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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:35 PM
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The five most unlistenable records in my collection:
And by "unlistenable," I mean "fucked-up, noisy, tension-producing, wacked-out, and obscure."


Area: Event '76

Area were an Italian progressive rock band of the mid-70's who extended some of the ideas of Henry Cow, Zappa, and King Crimson into free-jazz and experimental realms that the creators themselves could barely imagine. It was said that even John Cage was a fan.
Although the rest of their catalogue resembles music (as most sentient humans know it), this live (!!!!) record resembles no known genre, includes no forward motion, and is noisier than a dildo factory. Mechanical drones, a few sax bleats courtesy of Steve Lacy (!!!!!!!), some fast drum tattoos, but mainly a monolithic, static-y black cloud of dense noise. All in all, about as psychedelic as finding a severed toe in your Slurpee, which is odd, since this band's market was the mellow prog audience....imagine if Genesis suddenly turned into the Boredoms and you'll have the feel of "Event '76."

Blue Humans: Clear to Higher Time ?rm_____D.Bb22UHe

Regarded by noise aficionados as their high=water mark, this is NYC guitar terrorist Rudolph Grey's art-jazz band. "Clear to Higher Time" is nothing more, nothing less, than a detuned guitar, a heavy pick, and Satan himself scraping his scaly cock against a drummer bashing his cymbals for forty minutes straight. One single crescendo....that never subsides. I use it after a hard day at work. Good stuff.

Incapacitants: No Progress

Possibly the most unpleasant record ever made. There is no sound on this album that resembles the output of a playable instrument. For a half an hour, a fifty-foot fingernail is scraped against a blackboard the size of a football field. It sounds like a dentist's drill, but in a good way.

Doug Snyder and Bob Thompson: Daily Dance

Long before there was a "noise scene," there were isolated eruptions in musky corners; socio-musical outcasts plying a trade no one had a use for. While the rest of the world was digging Yes, The Partridge Family, and Jim Croce, Doug Snyder and his drummer buddy Bob locked themselves in an Ohio living room for a day in 1973 while bashing the juicy fuck out of their guitar and drums (respectively). Untuned, unrestrained, unlistenable. It was released on a Candaian Jazz label and the world, surprisingly enough, ignored it, even though their aesthetic was a good ten years ahead of its time; no one would find a use for these sounds until the tail end of the No Wave era, when Sonic Youth picked up this particular torch.

Mahogany Brain: Smooth, Sick Lights ?rm_____D_KZqeeK1

Is it possible that the French are the enemy, like the republicans say?
Sometimes the ideas that the English-speaking world takes for granted get translated by other cultures, coming out the other side resembling nothing the creators had intended. Using simple rock instruments, but having no earthly idea how to play them, Frenchies Mahogany Brain decided to record an album in 1972. What they ended up putting to disk anticipated the racket Half Japanese later pooted forth in the early 80's, but (and here's the clincher): Mahogany Brain fancied themselves something along the lines of Yes or Jimi Hendrix.
Guitars twang away, untuned, drums stumble all over themselves, puking. A singer oinks and whistles like a pig, alien to the concept of "key" and "form."
A masterpiece.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:37 PM
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1. You win an obscure recordings award!!
The best I can do is:

The Shaggs

Metal Machine Music - Lou Reed
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:44 PM
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7. Thank you!
Finally, a purpose in life!

I used to play The Shaggs' "Philosophy of the World" for tripping friends of mine back in high school.
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Midnight Rambler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:39 PM
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2. I've never heard this record, but...
I hear Lou Reed's "Metal Machine Music" is about as unlistenable as it gets. When I saw this in a record store, it sported a sticker that boasted "Voted Worst Album of the Year by Rolling Stone!"
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:42 PM
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4. Yeah, it's great/bad.
I know a guy who bought it on 8-track. MMM recently got reissued on CD, by the way.
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:43 PM
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38. Metal Machine "Music " is horrendous -
it is capable of causing cancer in lab mice, will kill house pets, render ordinary people bat$hit crazy w/in 10 minutes, etc. :crazy:

