason

The Conscience of a Liberal, Paul Wellstone

Globalization and It’s Discontents, Joseph Stiglitz

The Radical Center, Ted Halstead, Michael Lind

The Soul of Capitalism, William Greider


And a bunch of stuff by Will Pitt.


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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 09:15 PM
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16. Wow, you just listed about 3/4 of my library of political books
Might I add just one more to your list?

The Hunting of the President by Joe Conason and Gene Lyons.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 11:03 PM
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19. Done! Thanks.
I've added it to my acquisitions list. :hi:
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:41 PM
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10. Dreaming War.
Dreaming War: Blood for Oil and the Cheney-Bush Junta by Gore Vidal.
Forbidden Truth by Brisard & Dasquie.
The Silent Takeover by Noreena Hertz.
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david_vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:42 PM
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11. Plato
as much of him as you can fit in, but, if nothing else, at least the Republic.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:44 PM
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12. A few...
And a good deal of it nonfiction... Really! There's much to be learned there.

"Resistance, Rebellion and Death" by Albert Camus
"The Oath" by Khassan Baiev
"Travels In Alaska" by John Muir
"One Hundred Years of Solitude" by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
"The Cyclist" by Viken Berberian
"Counting Coup" by Larry Colton
"Every War Has Two Losers" by William Stafford
"The Orange Tree" by Carlos Fuentes
And, of course, Jon Dos Passos...
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dae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:50 PM
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13. "The Walls of Jericho", by Robert Mann. Very long but an excellent book
on the inside story of Civil Rights legislation in the '60s. The obstacles overcome and at what cost to the Democratic Party.
Definitly not lite reading but worth it.
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:59 PM
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14. Night Comes to the Cumberlands (1963), by Harry Caudill
Best nonfiction book out there describing poverty in rural America, and significant evidence of the accomplishments of the Great Society.

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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 09:13 PM
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15. More...
"Demons" by Fyodor Dostoevsky
"Stories" by Julio Cortazar
"The Theory of the Leisure Class" by Thorstein Veblen
"The Aeneid" by Virgil
"Life In The Iron Mills" by Rebecca Harding Davis
"A Slave to Duty and Other Women" and "The Lion's Share" by Alice French
"The Iron Heel" by Jack London
"Man on a Road" by Albert Maltz
"Native Son" by Richard Wright
"Looking Backward 2000-1877" by Edward Bellamy
"A Dream of John Ball" by William Morris
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jafap Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 04:51 AM
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24. Is the Morris book "News from Nowhere"
Or is it a different book?
Someone put Quinn the Eskimo on the list, so all I have to add is Vonnegut - Jailbird; God Bless You Mr. Rosewater; Player Piano; and Mother Night (has to be on the "mother" of all reading lists)
E.F. Schumacher - Small is Beautiful; Good Work
Charlotte Perkins Gilman - Herland
James Loewen - Lies my teacher told me
Wendell Barry - Unsettling of America
Lawrence Goodwin (Goodwyn?)- The Populist Moment
Scott Nearing - Living the Good Life; Education of a Radical
Howard Fast - The American
Charles Hopkins - The Rise of the Social Gospel
Paul Wachtel - The Poverty of Affluence

a short list
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theemu Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 09:24 PM
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17. The Revolution of Everyday Life
by Raoul Vaneigem, a situationist philosopher. Available online here:

http://library.nothingness.org/articles/SI/en/pub_contents/5
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 11:01 PM
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18. The Mother of all Reading Lists?
Here is mine:

*The Crimson Petal and the White*

*The Corrections*

*Cutter and Bone*

*The Crying of Lot Forty-Nine*

*The Dead*

*Pride and Prejudice*

*Oliver Twist*

*The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn*

*Catcher in the Rye"
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Norbert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 11:13 PM
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20. It wouldn't be complete without To Kill a Mockingbird
by Harper Lee
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Leftist78 Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 12:13 AM
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21. ok here goes
If I had to recomend one nonfiction book for anyone to read it would be A People's History of The United States by Zinn

as far as fiction. Johnny Got His Gun, The Jungle, The Grapes of Wrath, Catcher in the Rye, Oliver Twist and the one I'm working on right now :evilgrin:
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Ignoramus Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 04:28 AM
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22. Smattering
The origin of the family, private property and the state - Frederick Engels

Disorients the notions of holy political/religious/social hierarchies. He points out that wealth could not be inherited along male lineage without women having a single husband exclusively.