I used to use it to clear a record store at closing time. That or Yoko Ono's "Approximately Infinite Universe" which was just about as atrocious. Neither one ever failed to empty the premises
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 05:12 PM
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51. I thought it was a clever way to get out of a recording contract
after that 'performance', any sane label would release the artist
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:40 PM
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3. "Black Kangaroo" by Peter Kaukonen
(brother of Jorma K of Jefferson Airplane and Hot Tuna) is mine. I'm a fan of Jorma, but this monstronsity is one of the most unlistenable pieces of crap I've ever heard.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:43 PM
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6. What about "Bodacious DF?"
Grunt records put out some weird shit back in thew early 70's.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:50 PM
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10. I Know Grunt, but not BDF
Any relation to the JA family of bands?
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:56 PM
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15. Yeah, Marty Balin was a member.
Odd, hookless blues-funk-rock.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:42 PM
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57. Well, if you're going to open the "rock star's brother" can of worms...
...then you also have to throw in the collected works of Chris Jagger, Simon Townsend, Michael McGear (aka McCartney), Livingston Taylor, etc.

And Johnnie Van Zant, who took a tribute to his brother WAY too far.
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:43 PM
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5. Any of my home recordings.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:50 PM
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11. There are some recordings of my first band
still in existence. I played drums originally. De-tuned guitars (neither of which played anything similar or in the same key. One of the guitarists often just barred frets and strummed), practically frantic, chaotic bass lines and my insane headache inducing drum pounding :banghead:

This was when I was 13 or 14. I am now a bass player/ guitarist. I have improved a bit since then. But I will always love our patented "wall of noise" approach to music in those days
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:55 PM
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14. I'd pay good money for those recordings.
If I had any money, that is.

When I was 8, I had a band called The Soldiers. Our big song was called "The Soldiers are Gonna Invade Your Town," and we sounded a bit like the Beatles, if the Beatles were both retarded and deaf.

I had a radio show in NAshville dedicated to noise-rock, and I played a tape of that song between some Lydia Lunch and MEV, and you literally could not tell which was made by kids and which was made by adults.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:01 PM
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17. That is hilarious
my brother, me and a neighbor once recorded an album of "hits" on a little old tape recorder with acoustic guitars and a casio keyboard. Our best song was "Buttnugget" but "Juan Iminez Pisses his Pants" (a song about a kid in our middle school) was a real rocker in the style of Chuck Berry, had Chuck Berry been lobotomized and been backed by a band of drugged orangutangs.

I really wish i had a radio station
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:45 PM
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8. that was a brilliant set of reviews
You should write for a magazine or a local zine or something. I am not joking either :o
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:49 PM
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9. Been doing that most of my life, man.
The life of a rock critic is lonely, thankless, and filled with angry, teary-eyed masturbation.

Actually, my dream is to go to the Medill School of Journalism and write some "big people" articles for "big people" newspapers.
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cassandra uprising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:51 PM
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12. Oh you, you fiend of obscurity you.
:hi:
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:53 PM
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13. Where the hell have YOU been?!
:hi: :hi: :hi:


I miss you guys so much. Did Marie tell you that I sat moping all day after y'all left?
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cassandra uprising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:58 PM
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16. You don't even know
what a bunch a pathetic sappy mop-a-rific blokes J and I have been since Chi-town.

I've been trying not to go nuts with everything moving, wedding planning crap and haven't had much puter time.

:hi:
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:03 PM
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19. Well...I hope the move goes well for yuz.
But really, there's a few vacancies in our building, and rent's cheap......Ah, let's not go there.
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cassandra uprising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:16 PM
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24. Don't go there
God don't like ugly and I'll get ugly. But noooooo Mister Artsy Fartsy pants has to be in the Big Bad Apple.

Actually, his fam got me a high end catering gig lined up. Hopefully it will be enough to pay rent and be flexible enough for me to do some acting.

We are effing nuts. If I can keep my head screwed on until Oct 1 it'll be a miracle.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:20 PM
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25. Ouch! Struck a nerve. Me so sorry.
What's HE gonna be doing until then?
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cassandra uprising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:22 PM
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27. Eating bon bons
:evilfrown:
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:25 PM
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30. Uh oh.
Is he bringing home any money? Does bon-bon eating carry any benefits? Is he bonded with the state?

I'm so sorry.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:34 PM
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32. I make a pretty penny with my eateries
I do
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:37 PM
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34. Oh yeah? You ain't ho-in'?
Apparently there's a fertile market for an entry-level crack dealer out there, too, y'know.

Seriously, though: what are y' doin' for money, man?
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cassandra uprising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:39 PM
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36. He's on the dole
but the ho-in, now that idea has merit.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:03 PM
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18. Atari Teenage Riot - "60 Second Wipeout"
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:04 PM
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20. Man, they were goofy, weren't they?
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:06 PM
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21. But I enjoy them
So noisy and harsh, but somehow enjoyable.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:08 PM
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22. I can fricking top ALL of you!!


Yes, I own it on vinyl, why I bought it I have no idea. Hell the fricking Rice University Marching Owls version is on it

Top that suckers!
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:12 PM
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23. There's a subset of "weird music" record collectors who....
only collect high school band recordings. I have a tape of some high school orchestra from Michigan playing the "Theme from Shaft" that is so disconnected and off that it's almost like listening to Ornette Coleman.
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bbernardini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:22 PM
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28. I have a recording of myself in marching band playing "Theme from Shaft".
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:35 PM
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33. Speaking of which....
Song X by Ornette and Pat Metheny

:puke:

Otherwise known as "Music to Chase Customers Out of the Store By."

Oi my aching head!
FSC
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:39 PM
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35. People have told me this was a good record....
But I have a phobia about Pat Metheney, so I've never heard it.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:14 PM
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46. It's like...
Shostakovich or John Cage on acid. Both of whom I can't stand.

FSC
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:42 PM
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37. I've got a bunch of those
probably 15-20 of mostly Canadian High School band records; I use them pretty often on my Insane show. You can find some truly amazing records in thrift stores; I'm lucky we've got some incredible ones here in Edmonton..
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:47 PM
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41. Of course, Canada's where the Langley Schools Music Project was from.
Hey, man! How you doing? :hi:


Collecting high school band records is risky, though. Sometimes they're competent.(shudder) There's nothing worse than a high school band that doesn't even have the decency to play out of tune.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:02 PM
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43. I'm alright...
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 02:03 PM by enigmatic
And the Langley one is da freakin' Holy Grail; I know a guy here that found the first record in a thrift store in Grande Prairie last year, the sonofabitch!

Did you know Hans is retiring? I just read something on this not too long ago..
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bbernardini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:23 PM
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29. I have a CD of 20-something different versions of "Satisfaction".
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:46 PM
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40. Marching owls
I know that the Rice teams are named The Owls, but the words "marching owls" just conjures up a really weird mental picture. Or maybe it's just me. . . :silly:
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 05:07 PM
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48. I have that one, bought it at a yard sale for a buck
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bbernardini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:20 PM
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26. Those sound KICK ASS. Are they on CD?
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:27 PM
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31. Most of them.
The Mahogany Brain was re-ished on Spalax, the Daily Dance released on Wadada Leo Smith's jazz label....Akarma re-ished the Area disk (without liner notes in English, though).

And The Blue Humans rec I bought on cassette, beleive it or not.

As for the Incapacitants rec, I have a CD-R of it.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:44 PM
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39. I love Blue Humans
Rudolph Grey is a fucking genius.

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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:49 PM
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42. He is great......
Back when Beaver Harris was in the band, they were doing some truly revolutionary things. Then they dropped the saxist and got really out there.
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48pan Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:04 PM
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44. Vanilla Fudge
You Keep Me Hangin' On is incredibly bad. Why did I buy it???
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SouthoftheBorderPaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:08 PM
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45. Hear hear
I heard that version on "hangin' on" from The Fudge a few years ago. Made me gag!
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48pan Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 04:57 PM
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47. Not only one of the worst songs of all time...
It turned out to be one of the longest songs as well. I guess you had to be on acid to appreciate it.
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Z_I_Peevey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 05:09 PM
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49. My Top Two unlistenable recordings
are (vinyl, natch) Wendy Bagwell, Here Come the Rattlesnakes, and the soundtrack to Rumble Fish, composed by Stewart Copeland. It just reeks of pretentious electronic hoo-hah.
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 05:11 PM
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50. You bastard
Now I'm going to have to go out and find some of those. My son is a burgeoning noise artist and has gotten me into it. At this point probably the harshest stuff I own is SPK.
But THE MOST disturbing album that I have is Tales from the Great Book Vol 2 Abraham as told by Ronald Reagon
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:45 PM
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55. Oh, they're worth it.
If only to hear ONCE. Just as I recommend everyone do acid or mushrooms ONCE in their lives, just for the experience, I recommend everyone immerse their senses in the most extreme noise at least once in their lives....clears out the cobwebs, as Lester Bangs might have said.