He suggests that the institution of the family arose as a byproduct of trying to concentrate wealth and power along male lines (and he points out that he's not trying to suggest that we should therefore engage in sexual promiscuity).

Essentially, it makes the point that the accumulation of wealth and power is at the heart of some ideas that are commonly thought of as ideals handed down by God.

Beyond Good and Evil - Friedrich Nietzsche

Disorients the notions of good and bad and good and evil. For example, he suggests that there is significance to the origins of the words good and bad (gut and schlecht) which are from rich and poor (rich is good, poor is bad).

He portrays an aspect of judeo-christian ideology of sticking up for the underdog as peculiar resentment (the word comes from "to feel again"), which he refers to as an obsessive clinging to a sentiment about people (a cherished hatred of the wrong-doer).

So, my take on that relates to something I see in right-wing ideology. I think a lot of people think that agreeing with whomever is in power is positive, while disagreeing is negative, which of course that is true in a sense. Disagreeing is negating something.
If you disagree you are a spoil sport. If you are able to disagree, you are disagreeable.

So, while disagreeing with people who are in power is not evil in an absolute sense, there is a seed of tryanny in rebellion. That notion is critically important I think.

Presumably some hugely powerful person isn't interested in destroying you, they are just willing to destroy to better themselves. On the other hand, opposing that person does involve wanting to destroy that person (or his power or whatever). At that point, the powerful destructive guy is not trying to control you, while you ARE trying to control him. There's the seed of tyranny.

It's been a while since I read it, but that's what I remember. It was one of the only books I've read that had ideas that really astonished me, and that were radically different than what I had thought of before.

Ishmael - Daniel Quinn

Told from the perspective of a gorilla (I know, that sounds lame, but it actually reads well): discusses the notion of "leavers" and "takers", as roles that entities play in an ecosystem.

"Leavers" are hunter-gatherer and nomadic people and most other animals, who live within the scope of a law he sees as: you can be a predator as long as you are prey. "Takers" are those who see the world as belonging to them, as something to be exploited.

"Takers" are unique in tending to intentionaly destroy others, like wipe out all of some species that is competing with them. "Leavers" don't, e.g. the lions don't conspire to exterminate the hyenas.

The book makes a point about the christian bible that seems interesting, but I don't know enough history to judge how accurate it is. He says that the story of the fall from Eden and of Cain and Abel, is a story of the birth of Agriculture. He says it was a piece of Semitic (Leaver) war propaganda that was adopted by the Hebrews (Takers) as their own story.

In the story the agriculturalists are the bad guys who God curses to live by the sweat of their brow and expells them from Eden. He says the agriculturalists were the caucasians, and that the mark of Cain is white skin.

The garden of Eden he says was land in which hunter gatherers and then nomadic herders lived. The garden holds the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

The knowledge of good and evil is the knowledge of who shall live and who shall die. That is, in order to see the world as existing for you to exploit, you would have to feel you have the knowledge of who/what shall live and die.

He portrays the tree of life as representing prosperity or population growth, the life of your group.

In the garden, there are Adam (which means, literally, "man") and Eve (which means, not woman, but "life"). He says Eve has her name in the story because nomadic people have to carefully regulate the proportion of males and females in a group. The more women there are, the more babies there are to feed, and this is limited by how much food you can acquire with the people in your group. So Eve is representing the issue of babies and population growth...

The semites he says were nomadic herders who were being encroached upon by the caucasian agriculturalists. Agriculturalists do not need to be careful about the growth of their familes as much. They can grow their families as large as they want as long as they can keep getting control of more land. So, there is an impetus to control more and more land to increase your wealth and feed your expanding group.

In the story, Adam being tempted by Eve is man seeing that he does not need to control his population growth, that he can pursue limitless growth by taking on the idea that he can decide who shall live and who shall die. Cain represents the encroaching caucasian, he slaughters Abel as the encroaching caucasians supposedly did to the semitic herders. This act is frowned upon by God, and the caucasians are forced to live in what from the semites perspective was misery: life as agriculturalists, living by the sweat of their brow.

I know that there are groups of Ishmael fans, or whatever. I haven't paid any attention to them yet. So, in case they are fanatics, I should point out that I don't know anything about them!! I'm also not religious or I'm religiously anti-religious...
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