That's great that you have a kid into this stuff...when I was about 14, I wanted to find the most punishing, squalling noise holocaust I could imagine and got heavily into the post-Sonic Youth school of guitar-damaging improv-noise. Now that I'm thirty, I like to have input from all over the spectrum.
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 12:55 AM
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60. I'm pretty proud of him
He's finally getting his stuff out and doing some shows. The band he is with just did a mini-tour, but they play more tame stuff than his solo work.
Link to his website http://existest.org/ghostking/
sample http://existest.org/burnward/Immolation/clip.mp3
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 05:13 PM
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52. The Flying Lizards
The only recording I have that causes my dog to get up and walk out of the room.

(I kind of like it myself, though)
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:38 PM
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54. I LOVE that album!
People think they were ajoke band because of their version of "Money," but there's some great art-dub damage on that record.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 01:07 AM
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61. I love it too, my dog has other opinions
of course canines have much more acute hearing than humans.

Maybe there is some hidden ultrasonic art noise that only offends dogs
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 05:29 PM
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53. I don't have any that are unlistenable under..
that definition, but I do own some hard listens that I think are ok.

Bjork - Homogenic (got worse after that IMO)
Radiohead - Kid A
P.J. Harvey - Is This Desire?
Blur - 13
System Of A Down - Steal This Album! (their singing style is often an acquired taste)
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Squeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:30 PM
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56. Here's an obscurity
Leng T'che, by Naked City (John Zorn's band, with Bill Frisell, Wayne Horvitz, Fred Frith and Joey Baron).

I love the eponymous debut and Torture Garden, but Leng T'che is just a barbiturate metal nightmare: an endless, tedious, sluggish set of heavy chord changes. When Zorn starts squalling at about minute 25, it's a relief. Makes the Melvins sound like the Minutemen. Bloody awful.

I'm not scared of noise bands. At this point I think Metal Machine Music is actually kind of quaint. I've seen the Boredoms and C.C.C.C. and lived to tell about it. And I like Area (although I don't think I've heard the album you mention-- but on the other hand, have you heard the Demetrios Stratos solo album?).

Other records that I have trouble listening to:

Voice of America, improv by Fred Frith with trumpeter/extended vocalist Phil Minton, with Bob Ostertag running an interactive tape system.

A three CD set of improv, can't remember the title, by Derek Bailey and Pat Metheny, with their respective drummers.

Bill Laswell's first solo album, sounds like he mixed it in the bathtub.

And I have never liked Bitches Brew. There's a blasphemy for you.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:47 PM
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58. Hey!
John Zorn's "Cobra" was a little disconcerting for me, just because there was so much voice work on it...I'm used to his instrumental stuff that it was hard for me to digest at first.

"leng T'Che" sounds like this album I bought called "Your Son Died Laughing" by the band Power of Jism. Sluggish doesn't even begin to describe it...like burning molasses on your genitals and you're so high on 'ludes that you can't get up to pull it off. Godflesh only WISHES they were as heavy.

Demetrios Stratos put out a solo album? I'll have to look for that.

Yeah...even Area fans can't stand "Event '76." It makes their other work sound like the Starland Vocal Band in comparison. It's a fuckin' headache committed to vinyl (I like it.)

I dig your list, BTW. :hi: And I've never gotten as much from Bitches Brew that others say I should. It sounds muddy and indistict to me, half-formed, inchoate.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:56 PM
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59. You make Metal Machine Music sound mainstream by comparison
And no, I've never made it all the way through it. Five minutes did it for me.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 01:01 PM
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62. Reading Lester Bangs as a teenager made me want to find that album sooo ba
It wasn't until I was twenty-five that I was able to locate the vinyl. By then, it was pretty underwhelming, although in the context of the mid-70's, for a major label artist to make such a statement certainly must have been a turd in the punchbowl.
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